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+[Speaker 0]: Dictation.
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+[Speaker 1]: Right. All right I think we are live now.
+
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+The stream is here. So folks if you would
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+please post your questions on the pad and
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+we'll take them up here.
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+[Speaker 0]: Boy so I don't have myself set up with the
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+[Speaker 1]: Oh, I can read the questions to you if you
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+[Speaker 0]: pad. That would be fantastic.
+
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+Thank you.
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+[Speaker 1]: would prefer that. Sure.
+
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+Thanks.
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+[Speaker 0]: Well, for the purpose of breaking the ice a
+
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+little bit, I can provide a live
+
+00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:04.340
+demonstration of the use of this Voice In
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+plugin for Google Chrome.
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+So I have, let's see, say new sentence.
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+I'm on a website that is called 750 words.
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+It provides a text area where without any
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+other distracting icons for the purpose of
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+writing and I'm using it for the purpose of
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+capturing my words that I'm dictating and I
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+have enabled the Voice In plugin by hitting
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+the option L command. New sentence.
+
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+So it interpreted that command new sentence
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+even though I didn't pronounce it correctly,
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+which is a pretty good demonstration of its
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+accuracy. New sentence.
+
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+Oops, that didn't work.
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+Undo. New sentence. So new sentence is a
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+combination of 2 commands,
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+period and new line. So I've found it more
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+convenient just to say new sentence than
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+having to say period and new line.
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+You can see that it's able to keep up with
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+most of my speech, and it has to interpret
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+the sounds that I'm making and convert those
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+into words, so there's always going to be a
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+lag. New sentence. But I've found that I can
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+generate about 2,000, up to 2,000
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+words an hour as I gather my thoughts and
+
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+talk in my rather slow fashion of speaking.
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+New sentence, if you're a really fast
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+speaker, it might have trouble keeping up.
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+New sentence. I like to write When I'm using
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+the keyboard with 1 sentence per line,
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+so that when I copy my text and paste it into
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+Emacs, for example, I can resort the
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+sentences very easily by just selecting 1
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+line at a time. I like to keep the sentences
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+unwrapped in that fashion because that
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+greatly eases the rewriting phase.
+
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+And I'm almost have sort of a hybrid reverse
+
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+outlining approach by doing that.
+
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+New sentence. Looks like I have gotten ahead
+
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+of it a bit and it has not kept up.
+
+00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:22.060
+But generally, it does keep up pretty well.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: Nice. Thanks for the demo.
+
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+Let's see. I think we have.
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+Yeah, sorry.
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+[Speaker 0]: You're welcome. Go ahead.
+
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+You can see that it has this EN means English
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+and then dash US. There's actually about 40
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+languages that it supports,
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+including several variants of German and
+
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+about a dozen English dialects.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: Nice. Let's see, I think we have some
+
+00:05:06.860 --> 00:05:07.360
+comments and questions trickling in.
+
+00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:11.320
+So someone is saying that there is a text to
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+command application or utility called Clipia,
+
+00:05:19.395 --> 00:05:19.472
+C-L-I-P-I-A, that they think is awesome.
+
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+Clipia that they think is awesome.
+
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+And someone else is also saying that Sox,
+
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+S-O-X is another good alternative.
+
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+[Speaker 0]: I've not explored those yet.
+
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+So thank you very much for the suggestions.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: So I'll... I just dropped a link to the pad
+
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+page here in the chat and on the big blue
+
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+button if you'd like to open that up as well.
+
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+But I'll continue reading the comments and
+
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+questions. So the first question,
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+I guess, is that could you comment on how
+
+00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:02.080
+speaking versus typing affects your logic or
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+the content, quote unquote,
+
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+that you write?
+
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+[Speaker 0]: I find that this is like the difference
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+between writing your thoughts down on a blank
+
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+piece of printer paper versus paper bound
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+with a leather notebook.
+
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+I don't think there's any real difference.
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+I know that some people believe there is a
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+solid certain difference,
+
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+But this is for the purpose,
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+I'm using this for the purpose of generating
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+the first draft because my skills with using
+
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+my voice to edit my text is still not very
+
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+well developed. I'm still more efficient
+
+00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:49.620
+using the keyboard for that stage.
+
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+So the hardest part about writing generally
+
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+is getting the first crappy draft written.
+
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+And so I have found that dictation is
+
+00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:01.980
+perfectly fine for that phase.
+
+00:07:07.060 --> 00:07:07.200
+And I find it actually very conducive for
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+00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:09.980
+just getting the text out.
+
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+The biggest problem that most of us have is
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+applying our internal editor.
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+And that inhibits us from generating words in
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+a free-flowing fashion.
+
+00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:26.500
+So I generally do my generative writing.
+
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+So actually I divide my writing into 2
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+categories, generative writing,
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+generating the first crappy draft,
+
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+and then rewriting. Rewriting is probably 80,
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+90% of writing where you go back and rework
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+the order of the sentences,
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+order of paragraphs, the order of words in a
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+sentence and so forth.
+
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+The really hard work. That's best done later
+
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+in the day when I'm more awake.
+
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+I do my general writing first thing in the
+
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+morning when I feel horrible.
+
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+I'm not very alert. That's when my internal
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+00:08:03.340 --> 00:08:03.700
+editor is not very awake and I can get more
+
+00:08:05.760 --> 00:08:06.260
+words out, more words past that gatekeeper.
+
+00:08:09.280 --> 00:08:09.480
+And so I can do this sitting down,
+
+00:08:10.640 --> 00:08:10.920
+I can do this standing up,
+
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+I can do this 20 feet away from my computer
+
+00:08:15.440 --> 00:08:15.600
+looking out the window to give my eyes a
+
+00:08:19.540 --> 00:08:20.040
+break. So I find it's actually very enjoyable
+
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+to use it in this fashion.
+
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+And the downside is that I wind up generating
+
+00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:32.919
+3 times as much text, and that makes for 3
+
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+times as much work when it comes to rewriting
+
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+the text. And that means I'm using the
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+keyboard a lot later on in the day and I
+
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+haven't made any progress on recovering from
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+my own repetitive stress injury.
+
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+I hope that I will add the use of voice
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+commands, speech to commands,
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+for editing the text in the future.
+
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+And I'll eventually give my hands more of a
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+break.
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+[Speaker 1]: Right. Thanks. Yeah, that sounds like a nice
+
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+flow of sort of being able to get your words
+
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+out while your internal editor is still not
+
+00:09:21.220 --> 00:09:21.720
+inhibiting things. And then later in the day
+
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+or days, get back to the actual rewriting and
+
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+editing.
+
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+[Speaker 0]: Cool. So this allows you to actually separate
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+those 2 activities, not only by time.
+
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+So many professional writers will spend
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+several hours in the morning doing the
+
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+generative part and then they'll spend the
+
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+rest of the day rewriting.
+
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+So they have separated those 2 activities
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+temporally. What most people actually do is,
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+you know, they do the generative part and
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+then they write 1 sentence and they apply
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+that internal editor right away because they
+
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+want to write the first draft in a perfect,
+
+00:10:02.400 --> 00:10:02.560
+as a perfect version as the final draft And
+
+00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:04.340
+that slows them down dramatically.
+
+00:10:08.160 --> 00:10:08.400
+But this also allows you to separate these 2
+
+00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:10.820
+activities in terms of modality.
+
+00:10:13.940 --> 00:10:14.120
+You're going to do the generative writing by
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+00:10:16.560 --> 00:10:17.060
+voice and the rewriting by keyboard.
+
+00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:22.480
+So I think this is 1 way that many people can
+
+00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:26.540
+get into using speech to text in a productive
+
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+way.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: Nice. Yeah, that sounds great.
+
+00:10:33.940 --> 00:10:34.200
+Let's see. I think we have about 3 or 4
+
+00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:37.960
+minutes live. So I think we have time for at
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+00:10:38.560 --> 00:10:39.060
+least another question.
+
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+Have you tried the chat GPT voice chat
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+00:10:44.540 --> 00:10:44.760
+interface? And if so, how has been your
+
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+experience of it? As someone experienced with
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+00:10:48.640 --> 00:10:48.860
+voice control, interested to hear your
+
+00:10:51.940 --> 00:10:52.180
+thoughts, performance relative to the free
+
+00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:53.460
+software tools in particular?
+
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+[Speaker 0]: I don't have much experience with that
+
+00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:01.500
+particular software. I have used Whisper a
+
+00:11:03.400 --> 00:11:03.900
+little bit. And so that's related.
+
+00:11:10.260 --> 00:11:10.460
+And of course you have this problem of lag so
+
+00:11:12.800 --> 00:11:13.300
+I find that it's a whisper is good for
+
+00:11:16.380 --> 00:11:16.560
+spitting out a sentence you know maybe for a
+
+00:11:20.160 --> 00:11:20.660
+doc string in a programming file.
+
+00:11:26.060 --> 00:11:26.260
+But I find that it's very prone to
+
+00:11:30.060 --> 00:11:30.300
+hallucinations. And I find myself spending
+
+00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:33.220
+half my time deleting the hallucinations,
+
+00:11:38.700 --> 00:11:38.860
+I feel like the net gain is diminished as a
+
+00:11:41.580 --> 00:11:41.720
+result. There's not much of a net gain in
+
+00:11:43.340 --> 00:11:43.820
+terms of what I'm getting out of it.
+
+00:11:45.800 --> 00:11:45.980
+Whereas I really appreciate the high level of
+
+00:11:48.780 --> 00:11:49.280
+accuracy that I'm getting from voice-in.
+
+00:11:53.400 --> 00:11:53.900
+I would use Talon Voice for dictation,
+
+00:11:56.680 --> 00:11:57.180
+but at this point, there's a significant
+
+00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:00.740
+difference between the level of accuracy of
+
+00:12:02.040 --> 00:12:02.540
+voice-in versus Talon voice.
+
+00:12:06.260 --> 00:12:06.560
+It's large enough of a difference that I'll
+
+00:12:08.860 --> 00:12:09.020
+probably use voice-in for a while until I can
+
+00:12:12.700 --> 00:12:13.140
+figure out how to get town voice to generate
+
+00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:15.580
+more accurate text.
+
+00:12:25.400 --> 00:12:25.680
+[Speaker 1]: Cool. Thank you. I think we have at least
+
+00:12:26.580 --> 00:12:26.940
+another 2 or 3 minutes.
+
+00:12:29.100 --> 00:12:29.380
+So if folks have any other questions Please
+
+00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:31.400
+feel free to post them on the pad and I'll
+
+00:12:32.560 --> 00:12:33.060
+check IRC now as well.
+
+00:12:44.340 --> 00:12:44.840
+Right, so I see 1 question on IRC asking,
+
+00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:47.360
+Are any of these voice command slash
+
+00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:50.100
+dictating dictation tools free Libre
+
+00:12:52.260 --> 00:12:52.760
+software? They cannot find that information
+
+00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:55.080
+Which I think is part of it.
+
+00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:55.820
+You just mentioned
+
+00:12:57.280 --> 00:12:57.780
+[Speaker 0]: the voice in software.
+
+00:13:03.260 --> 00:13:03.760
+There's It's a freemium so The answer is no
+
+00:13:05.640 --> 00:13:06.140
+To be able to add the commands,
+
+00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:09.160
+the custom commands, you have to pay $48 a
+
+00:13:12.040 --> 00:13:12.540
+year. The Talon Voice software is free.
+
+00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:20.320
+And the only limitation there is access to
+
+00:13:23.560 --> 00:13:23.820
+the language model. If you want to get the
+
+00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:26.880
+beta version, you need to subscribe to
+
+00:13:30.820 --> 00:13:31.320
+Patreon to help support the developer.
+
+00:13:36.180 --> 00:13:36.460
+And I found, I did do that and I really
+
+00:13:37.400 --> 00:13:37.900
+didn't find much of an improvement.
+
+00:13:43.620 --> 00:13:43.780
+So I really don't intend to do that in the
+
+00:13:47.100 --> 00:13:47.600
+future. But otherwise,
+
+00:13:50.680 --> 00:13:51.180
+Town Voice, everything is open and free,
+
+00:13:54.380 --> 00:13:54.880
+and the Slack community is incredibly
+
+00:13:58.340 --> 00:13:58.820
+welcoming. The parallels with the Emacs
+
+00:14:00.060 --> 00:14:00.560
+community are pretty striking.
+
+00:14:09.520 --> 00:14:09.720
+[Speaker 1]: Excellent, thank you. Okay,
+
+00:14:11.800 --> 00:14:11.980
+I think we have about another minute on the
+
+00:14:13.780 --> 00:14:13.980
+live stream, but I believe the big blue
+
+00:14:16.560 --> 00:14:16.920
+button room here is open and will be open,
+
+00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:20.340
+So if folks want to join,
+
+00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:22.120
+if Blaine maybe has a couple of extra
+
+00:14:24.680 --> 00:14:24.840
+minutes. Awesome. Yeah,
+
+00:14:26.580 --> 00:14:26.760
+then you're welcome to join and chat with
+
+00:14:28.980 --> 00:14:29.480
+Blaine and ask any further questions or just
+
+00:14:30.060 --> 00:14:30.560
+do general chatting. Chatting.
+
+00:14:44.020 --> 00:14:44.380
+[Speaker 0]: So I see a question. How good is Talon
+
+00:14:53.040 --> 00:14:53.520
+compared to Whisper? So with Talon,
+
+00:14:55.380 --> 00:14:55.880
+I find that the first part of the sentence
+
+00:15:00.620 --> 00:15:00.820
+will be fairly accurate and then when I'm
+
+00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:03.980
+doing dictation And then towards the end,
+
+00:15:05.640 --> 00:15:06.140
+the errors start to accumulate.
+
+00:15:09.520 --> 00:15:09.720
+So in general, I think it's error rate is
+
+00:15:12.880 --> 00:15:13.100
+about 5 words out of a hundred or so will be
+
+00:15:17.560 --> 00:15:18.040
+wrong. And whisper, Whisper is wonderful
+
+00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:21.500
+because it will insert punctuation for you.
+
+00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:26.320
+But I guess its errors are longer and that
+
+00:15:28.740 --> 00:15:29.240
+it'll hallucinate full sentences for you.
+
+00:15:35.460 --> 00:15:35.960
+So they both have significant error rates.
+
+00:15:37.280 --> 00:15:37.780
+They're just different kinds of errors.
+
+00:15:42.340 --> 00:15:42.840
+[Speaker 1]: Interesting.
+
+00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:49.500
+[Speaker 0]: Hopefully both will improve over time.
+
+00:15:50.740 --> 00:15:51.240
+Right.
+
+00:16:04.620 --> 00:16:05.120
+Let's see. There's a question.
+
+00:16:09.060 --> 00:16:09.560
+Are the green block the author for this talk?
+
+00:16:13.380 --> 00:16:13.880
+Not sure what that question means.
+
+00:16:19.180 --> 00:16:19.300
+[Speaker 1]: Well, there is a green block of text that's I
+
+00:16:22.540 --> 00:16:23.040
+think being generated from voice to text,
+
+00:16:25.560 --> 00:16:25.680
+speech to text. At the top of the pad,
+
+00:16:26.500 --> 00:16:27.000
+I think that's the question.
+
+00:16:40.060 --> 00:16:40.280
+[Speaker 0]: So I have this Voicens software operating on
+
+00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:43.580
+this GitHub, on this 750words.com
+
+00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:52.120
+site where I do my generative writing at the
+
+00:16:57.340 --> 00:16:57.720
+start of the day. And it just provides a text
+
+00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:00.100
+area that's free of distractions.
+
+00:17:03.220 --> 00:17:03.480
+And you can see the text that's being
+
+00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:08.540
+recorded as I talk. I haven't been saying the
+
+00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:12.700
+command new sentence, so there isn't any
+
+00:17:15.980 --> 00:17:16.480
+punctuation over our discourse.
+
+00:17:24.380 --> 00:17:24.880
+1 thing that I do at the start of the day is
+
+00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:27.940
+I like to write in LaTeX.
+
+00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:34.100
+Ultimately, that's how I store my writing.
+
+00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:38.000
+So new sentence, new sentence.
+
+00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:52.180
+See, insert start day.
+
+00:17:58.960 --> 00:17:59.460
+So This is an example of a chunk of LaTeX
+
+00:18:02.620 --> 00:18:03.120
+code. So I have some reflections on,
+
+00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:04.920
+you know, what did I wake up this morning?
+
+00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:08.160
+And how do I feel? I have reflections on the
+
+00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:10.840
+prior day in terms of what did I get done
+
+00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:12.440
+yesterday? Do I remember what I did
+
+00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:14.640
+yesterday? What happened last night?
+
+00:18:16.940 --> 00:18:17.440
+Focus of today. What's to be done today?
+
+00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:23.680
+And so on. So I actually,
+
+00:18:24.840 --> 00:18:25.340
+I think I have more down here.
+
+00:18:31.420 --> 00:18:31.680
+Then I've set up these lists so that I can
+
+00:18:33.760 --> 00:18:34.260
+expand them easily. If I say item,
+
+00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:40.900
+then the cursor shows up at the start of an
+
+00:18:45.600 --> 00:18:46.100
+item. And I have it coded so that that new
+
+00:18:48.700 --> 00:18:49.200
+phrase that I speak will start with a capital
+
+00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:52.980
+letter. As you can see,
+
+00:18:54.520 --> 00:18:55.020
+so capitalize the word and.
+
+00:19:02.860 --> 00:19:03.360
+So in spite of its rather limited command
+
+00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:06.380
+syntax, There's some, it's enough to get
+
+00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:08.400
+started and maybe in the future,
+
+00:19:09.360 --> 00:19:09.860
+they'll add more features.
+
+00:19:14.540 --> 00:19:15.040
+[Speaker 1]: Cool, that's neat.
+
+00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:21.940
+[Speaker 0]: So I think this is very helpful for,
+
+00:19:28.840 --> 00:19:29.040
+you know, doing things like expanding the
+
+00:19:32.780 --> 00:19:32.980
+names of people. So you can do set up
+
+00:19:36.100 --> 00:19:36.600
+commands like expand the name of a colleague
+
+00:19:40.520 --> 00:19:40.800
+to go from their first name to their full
+
+00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:43.260
+name with a proper spelling of their last
+
+00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:45.360
+name, which, you know,
+
+00:19:47.420 --> 00:19:47.640
+you can wind up spending a lot of time trying
+
+00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:53.640
+to look that up. And so this voice in with
+
+00:19:57.560 --> 00:19:57.880
+the custom commands enables you to store hard
+
+00:19:59.540 --> 00:20:00.040
+to remember information like that.
+
+00:20:08.040 --> 00:20:08.540
+[Speaker 1]: Great. I see another question.
+
+00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:11.580
+How good is Talon compared to Whisper?
+
+00:20:13.140 --> 00:20:13.480
+I think you might have answered that already,
+
+00:20:14.380 --> 00:20:14.880
+at least partially, but...
+
+00:20:19.860 --> 00:20:20.080
+[Speaker 0]: Right, yeah. I talked about how it seems that
+
+00:20:22.580 --> 00:20:23.080
+Whisperer will carry out hallucinations,
+
+00:20:26.280 --> 00:20:26.780
+so it will generate long tracks of error,
+
+00:20:30.340 --> 00:20:30.580
+whereas Talon will tend to generate more
+
+00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:32.460
+errors towards the ends of sentences,
+
+00:20:36.820 --> 00:20:36.960
+in my experience. And the errors are
+
+00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:38.460
+generally shorter in extent.
+
+00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:42.680
+It doesn't hallucinate for long tracks.
+
+00:20:50.660 --> 00:20:51.040
+[Speaker 1]: Great. Okay, I think that's all the questions
+
+00:20:51.760 --> 00:20:52.260
+that we have on the pad.
+
+00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:55.020
+If folks want to join here on Big Blue Button
+
+00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:57.180
+for a few minutes and chat with Blaine,
+
+00:21:00.260 --> 00:21:00.480
+that also works. Let's see,
+
+00:21:02.080 --> 00:21:02.240
+I'm probably going to have to drop in a few
+
+00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:04.400
+minutes to catch the next speaker.
+
+00:21:07.860 --> 00:21:08.100
+But many thanks, Blaine,
+
+00:21:09.520 --> 00:21:09.900
+for a great talk and for the interesting
+
+00:21:11.180 --> 00:21:11.680
+demos and the question and answer.
+
+00:21:14.700 --> 00:21:15.200
+[Speaker 0]: Thank you very much for hosting this.
+
+00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:17.140
+[Speaker 1]: I appreciate it. glad to have you.
+
+00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:25.960
+[Speaker 0]: Cheers, Yeah, this is really amazing to hold
+
+00:21:28.740 --> 00:21:29.020
+this conference with people from all around
+
+00:21:34.660 --> 00:21:34.940
+the world connected together through web
+
+00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:35.440
+browsers.
+
+00:21:41.020 --> 00:21:41.260
+[Speaker 1]: Yeah, it's very neat what technology can do
+
+00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:42.900
+if and when it's working correctly.
+
+00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:47.860
+[Speaker 0]: I know it can be a little frustrating at
+
+00:21:48.760 --> 00:21:49.120
+times, but when it's working,
+
+00:21:54.740 --> 00:21:55.240
+it's wonderful. Yep.
+
+NOTE Start of section to review
+
+00:21:59.540 --> 00:21:59.700
+[Speaker 2]: Good purpose of computers is all the
+
+00:22:01.100 --> 00:22:01.600
+computers run the same code,
+
+00:22:03.460 --> 00:22:03.860
+so that people, you know,
+
+00:22:05.740 --> 00:22:06.240
+a lot of people work on the same thing and
+
+00:22:08.360 --> 00:22:08.860
+build upon each other's works.
+
+00:22:16.460 --> 00:22:16.960
+For journaling I found 1 good compromise
+
+00:22:18.204 --> 00:22:18.428
+between editing and stream-of-thought
+
+00:22:19.548 --> 00:22:19.772
+journaling. 1 good compromise between editing
+
+00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:21.180
+and stream of thought journaling.
+
+00:22:23.940 --> 00:22:24.120
+1 good compromise between editing and being
+
+00:22:26.980 --> 00:22:27.480
+able to do it again and just kind of helps me
+
+00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:31.320
+do my thoughts even when I do it is when you
+
+00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:33.340
+do org mode and you have the bullets it kind
+
+00:22:35.280 --> 00:22:35.680
+of allows you to naturally chart your
+
+00:22:38.800 --> 00:22:39.300
+thoughts in a way that's really easy to edit
+
+00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:42.380
+reorder I saw you kind of did that with your
+
+00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:47.280
+mac la tech macro where you said item and it
+
+00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:49.180
+would put you down to the next item.
+
+00:22:56.500 --> 00:22:57.000
+Does... How much do you do stuff like that?
+
+00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:01.000
+How much do you do stuff like that where you
+
+00:23:04.700 --> 00:23:05.200
+use like org mode headings and then you
+
+00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:07.200
+reorder them because like I did that with
+
+00:23:10.080 --> 00:23:10.460
+also the K outline from HyperBolt package for
+
+00:23:15.140 --> 00:23:15.420
+the for Emacs org mode later on after the
+
+00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:22.060
+[Speaker 0]: stream. Yes. So I could actually set this up
+
+00:23:26.800 --> 00:23:27.300
+so I have a lot of snippets for Org Mode.
+
+00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.160
+I could have Org Mode version of my insert
+
+00:23:34.600 --> 00:23:34.780
+start day snippet and carry things out in org
+
+00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:40.420
+mode. So I use org mode from time to time.
+
+00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:43.980
+I often use it for the purpose of writing
+
+00:23:47.780 --> 00:23:48.060
+readme files for projects to outline the
+
+00:23:48.700 --> 00:23:49.200
+purpose of the project,
+
+00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:55.320
+and say for a director that contains a coding
+
+00:24:01.620 --> 00:24:02.120
+project. And I think this would,
+
+00:24:07.300 --> 00:24:07.700
+so the main limitation of VoiceIn is it only
+
+00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:10.760
+works in a web page and you have to have an
+
+00:24:14.180 --> 00:24:14.640
+Internet connection, whereas Talon voice is
+
+00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:17.720
+perfect for something like org mode in that
+
+00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:20.460
+you don't need an internet connection and it
+
+00:24:22.940 --> 00:24:23.100
+will operate anywhere that you can place a
+
+00:24:24.840 --> 00:24:24.960
+cursor. I haven't found a place where it
+
+00:24:26.760 --> 00:24:27.260
+doesn't work. It's amazing.
+
+00:24:28.860 --> 00:24:29.360
+So as you saw my talk,
+
+00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:35.560
+perhaps You can run it in a terminal or a
+
+00:24:38.320 --> 00:24:38.760
+remote computer. You can run it in a virtual
+
+00:24:44.120 --> 00:24:44.380
+[Speaker 2]: Oh yeah, it's definitely.
+
+00:24:45.760 --> 00:24:46.260
+[Speaker 0]: machine. If you can put your cursor there,
+
+00:24:50.820 --> 00:24:51.320
+it will work. And so as you might imagine,
+
+00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:53.220
+if you use bash aliases,
+
+00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:56.200
+I've worked for, 1 of the first things I did
+
+00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:00.920
+was map Talend commands to bash aliases so
+
+00:25:02.800 --> 00:25:03.300
+that I can do all kinds of crazy things
+
+00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:04.700
+inside of the terminal.
+
+00:25:12.040 --> 00:25:12.260
+And there are, you know,
+
+00:25:15.260 --> 00:25:15.660
+there's some support already for using Talon
+
+00:25:20.280 --> 00:25:20.780
+in Emacs. There's some Emacs functionality
+
+00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:22.460
+that's built into Talon.
+
+00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:25.660
+So when you are in Emacs,
+
+00:25:27.100 --> 00:25:27.600
+there's some features that are automatically
+
+00:25:30.520 --> 00:25:31.020
+available. And then others have developed or
+
+00:25:32.320 --> 00:25:32.820
+are developing packages,
+
+00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:35.080
+which I don't think are available yet in
+
+00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:40.680
+ELPA. There's 1 that does the font locking or
+
+00:25:42.780 --> 00:25:43.280
+syntax highlighting of Talon files,
+
+00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:46.720
+and another that adds some additional
+
+00:25:50.380 --> 00:25:50.880
+functionality that I'm regrettably not yet
+
+00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:51.940
+familiar with.
+
+00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:55.940
+[Speaker 2]: Well, as an example with like how the
+
+00:25:56.760 --> 00:25:57.100
+sharding of the thoughts,
+
+00:25:59.800 --> 00:26:00.140
+like let's say, oh, how has my day went?
+
+00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:03.080
+It's went good for reasons 123,
+
+00:26:04.860 --> 00:26:05.740
+and bad for reasons ABC.
+
+00:26:07.828 --> 00:26:07.872
+And then later on, I might think,
+
+00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:08.860
+oh, there's an, I also,
+
+00:26:10.520 --> 00:26:11.780
+my day went good for reasons 456,
+
+00:26:14.540 --> 00:26:14.880
+then you, I can, then you jump up.
+
+00:26:18.520 --> 00:26:18.820
+And so the, like I found like,
+
+00:26:19.760 --> 00:26:20.260
+yeah, the org mode subheadings,
+
+00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:22.480
+because you're able to jump around,
+
+00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:25.540
+easily reorder them after the fact,
+
+00:26:32.520 --> 00:26:32.860
+the very streamlined approach to the stream
+
+00:26:33.620 --> 00:26:34.120
+of thought and the editing.
+
+00:26:38.800 --> 00:26:39.300
+[Speaker 0]: That's right, extremely powerful.
+
+00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:41.500
+[Speaker 2]: And even with the stream of thought,
+
+00:26:44.060 --> 00:26:44.480
+just because like, even when you're editing
+
+00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:45.380
+that in real time, like,
+
+00:26:47.320 --> 00:26:47.800
+oh, wait a minute, I thought of another
+
+00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:49.200
+reason that my day went good,
+
+00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:50.820
+even though I was talking about how it was
+
+00:26:52.760 --> 00:26:53.260
+going bad now. So you jump up.
+
+00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:56.180
+And then you do that. And then you have it.
+
+00:26:59.540 --> 00:27:00.040
+You easily summarize your thoughts and
+
+00:27:00.060 --> 00:27:00.560
+whatnot.
+
+00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:07.600
+[Speaker 0]: That's right. And I think org mode is really
+
+00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:12.180
+ideal for that kind of interact.
+
+00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:15.480
+So yeah, I see your point in terms of that
+
+00:27:18.760 --> 00:27:19.260
+sort of a blend of generative writing and
+
+00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:23.940
+editing. And it's also kind of parallel to
+
+00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:27.660
+mind mapping. I use this mind mapping
+
+00:27:32.660 --> 00:27:33.160
+software called iThoughtsX where I'll
+
+00:27:36.760 --> 00:27:37.260
+generate all these children items,
+
+00:27:40.040 --> 00:27:40.540
+and then I'll drag them around and resort
+
+00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:47.180
+them. And they can have children of their own
+
+00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:49.400
+and grandchildren and so on,
+
+00:27:50.800 --> 00:27:51.300
+in terms of the levels of the nodes.
+
+00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:55.240
+And it's pretty much the same sort of thing
+
+00:27:57.560 --> 00:27:57.960
+with a nested hierarchy that you can have
+
+00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:03.040
+with org mode. I think having several
+
+00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:10.120
+alternate modes or modalities of playing with
+
+00:28:13.100 --> 00:28:13.300
+thoughts is useful. So sometimes I'll hit a
+
+00:28:17.180 --> 00:28:17.680
+wall and we're just not really generating
+
+00:28:21.260 --> 00:28:21.760
+anything in a text mode.
+
+00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:25.500
+But if I switch to using the mind mapping,
+
+00:28:30.040 --> 00:28:30.420
+just seeing it arranged with the connecting
+
+00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:35.280
+lines plays on a different part of the brain,
+
+00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:38.140
+I think, and it can be incredibly
+
+00:28:40.600 --> 00:28:40.800
+stimulatory. It can stimulate a lot of new
+
+00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:43.780
+[Speaker 2]: That's something that I haven't messed around
+
+00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:45.900
+too much with is the mind mapping software,
+
+00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:46.480
+but...
+
+00:28:51.600 --> 00:28:51.760
+[Speaker 0]: thoughts. Because the closest thing that we
+
+00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:56.600
+have to it in Emacs is Orgrimm in the in
+
+00:29:00.860 --> 00:29:01.360
+terms of like the 3D visualization of with
+
+00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.220
+Orgrimm GUI or
+
+00:29:10.120 --> 00:29:10.620
+[Speaker 2]: UI. As well as being able to generate SVG
+
+00:29:12.800 --> 00:29:13.100
+diagrams and stuff like that,
+
+00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:17.260
+I think those 2 things would allow you stuff
+
+00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:20.740
+like Orgrimm or denote And then the diagrams
+
+00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:23.300
+would be the good ways of doing that in
+
+00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:25.600
+Emacs, but they don't have the mind map
+
+00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:27.660
+programs as well.
+
+00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:30.640
+[Speaker 0]: They're not as well developed.
+
+00:29:32.740 --> 00:29:33.240
+There are a couple mind mapping packages,
+
+00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:37.700
+but they're not as advanced.
+
+00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:42.180
+[Speaker 2]: The best ones were JavaScript web page that
+
+00:29:43.840 --> 00:29:44.340
+it that Emacs interacted with.
+
+00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:46.680
+Very well. And so they kind of,
+
+00:29:49.120 --> 00:29:49.620
+you know, worked around and had a little.
+
+00:29:51.620 --> 00:29:51.820
+Integration with the 2.
+
+00:29:53.420 --> 00:29:53.920
+So when you be jumping around your.
+
+00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:56.380
+When you'd be clicking on the web page it
+
+00:29:59.300 --> 00:29:59.480
+would be pointing you to different places and
+
+00:30:07.060 --> 00:30:07.400
+buffers okay like those are those the There's
+
+00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:11.680
+an like org-roam node program where it kind
+
+00:30:13.360 --> 00:30:13.860
+of shows the looks like a mind map.
+
+00:30:17.820 --> 00:30:18.040
+You can click and drag them a little bit,
+
+00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:19.180
+so it's a little interactive.
+
+00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:28.480
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I'm not familiar with that.
+
+00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:30.660
+I'll have to look into that.
+
+00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:32.740
+That sounds very interesting.
+
+00:30:36.820 --> 00:30:37.200
+[Speaker 2]: I found that I didn't know better,
+
+00:30:38.560 --> 00:30:39.060
+though, than Org-ROM, so it doesn't.
+
+00:30:43.320 --> 00:30:43.820
+[Speaker 0]: Why is that?
+
+00:30:47.080 --> 00:30:47.580
+[Speaker 2]: Well, 1 of the things I'm,
+
+00:30:51.600 --> 00:30:51.760
+I want to be able to, I don't like the
+
+00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:53.700
+feeling of being trapped inside org-mode
+
+00:30:56.040 --> 00:30:56.540
+documents. Like I want to be able to write,
+
+00:30:58.940 --> 00:30:59.060
+even though I don't really use Markdown and I
+
+00:31:00.800 --> 00:31:01.020
+like org-mode better than that.
+
+00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:03.220
+Like for instance, I also use the Koutline
+
+00:31:04.280 --> 00:31:04.780
+from the Hyperbole package.
+
+00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:08.360
+That's what my I got a talk on the stream of
+
+00:31:12.620 --> 00:31:12.700
+thought journaling for with Koutline and I
+
+00:31:14.060 --> 00:31:14.160
+was like, I just don't like the feeling of
+
+00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:18.700
+being tracked in 1 document and denote has
+
+00:31:21.300 --> 00:31:21.800
+the ability to it renames the file so you get
+
+00:31:26.020 --> 00:31:26.520
+keywords in like a PDF file so you can take
+
+00:31:28.100 --> 00:31:28.380
+so you can link to that with your notes
+
+00:31:30.540 --> 00:31:30.700
+without it all disappearing because it's not
+
+00:31:36.340 --> 00:31:36.440
+an org mode document. Plus the ability of
+
+00:31:38.520 --> 00:31:38.940
+having it run on multiple computers or with
+
+00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:43.160
+multiple people, the database kind of gets
+
+00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:46.720
+screwed up when you try running it under sync
+
+00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:51.000
+thing. Sync. More fragile.
+
+00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:56.500
+[Speaker 0]: Very interesting. Yeah.
+
+00:32:03.260 --> 00:32:03.680
+How far are you? So are you a regular
+
+00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:06.980
+practitioner of the Zettelkasten approach?
+
+00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:12.680
+[Speaker 2]: Trying to be. Incrementally improving it.
+
+00:32:16.780 --> 00:32:16.980
+I partly work too much like testing out the
+
+00:32:20.760 --> 00:32:21.000
+org-roam versus the notes to use it too much.
+
+00:32:23.300 --> 00:32:23.500
+So part of it is I just tweak with it too
+
+00:32:24.800 --> 00:32:25.300
+much before using it and then.
+
+00:32:28.740 --> 00:32:29.240
+[Speaker 0]: Oh, it's so fun to tweak it.
+
+00:32:32.580 --> 00:32:32.840
+[Speaker 2]: I think mostly it's as I have these tools,
+
+00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:34.140
+I know where they are.
+
+00:32:35.760 --> 00:32:35.980
+So whenever I do need them,
+
+00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:38.180
+I can use them, even though I don't always
+
+00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:38.940
+use them.
+
+00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:43.940
+[Speaker 0]: So I have about a thousand notes in my org
+
+00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:48.040
+room. Zettelkasten. I've actually,
+
+00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:50.320
+it's kind of cool that you can export it and
+
+00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:51.960
+move it into other programs.
+
+00:32:56.320 --> 00:32:56.520
+I have moved it to Obsidian and played with
+
+00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.180
+it in Obsidian for a while,
+
+00:32:59.820 --> 00:33:00.320
+maybe added to it in Obsidian,
+
+00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:01.980
+moved it back to Orgrim.
+
+00:33:07.080 --> 00:33:07.580
+But I'm not convinced.
+
+00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:11.180
+I mean, that I think that Nicholas Luhmann
+
+00:33:13.360 --> 00:33:13.700
+was very successful with it because he spent
+
+00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:16.420
+5 hours a day or whatever working with it.
+
+00:33:18.560 --> 00:33:19.060
+And I think I would have to do,
+
+00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:21.600
+put in a similar amount of effort to get this
+
+00:33:23.600 --> 00:33:24.100
+kind of benefits that he gained from it.
+
+00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:26.980
+I'm waiting for somebody to do a scientific
+
+00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:29.700
+study, controlled trials to see,
+
+00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:32.220
+to prove whether there's a real benefit.
+
+00:33:37.900 --> 00:33:38.400
+[Speaker 2]: Oh, yeah. So with the Zettelkasten,
+
+00:33:41.120 --> 00:33:41.320
+one of the things where you have the 1 for the
+
+00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:42.680
+sections, and then the 1.1,
+
+00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:47.480
+or you know how the notes that it does that's
+
+00:33:48.740 --> 00:33:49.240
+different. The denote,
+
+00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:53.380
+it has the ability to use a hierarchy manage,
+
+00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:55.640
+which Org-ROM does everything it can to
+
+00:33:57.380 --> 00:33:57.560
+eliminate. But you can use them both in
+
+00:33:59.140 --> 00:33:59.640
+tandem. They call it signatures.
+
+00:34:04.820 --> 00:34:05.160
+And to me, 1 of the cool features of denote
+
+00:34:06.820 --> 00:34:07.120
+would be being able to use like the
+
+00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:10.280
+signatures for the things that make sense.
+
+00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:13.860
+Like 1 of the ideas is if you don't exactly
+
+00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:15.100
+know where this is, but you know,
+
+00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:16.239
+it goes to the section,
+
+00:34:17.060 --> 00:34:17.560
+you can just use the signature.
+
+00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:20.080
+Maybe don't even have too much of a file
+
+00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:23.179
+name. Like oh, this is just another thought
+
+00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:28.420
+on, well you wouldn't use it for this,
+
+00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:30.719
+but like my day went good for reasons 1,
+
+00:34:33.040 --> 00:34:33.380
+2, 3, 4, 5, and you could just use the denote
+
+00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:34.920
+signature to do 1, 2, 3,
+
+00:34:37.659 --> 00:34:37.800
+4, 5, just as you have new ideas on like a
+
+00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:42.040
+subject, or like cars are cars are not this
+
+00:34:43.659 --> 00:34:44.580
+car is nice because of reasons XYZ,
+
+00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:47.219
+or these types of four-wheelers are nice
+
+00:34:48.940 --> 00:34:49.080
+because of XYZ. And you could just keep on
+
+00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:50.980
+doing that rather than having to get a new
+
+00:34:52.120 --> 00:34:52.620
+name for each 1 of those files.
+
+00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:55.520
+Or you could choose not to have it,
+
+00:34:57.780 --> 00:34:58.280
+but the ability to have it optionally in,
+
+00:35:01.020 --> 00:35:01.520
+to me, sounds like a really nice combo.
+
+00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:03.200
+Because then you
+
+00:35:06.140 --> 00:35:06.420
+[Speaker 0]: could read. I agree. Yeah,
+
+00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:09.020
+I've actually imposed a hierarchy in my
+
+00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:10.820
+Zettelkasten and Orgrim.
+
+00:35:17.680 --> 00:35:18.180
+I just, I can't imagine having random ideas.
+
+00:35:21.200 --> 00:35:21.700
+They need some kind of structure.
+
+00:35:27.500 --> 00:35:27.840
+Always have some kind of parent node to
+
+00:35:28.420 --> 00:35:28.920
+attach them to.
+
+00:35:32.740 --> 00:35:32.960
+[Speaker 2]: With the workflow I'm trying to develop with
+
+00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:34.840
+it, part of it is I'm just trying to optimize
+
+00:35:36.820 --> 00:35:37.080
+the workflow before it feels really,
+
+00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:38.560
+really, really good, and I don't want to
+
+00:35:39.720 --> 00:35:40.220
+tweak with it, or I don't know.
+
+00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:42.980
+Or maybe I don't always need the tool,
+
+00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:46.020
+but some of the distinctions it seems like
+
+00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:52.580
+that I want is, I want a daily journal For
+
+00:35:53.100 --> 00:35:53.600
+your stream of thoughts,
+
+00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:56.480
+then I want a separate 1 for your to do list
+
+00:35:57.980 --> 00:35:58.480
+because what you like.
+
+00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:01.440
+You want very different properties for each
+
+00:36:03.040 --> 00:36:03.540
+of those. Like for to-do lists,
+
+00:36:04.820 --> 00:36:05.320
+you want hierarchical,
+
+00:36:11.260 --> 00:36:11.760
+limited. But if you have more than 3 priority
+
+00:36:13.660 --> 00:36:13.820
+items, you don't have a priority item and
+
+00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:15.040
+it's not a good to-do list.
+
+00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:18.980
+It's just unordered thoughts.
+
+00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:23.680
+[Speaker 0]: it's a wishful list, because you won't get
+
+00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.500
+most of those things done beyond the first 3.
+
+00:36:28.180 --> 00:36:28.380
+[Speaker 2]: You're trying to- So And then when you're
+
+00:36:30.600 --> 00:36:31.100
+trying to do the other stuff,
+
+00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:32.480
+the stream of thoughts,
+
+00:36:34.640 --> 00:36:35.080
+all that stuff I probably don't want to go
+
+00:36:36.720 --> 00:36:36.900
+straight into like my Zettelkasten because
+
+00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:37.940
+some of those problems,
+
+00:36:42.660 --> 00:36:43.160
+like it's noisy, it might be redundant,
+
+00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:45.520
+you don't know how it fits into it because
+
+00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:47.080
+you haven't done that processing on it.
+
+00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:48.460
+This hasn't been refined.
+
+00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:53.140
+So, like, you don't want to refine it.
+
+00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:55.320
+Like, I find that spell checking is
+
+00:36:56.680 --> 00:36:56.920
+detrimental to me. I don't want spell
+
+00:36:58.520 --> 00:36:58.840
+checking. I don't want spell checking.
+
+00:37:00.200 --> 00:37:00.600
+I don't want syntax highlighting.
+
+00:37:04.040 --> 00:37:04.540
+I just want to talk or to just write.
+
+00:37:07.020 --> 00:37:07.520
+If I have mistakes, I can turn on that later,
+
+00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:09.220
+do it. Because otherwise,
+
+00:37:13.340 --> 00:37:13.740
+it will distract me and makes that process
+
+00:37:20.140 --> 00:37:20.280
+[Speaker 0]: Yep, yep, definitely interferes with the
+
+00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:20.780
+flow.
+
+00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:25.080
+[Speaker 2]: worse. So yeah, when you're so yeah when
+
+00:37:28.080 --> 00:37:28.440
+you're doing the getting things done like
+
+00:37:30.040 --> 00:37:30.240
+that's why I want them would be want would
+
+00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:32.600
+want them in separate files is that you want
+
+00:37:34.160 --> 00:37:34.660
+them like ordered, numbered lists,
+
+00:37:38.980 --> 00:37:39.480
+smaller. And then with the other,
+
+00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:40.800
+with the stream of thought,
+
+00:37:42.340 --> 00:37:42.840
+with journaling, you'd want it just
+
+00:37:45.240 --> 00:37:45.740
+unordered. Thoughts land wherever they may.
+
+00:37:49.140 --> 00:37:49.640
+Maybe not even like machine-generated
+
+00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:51.660
+timestamps, So you don't even have to worry
+
+00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:52.940
+about the names of it,
+
+00:37:55.080 --> 00:37:55.380
+as an example. So yeah,
+
+00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:57.160
+very different properties for what you want
+
+00:37:58.260 --> 00:37:58.760
+for both of those modalities.
+
+00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:06.440
+[Speaker 0]: So you saw, perhaps, in that snippet that I
+
+00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:08.360
+had that at, you know,
+
+00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:10.580
+working on my to-do list at the start of the
+
+00:38:13.080 --> 00:38:13.580
+day, but in a certain sense that is not ideal
+
+00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:20.820
+time. I really haven't optimized the timing
+
+00:38:22.640 --> 00:38:23.040
+of assembly of the to-do list,
+
+00:38:24.020 --> 00:38:24.520
+I think, in retrospect.
+
+00:38:27.540 --> 00:38:27.880
+It's just by lifelong habit.
+
+00:38:29.060 --> 00:38:29.560
+I do that at the beginning of the day,
+
+00:38:32.860 --> 00:38:33.000
+but probably would be better to do it at
+
+00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:34.860
+night or the night before.
+
+00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:38.500
+And so you sort of prime your brain to go,
+
+00:38:41.180 --> 00:38:41.680
+just get up and go, go after those items.
+
+00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:46.680
+You were, you maybe you want to revise the
+
+00:38:49.120 --> 00:38:49.620
+items a little bit after sleeping on it,
+
+00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:52.820
+but after your subconscious has worked on
+
+00:38:57.500 --> 00:38:57.660
+those items. Do you have a daily routine that
+
+00:38:59.680 --> 00:38:59.900
+you follow in terms of generating those kind
+
+00:39:00.020 --> 00:39:00.520
+of lists?
+
+00:39:05.660 --> 00:39:06.160
+[Speaker 2]: No. As I said, mostly I just got scaffolding
+
+00:39:08.040 --> 00:39:08.300
+for this stuff when I want to do it.
+
+00:39:10.520 --> 00:39:10.760
+I enjoy building the scaffolding and I know
+
+00:39:12.340 --> 00:39:12.600
+where the tools are when I need it.
+
+00:39:14.540 --> 00:39:14.760
+And I start using them when I need it,
+
+00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:17.540
+but I don't have it too consistent.
+
+00:39:29.720 --> 00:39:30.220
+[Speaker 0]: So OK, so you've looked so far at denote and
+
+00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:35.800
+org-roam, and you're using k-outline.
+
+00:39:39.520 --> 00:39:39.840
+And are there other tools that you've
+
+00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:40.340
+explored?
+
+00:39:44.380 --> 00:39:44.880
+[Speaker 2]: I've tried using whisper.el
+
+00:39:50.720 --> 00:39:50.920
+and nerd dictation to do What your talk was
+
+00:39:53.560 --> 00:39:53.760
+about? Speaking speech to text to see how
+
+00:39:56.720 --> 00:39:56.840
+that changes Because it does change what you
+
+00:40:01.020 --> 00:40:01.120
+think What you write down when you speak it
+
+00:40:05.080 --> 00:40:05.500
+rather than write it. Same thing as when
+
+00:40:07.420 --> 00:40:07.540
+you're thinking about when you eliminate the
+
+00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.440
+editing, it changes the way you write.
+
+00:40:11.900 --> 00:40:12.260
+When you have the spell checking,
+
+00:40:14.100 --> 00:40:14.340
+it changes the way you write to a much
+
+00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:20.600
+smaller degree. But that's the stuff I really
+
+00:40:23.560 --> 00:40:24.060
+haven't gotten working as well,
+
+00:40:25.120 --> 00:40:25.620
+or underdeveloped.
+
+00:40:30.160 --> 00:40:30.660
+[Speaker 0]: So the dictated text winds up,
+
+00:40:37.740 --> 00:40:37.900
+I'll move it in. Often I move it into on
+
+00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:41.200
+Overleaf, this website for a lot of tech
+
+00:40:44.080 --> 00:40:44.580
+documents. I have a plug-in for Rightful,
+
+00:40:50.520 --> 00:40:51.020
+And I use that to clean up my word choices
+
+00:40:56.160 --> 00:40:56.660
+and some grammar. And I use Grammarly.
+
+00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:01.080
+I'll copy and paste. It just depends on the
+
+00:41:01.680 --> 00:41:02.080
+nature of the writing,
+
+00:41:05.720 --> 00:41:06.220
+how serious it is, how polished it has to be.
+
+00:41:12.620 --> 00:41:13.080
+If I, if it's really vital,
+
+00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:14.800
+like for a grant application or something,
+
+00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:17.380
+I'll paste that into Grammarly and work on
+
+00:41:22.160 --> 00:41:22.540
+trying to get the writing level to the lowest
+
+00:41:26.100 --> 00:41:26.280
+possible grade level to make it as clear as
+
+00:41:30.040 --> 00:41:30.220
+possible to as wide of an audience as
+
+00:41:34.740 --> 00:41:34.900
+possible. 1 of the things I kind
+
+00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:38.500
+[Speaker 2]: of wish with all the spell checking grammarly
+
+00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:40.940
+is I kind of wish you could say,
+
+00:41:48.620 --> 00:41:49.120
+hey, what would the subtle cast in person
+
+00:41:52.120 --> 00:41:52.620
+think of what I wrote who what would einstein
+
+00:41:54.200 --> 00:41:54.400
+think of what I wrote because rather than
+
+00:41:57.340 --> 00:41:57.660
+just trying to make 1 uniform way of talking
+
+00:41:59.960 --> 00:42:00.440
+it's like people talk differently and that's
+
+00:42:04.080 --> 00:42:04.240
+an advantage and I can't I really wish like
+
+00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:07.820
+you maybe these GPT programs could do well.
+
+00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:11.000
+I really wish it could help you with the
+
+00:42:16.160 --> 00:42:16.420
+grammar, that maybe give you thoughts on what
+
+00:42:18.460 --> 00:42:18.720
+your notes are. What does this person think
+
+00:42:20.220 --> 00:42:20.380
+of your thoughts? What does this person think
+
+00:42:20.457 --> 00:42:20.464
+of your thoughts? Well,
+
+00:42:20.640 --> 00:42:20.940
+does this person think of your thoughts?
+
+00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:22.540
+Well, does this person think of your
+
+00:42:22.540 --> 00:42:23.040
+thoughts?
+
+00:42:27.720 --> 00:42:28.140
+[Speaker 0]: That's true. Yeah, I could probably do that
+
+00:42:31.560 --> 00:42:32.060
+even through chat GDP now.
+
+00:42:35.140 --> 00:42:35.640
+I haven't spent time trying that out.
+
+00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:40.320
+But I bet that capabilities are already.
+
+00:42:44.340 --> 00:42:44.480
+It would be nice if it was like built in to
+
+00:42:46.240 --> 00:42:46.740
+Emacs, right? It's a package.
+
+00:42:49.020 --> 00:42:49.520
+Yeah. That'd be very cool.
+
+00:42:52.260 --> 00:42:52.660
+[Speaker 2]: Grammarly have some sort of,
+
+00:42:55.040 --> 00:42:55.320
+like, the grammar where they help you the way
+
+00:42:57.660 --> 00:42:58.040
+you write. Like, for instance,
+
+00:42:59.080 --> 00:42:59.580
+removing redundant words.
+
+00:43:02.720 --> 00:43:03.220
+And Yeah, it's supposed to be like beyond
+
+00:43:04.820 --> 00:43:05.320
+just spell checking, right?
+
+00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:08.740
+[Speaker 0]: Right. So, and there's actually a Grammarly
+
+00:43:13.300 --> 00:43:13.520
+package for Emacs, and you get some of the
+
+00:43:14.540 --> 00:43:15.040
+functionality out of it.
+
+00:43:17.420 --> 00:43:17.560
+I've paid for the subscription to get the
+
+00:43:21.240 --> 00:43:21.460
+advanced features, but I've maybe I don't
+
+00:43:23.300 --> 00:43:23.800
+have my configuration set up correctly.
+
+00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:27.780
+I just found it was easier to copy and paste
+
+00:43:31.780 --> 00:43:32.280
+a paragraph at a time into the desktop
+
+00:43:36.460 --> 00:43:36.780
+application and it will go through and find
+
+00:43:38.900 --> 00:43:39.400
+those redundancies, junk English.
+
+00:43:48.080 --> 00:43:48.580
+[Speaker 2]: It would be really interesting trying to have
+
+00:43:52.640 --> 00:43:52.760
+1 of these That was my problem with a lot of
+
+00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:56.120
+the grammarly type Programs is I'm I want
+
+00:43:57.620 --> 00:43:57.900
+something that would do that like be real
+
+00:43:59.720 --> 00:43:59.980
+interesting seeing 1 that's like an old
+
+00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:03.960
+English type thing or like Lumen person where
+
+00:44:06.540 --> 00:44:07.040
+it's just like how does this person write and
+
+00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:10.160
+Because it would be it would spit out
+
+00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:11.660
+something a lot different.
+
+00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:13.680
+Just different. Like, yeah,
+
+00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:14.940
+you put different people.
+
+00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:17.900
+[Speaker 0]: Most definitely, yes. They would have a
+
+00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:20.740
+completely different thinking and writing
+
+00:44:28.740 --> 00:44:28.940
+style. And so the purpose of doing that would
+
+00:44:34.300 --> 00:44:34.640
+be to stimulate A new way of thinking or
+
+00:44:36.340 --> 00:44:36.840
+writing I guess on your part
+
+00:44:40.600 --> 00:44:40.960
+[Speaker 2]: the purpose of writing is to communicate It
+
+00:44:43.540 --> 00:44:43.740
+and writing you know 1 of the targets for
+
+00:44:47.020 --> 00:44:47.320
+that could be yourself so it's like I'd much
+
+00:44:50.380 --> 00:44:50.880
+rather have a comprehensible sentence than a
+
+00:44:57.500 --> 00:44:57.720
+truly correct 1. 1 of those is far more
+
+00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:01.280
+valuable and far more correct English or
+
+00:45:06.560 --> 00:45:07.060
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, one's more effective at communicating
+
+00:45:08.860 --> 00:45:09.360
+to yourself. Yes.
+
+00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:11.720
+[Speaker 2]: language. Well, one's using the tool,
+
+00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:15.520
+one's the other you're trying to be used by
+
+00:45:19.080 --> 00:45:19.580
+the tool. And they're not the same thing.
+
+00:45:29.780 --> 00:45:30.280
+[Speaker 0]: That's true. Well, I view myself as being
+
+00:45:35.140 --> 00:45:35.640
+responsible for my writing and being the
+
+00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:40.520
+final judge of it and as a scientist I have
+
+00:45:49.060 --> 00:45:49.300
+to my mantra is it's got to be clear and then
+
+00:45:52.600 --> 00:45:53.100
+precise and then concise in that order.
+
+00:45:56.580 --> 00:45:56.760
+And I claim that, you know,
+
+00:45:58.440 --> 00:45:58.780
+that's the order with which I go through
+
+00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:01.780
+doing revisions. Clarity is,
+
+00:46:02.500 --> 00:46:02.880
+you know, if it's not clear,
+
+00:46:05.420 --> 00:46:05.600
+it's useless. It's got to be clear to me,
+
+00:46:08.240 --> 00:46:08.740
+but it's got to be clear to a lot of people
+
+00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:11.420
+for whom English is not a first language.
+
+00:46:15.520 --> 00:46:15.720
+And then after that, I got to worry about
+
+00:46:19.020 --> 00:46:19.520
+precision and then conciseness,
+
+00:46:24.140 --> 00:46:24.280
+but those can't be done at the expense of
+
+00:46:27.720 --> 00:46:28.220
+clarity. So it's quite a battle.
+
+00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:32.640
+[Speaker 2]: That goes back on the to-do list,
+
+00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:35.860
+where it's like if you have more than 3 items
+
+00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:39.660
+like here the purpose of doing that is to
+
+00:46:43.080 --> 00:46:43.580
+help or grant of a to-do list is help is to
+
+00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:45.680
+Have you help choose what you're going to do
+
+00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:47.840
+for the day. Which is why if you have more
+
+00:46:50.660 --> 00:46:50.860
+than 3 items, if you have 50 items on there,
+
+00:46:52.860 --> 00:46:53.320
+you're not going to get 50 of those items
+
+00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:56.040
+done. So maybe you pick the easiest ones to
+
+00:46:58.620 --> 00:46:59.020
+do, not necessarily the ones that you want or
+
+00:47:03.340 --> 00:47:03.580
+need to be done. So it's like the process of
+
+00:47:06.200 --> 00:47:06.380
+choosing those, like, I don't know,
+
+00:47:07.640 --> 00:47:08.140
+like I found that a very good rules,
+
+00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:11.300
+like up to 3 priority items if you,
+
+00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:13.440
+and then also when you look back and you see
+
+00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:14.940
+that you did those 3 items,
+
+00:47:18.460 --> 00:47:18.680
+Who cares about this? I'd rather get those 3
+
+00:47:20.080 --> 00:47:20.580
+items done than any number of secondary
+
+00:47:20.640 --> 00:47:21.140
+tasks.
+
+00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:26.820
+[Speaker 0]: Yes, I, yeah, you're very,
+
+00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:28.940
+very right about that.
+
+00:47:32.380 --> 00:47:32.640
+I don't, I used to, you know,
+
+00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:36.900
+use a pattern of assigning letters.
+
+00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:39.720
+And so you have like, you know,
+
+00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:41.780
+based on like a hierarchy of,
+
+00:47:43.340 --> 00:47:43.840
+you've got the urgent and important,
+
+00:47:47.300 --> 00:47:47.800
+of course, that you got to deal with those.
+
+00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:50.780
+And then the next thing down is the important
+
+00:48:00.060 --> 00:48:00.300
+and so on. But I tend to just generate these
+
+00:48:03.600 --> 00:48:04.000
+terribly long lists that most of those items
+
+00:48:06.260 --> 00:48:06.760
+would go on what is known as a grass catchers
+
+00:48:09.180 --> 00:48:09.680
+list of things that you may get to someday,
+
+00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:12.280
+but there's no way you can get to them today.
+
+00:48:16.120 --> 00:48:16.620
+But I feel compelled, I need to capture them.
+
+00:48:18.260 --> 00:48:18.760
+I may want to do them eventually.
+
+00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:21.420
+They wind up on my list.
+
+00:48:24.660 --> 00:48:24.800
+[Speaker 2]: Oh yeah, my idea on that is like with a
+
+00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:26.980
+Zettelkasten where you have the day thoughts
+
+00:48:29.380 --> 00:48:29.580
+and the day journal, then you have your
+
+00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:32.160
+Zettelkasten which I don't think should have
+
+00:48:34.740 --> 00:48:34.960
+too close of a connection because one's a lot
+
+00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:38.440
+more, what's the word?
+
+00:48:40.080 --> 00:48:40.580
+[Speaker 0]: It's a knowledge base.
+
+00:48:43.940 --> 00:48:44.440
+[Speaker 2]: Optimized. Yes, one's more processed.
+
+00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:45.760
+Yeah, that's the word.
+
+00:48:47.040 --> 00:48:47.440
+Yeah, one's actually much more processed.
+
+00:48:50.220 --> 00:48:50.640
+The other is you don't want that process
+
+00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:53.240
+because you want it to flow from your head
+
+00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:54.980
+with as little friction as possible.
+
+00:48:59.440 --> 00:48:59.940
+The other 1 you want to be processed so that
+
+00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:02.120
+when you look it up and stuff like that's
+
+00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:05.280
+more efficient Same thing with your to-do
+
+00:49:06.380 --> 00:49:06.680
+things. So like oh, yeah,
+
+00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:09.640
+I guess there's 1 more Category like I
+
+00:49:11.780 --> 00:49:11.980
+thought I found my 3 favorite way rather than
+
+00:49:15.720 --> 00:49:16.220
+like priority 123 is primary tasks which
+
+00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:18.280
+basically generally goes up to 3,
+
+00:49:20.380 --> 00:49:20.460
+secondary tasks, and then I like to have a
+
+00:49:22.540 --> 00:49:23.040
+third category, unplanned tasks,
+
+00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:26.180
+and I just have those wrote down in a heading
+
+00:49:28.520 --> 00:49:28.900
+in an org mode file, and then I put the tasks
+
+00:49:32.160 --> 00:49:32.660
+in there, rather than using the agenda,
+
+00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:34.040
+like too much, I don't know,
+
+00:49:40.240 --> 00:49:40.740
+just I found that that was my favorite way of
+
+00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:43.820
+doing it and then you have like another file
+
+00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:48.000
+that would just be your dump of anything you
+
+00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:51.660
+want to do and that would be like that you
+
+00:49:57.040 --> 00:49:57.540
+could pull from to get your day or I guess
+
+00:49:59.240 --> 00:49:59.440
+something that's actually better than a day
+
+00:50:01.560 --> 00:50:01.720
+is doing it all by a week at a time I found
+
+00:50:03.160 --> 00:50:03.660
+that that's actually a lot nicer because
+
+00:50:06.600 --> 00:50:06.840
+thinking about what you do in a week seems
+
+00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:09.840
+like a nicer unit, where you have a week,
+
+00:50:10.520 --> 00:50:11.020
+then you have your day,
+
+00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:13.780
+and then you have the 3 categories of
+
+00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:17.000
+priority, secondary, and unplanned.
+
+00:50:20.860 --> 00:50:20.920
+At least that's been my favorite iteration on
+
+00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:31.340
+[Speaker 0]: thought process workflow.
+
+00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:31.640
+[Speaker 2]: the week of the to-do I had
+
+00:50:33.820 --> 00:50:34.320
+[Speaker 0]: a colleague that was very effective at
+
+00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:37.780
+planning on a weekly basis and he would just
+
+00:50:41.580 --> 00:50:41.900
+get his weekly list of things to get done and
+
+00:50:43.640 --> 00:50:43.860
+he was very good at pounding through that
+
+00:50:45.380 --> 00:50:45.880
+list and getting them done.
+
+00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:49.740
+I have been too much of a day-oriented person
+
+00:50:54.020 --> 00:50:54.200
+and a week-oriented person to adapt his
+
+00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:57.260
+approach, but I've been considering that too.
+
+00:51:03.080 --> 00:51:03.520
+I think what I don't do enough of is pulling
+
+00:51:05.640 --> 00:51:06.140
+back to the month level,
+
+00:51:08.100 --> 00:51:08.600
+semester level, year level,
+
+00:51:10.900 --> 00:51:11.400
+5 year level, 10 year level.
+
+00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:12.380
+And...
+
+00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:16.200
+[Speaker 2]: That's the advantage of finding it by a week
+
+00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:18.120
+is like you can have like so you'd have your
+
+00:51:20.060 --> 00:51:20.560
+week and then maybe you have like 1 section
+
+00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:24.660
+after Friday or last day of the week and this
+
+00:51:27.660 --> 00:51:28.160
+is like your this is just your like staging
+
+00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:30.460
+so this is where you stage all the tasks and
+
+00:51:32.560 --> 00:51:32.720
+then what like you can just stay in your
+
+00:51:37.020 --> 00:51:37.280
+staging write them all down and then use alt
+
+00:51:39.860 --> 00:51:40.040
+and your arrow keys to quickly reorder all of
+
+00:51:43.340 --> 00:51:43.640
+them in the week and then when you're looking
+
+00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:46.300
+at 1 day and you're just looking at ordering
+
+00:51:48.820 --> 00:51:48.960
+everything well it makes a lot of sense when
+
+00:51:51.720 --> 00:51:51.960
+you just say, I don't really want to do that.
+
+00:51:53.160 --> 00:51:53.660
+Like I want this done this week.
+
+00:51:56.260 --> 00:51:56.500
+I don't necessarily want it done on this day.
+
+00:51:58.520 --> 00:51:58.740
+So it just, that's why I found that the week
+
+00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:00.780
+approach works a lot nicer even.
+
+00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:10.260
+[Speaker 0]: of a staging time you like schedule some time
+
+00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:12.380
+in your week to do the staging.
+
+00:52:14.620 --> 00:52:14.960
+[Speaker 2]: Yeah. Is that way The staging is more of just
+
+00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:16.960
+like, these are the things I would like to
+
+00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:19.940
+get done. And then when you schedule it,
+
+00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:23.800
+then you kind of schedule it by just using
+
+00:52:26.240 --> 00:52:26.740
+the Alt-Left key, the Alt-Arrow keys to just,
+
+00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:28.580
+oh, I want this done. It looks like this
+
+00:52:29.860 --> 00:52:30.040
+would work really good on this day.
+
+00:52:31.620 --> 00:52:32.120
+This 1 looks like it would work on this day.
+
+00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:39.300
+[Speaker 0]: A, you still utilize org agenda?
+
+00:52:45.140 --> 00:52:45.640
+[Speaker 2]: I try to, I don't know,
+
+00:52:49.120 --> 00:52:49.540
+I found that it works at least better without
+
+00:52:52.120 --> 00:52:52.620
+it. Yeah, that's fine.
+
+00:52:54.020 --> 00:52:54.340
+Because that way I also get a log of
+
+00:53:00.020 --> 00:53:00.140
+everything I've done, which I can't find a
+
+00:53:03.240 --> 00:53:03.400
+way that, it seems easier to just make new
+
+00:53:06.380 --> 00:53:06.760
+files for it. And rather than,
+
+00:53:08.160 --> 00:53:08.660
+like you could use it with Org Agenda,
+
+00:53:11.540 --> 00:53:12.040
+but like 1 of the things that you want is
+
+00:53:14.040 --> 00:53:14.540
+with it is to look back at it,
+
+00:53:18.380 --> 00:53:18.880
+reflect. And so like if you have the,
+
+00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:23.640
+if you have, if you open up the file with 2
+
+00:53:25.580 --> 00:53:25.760
+levels or 3 levels of headings to where you
+
+00:53:26.780 --> 00:53:27.040
+just see the priority task,
+
+00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:30.300
+you can get a very nice overview of saying,
+
+00:53:33.860 --> 00:53:34.360
+I did my priority task this day.
+
+00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:39.100
+So you get the numbers next to the things.
+
+00:53:40.200 --> 00:53:40.700
+And so you can easily just say,
+
+00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:41.980
+I've done this. I mean,
+
+00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:43.520
+it would be nice if I could figure out a way
+
+00:53:45.240 --> 00:53:45.740
+of doing agenda to give me percentages.
+
+00:53:50.680 --> 00:53:51.180
+But I haven't figured that out.
+
+00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:54.780
+Seeing the granular level,
+
+00:53:57.100 --> 00:53:57.340
+I can easily scan that with my eyes.
+
+00:53:59.720 --> 00:53:59.900
+So I just did it by hand rather than the
+
+00:53:59.900 --> 00:54:00.400
+agenda.
+
+00:54:06.420 --> 00:54:06.600
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I've, I've tried to use agenda a few
+
+00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:10.900
+times and pretty seriously,
+
+00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:15.060
+but I keep bouncing off it.
+
+00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:18.160
+I think I get too many things built in or
+
+00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:21.700
+scheduled and I just don't get to them.
+
+00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:26.500
+I feel bad about it and I wind up abandoning
+
+00:54:31.220 --> 00:54:31.500
+it. So that's 1 area where there's probably
+
+00:54:34.820 --> 00:54:35.040
+some potential for optimizing and making that
+
+00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:40.440
+work better. There's a lot of customizing you
+
+00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:42.780
+can do with Agenda. It's amazing.
+
+00:54:44.540 --> 00:54:45.040
+[Speaker 2]: For me, it was though,
+
+00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:48.980
+I wanted there to be a separation between the
+
+00:54:52.120 --> 00:54:52.420
+daily to-do lists and like your grab bag
+
+00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:54.600
+which I think agenda works a lot better for a
+
+00:54:58.040 --> 00:54:58.440
+grab bag. I want a nice way of looking back
+
+00:55:01.560 --> 00:55:02.060
+at my to-do daily to-do logs.
+
+00:55:05.980 --> 00:55:06.340
+So I kind of want them to be separated,
+
+00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:08.980
+so I just did them separate.
+
+00:55:12.540 --> 00:55:12.680
+With the agenda, I could never figure out
+
+00:55:14.060 --> 00:55:14.560
+exactly how I want that to work,
+
+00:55:15.620 --> 00:55:16.120
+how the files would look,
+
+00:55:18.580 --> 00:55:18.960
+and how all the Emacs settings would interact
+
+00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:21.660
+with it. I mean, I'm sure I could,
+
+00:55:28.780 --> 00:55:29.160
+but that's why I opted for weekly files.
+
+00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:35.140
+Or at least That's my most refined idea on
+
+00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:35.780
+the process.
+
+00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:41.400
+[Speaker 0]: That's a good idea. So I've taken my approach
+
+00:55:43.940 --> 00:55:44.440
+is a little different that I'm generating
+
+00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:46.960
+this text on a daily basis and popping it
+
+00:55:52.660 --> 00:55:52.900
+into this to 1 document file per day and a
+
+00:55:59.020 --> 00:55:59.300
+like a diary on Overleaf as a big so it winds
+
+00:56:01.950 --> 00:56:02.450
+[Speaker 2]: sections
+
+00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:05.600
+[Speaker 0]: up being 365 and where every month is a
+
+00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:11.640
+chapter and it's compiled quickly enough even
+
+00:56:13.100 --> 00:56:13.480
+though it's often up to 1,000
+
+00:56:14.780 --> 00:56:15.280
+pages long by the end of the year.
+
+00:56:17.220 --> 00:56:17.500
+And I have all these, of course,
+
+00:56:19.240 --> 00:56:19.700
+with the PDF, I can search through it.
+
+00:56:22.540 --> 00:56:22.760
+So that's not as you can't do the kind of
+
+00:56:24.380 --> 00:56:24.560
+really sophisticated searching that you can
+
+00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:29.840
+do with Org Mode. But just doing that,
+
+00:56:33.620 --> 00:56:33.800
+It sure has been very helpful in digging up
+
+00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:39.680
+information, like the little protocols on how
+
+00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:43.460
+I attack, accomplish a certain task that I
+
+00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:45.920
+have to do a year later,
+
+00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:50.540
+or to have a record of what I did on a
+
+00:56:54.220 --> 00:56:54.400
+certain day and then somebody above me might
+
+00:56:57.100 --> 00:56:57.340
+be trying to hold me to account what got
+
+00:56:59.580 --> 00:57:00.080
+done. I can look that up pretty very quickly.
+
+00:57:05.140 --> 00:57:05.320
+It's documented. I find that to be just any
+
+00:57:09.520 --> 00:57:09.840
+kind of thorough documentation system is very
+
+00:57:16.080 --> 00:57:16.320
+[Speaker 2]: I also mess with having it all in 1 file
+
+00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:17.940
+rather than by a weak file.
+
+00:57:20.140 --> 00:57:20.640
+[Speaker 0]: useful. And at least what I did.
+
+00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:22.320
+I ran into trouble with,
+
+00:57:25.380 --> 00:57:25.880
+like, once you get a lot of items,
+
+00:57:27.040 --> 00:57:27.540
+like if you have 1,000
+
+00:57:30.580 --> 00:57:30.780
+items, headings, I've had org files with
+
+00:57:33.680 --> 00:57:34.180
+1,000 headings. It can be so hard to scroll
+
+00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:39.280
+through. Maybe it's some limitations I'm run
+
+00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:42.740
+into with the Emacs being single threaded.
+
+00:57:49.120 --> 00:57:49.620
+[Speaker 2]: At least with, yeah. Yeah.
+
+00:57:52.420 --> 00:57:52.920
+It was like, that's 1 of the things is like,
+
+00:57:54.240 --> 00:57:54.520
+how exactly do you want this,
+
+00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:56.120
+the information structured because it can
+
+00:57:56.820 --> 00:57:57.320
+change how it's retrieved.
+
+00:58:00.260 --> 00:58:00.760
+[Speaker 0]: Ooh, most definitely. Most definitely.
+
+00:58:08.200 --> 00:58:08.560
+[Speaker 2]: So as an example, when I was doing the daily
+
+00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:14.960
+logs and I put it all in the date and then
+
+00:58:15.700 --> 00:58:16.200
+the priority, secondary,
+
+00:58:21.980 --> 00:58:22.100
+unplanned tasks, and then I had it stay at
+
+00:58:24.940 --> 00:58:25.120
+that, get auto expanded by that level by
+
+00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:27.780
+default so I didn't see the individual task
+
+00:58:30.720 --> 00:58:30.860
+and you and then I had a but And then it
+
+00:58:33.120 --> 00:58:33.420
+would say like I complete 205 or something
+
+00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:34.940
+like that of secondary tasks.
+
+00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:38.400
+And then just being able just to quickly scan
+
+00:58:39.740 --> 00:58:40.240
+all the days and say, oh,
+
+00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:43.260
+it just, the feedback you get from that is
+
+00:58:46.300 --> 00:58:46.500
+worth a lot. And I don't think it's
+
+00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:48.120
+something, it's not something I could think
+
+00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:49.820
+of how you do an agenda.
+
+00:58:53.300 --> 00:58:53.540
+Even though I got done in the text files just
+
+00:58:57.260 --> 00:58:57.400
+because you get that doesn't expand all the
+
+00:58:59.580 --> 00:58:59.800
+way so you so you can quickly just see on
+
+00:59:01.940 --> 00:59:02.140
+this day I did this well on this day I did
+
+00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:06.300
+this well all within and 4 lines per day.
+
+00:59:11.040 --> 00:59:11.420
+So it's not, that doesn't,
+
+00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:13.420
+that's not very visually verbose.
+
+00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:17.080
+Probably about as visually verbose as you
+
+00:59:18.640 --> 00:59:19.140
+want it. They're not super long.
+
+00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:23.200
+You easily see the 2 of 3 and stuff like that
+
+00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:25.420
+that you get done so you can quickly and say,
+
+00:59:29.380 --> 00:59:29.600
+oh well, these are the days where I got my
+
+00:59:31.300 --> 00:59:31.800
+primary tasks done or this week,
+
+00:59:36.340 --> 00:59:36.500
+and this day I didn't do it well and you
+
+00:59:38.300 --> 00:59:38.740
+could helps you correlate like your feelings
+
+00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:42.620
+with your to-do lists and journals and
+
+00:59:42.620 --> 00:59:43.120
+whatnot.
+
+00:59:48.940 --> 00:59:49.440
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah I think that's very powerful.
+
+00:59:53.300 --> 00:59:53.800
+Because it's summarizing capability.
+
+00:59:57.560 --> 00:59:58.060
+It allows you to, you know,
+
+01:00:00.656 --> 01:00:00.784
+pull back and get an overview.
+
+01:00:01.040 --> 01:00:01.540
+Get an overview.
+
+01:00:07.580 --> 01:00:08.080
+[Speaker 2]: And yeah, as I said, it's like the feedback
+
+01:00:10.600 --> 01:00:10.760
+from that almost when I did that,
+
+01:00:12.620 --> 01:00:12.800
+it feels like half the reason or should be
+
+01:00:14.580 --> 01:00:14.900
+like half the reason is and it's something
+
+01:00:19.120 --> 01:00:19.340
+that I don't if you use the agenda as it is,
+
+01:00:21.220 --> 01:00:21.360
+you wouldn't, I don't know how you would get
+
+01:00:23.160 --> 01:00:23.360
+it, like saying, like looking at the week by
+
+01:00:25.080 --> 01:00:25.580
+week basis, breakdowns,
+
+01:00:27.120 --> 01:00:27.620
+you might be able to get like percentages,
+
+01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:30.900
+which would be nice. Like I did this well,
+
+01:00:33.700 --> 01:00:34.120
+or like habit, I don't,
+
+01:00:35.640 --> 01:00:35.920
+there might be things that could offer you
+
+01:00:39.700 --> 01:00:40.200
+but. Yeah,
+
+01:00:46.780 --> 01:00:47.280
+[Speaker 0]: so I'm pretty obsessed about tracking effort
+
+01:00:48.560 --> 01:00:49.060
+on various kinds of projects,
+
+01:00:52.020 --> 01:00:52.520
+or various kinds of activities,
+
+01:00:57.880 --> 01:00:58.360
+and to get some feedback in that regard.
+
+01:00:59.500 --> 01:01:00.000
+And then you, but you got the,
+
+01:01:02.040 --> 01:01:02.540
+So I define a project as anything that
+
+01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:06.780
+requires work at different points in time,
+
+01:01:07.040 --> 01:01:07.540
+more than 1
+
+01:01:15.300 --> 01:01:15.520
+[Speaker 2]: time. I'll email you my org mode template
+
+01:01:17.560 --> 01:01:18.060
+that I made that demonstrates that.
+
+01:01:22.200 --> 01:01:22.700
+I don't know if you, do you have your email
+
+01:01:24.520 --> 01:01:25.020
+in your talk notes or anything?
+
+01:01:29.380 --> 01:01:29.700
+[Speaker 0]: Okay. I think I should have it on the first
+
+01:01:31.560 --> 01:01:32.060
+slide. There should be my email address.
+
+01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:41.060
+I can add it to my talk notes.
+
+01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:47.040
+[Speaker 2]: Okay. Would you want me to show it to you at
+
+01:01:48.940 --> 01:01:49.440
+[Speaker 0]: that'd be great.
+
+01:01:52.600 --> 01:01:53.100
+[Speaker 2]: all? Sure, All right, let's see.
+
+01:02:20.842 --> 01:02:20.905
+I'm going to share screen button,
+
+01:02:21.220 --> 01:02:21.520
+right? There's a share screen button,
+
+01:02:21.520 --> 01:02:22.020
+right?
+
+01:02:26.160 --> 01:02:26.660
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, so, let's see.
+
+01:02:59.243 --> 01:02:59.743
+[Speaker 2]: Yeah, I'm all. That's the right button.
+
+01:03:04.640 --> 01:03:05.140
+Can you not share the screen on this?
+
+01:03:08.860 --> 01:03:09.360
+[Speaker 0]: I have something going here.
+
+01:03:13.900 --> 01:03:14.400
+Let's see. I have, I see some stuff on here.
+
+01:03:18.160 --> 01:03:18.660
+Wonder if I'm still active.
+
+01:03:21.180 --> 01:03:21.680
+It shows share screen.
+
+01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:22.780
+Cancel.
+
+01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:28.760
+[Speaker 2]: Maybe they just did it through OBS.
+
+01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:47.780
+[Speaker 0]: Maybe I only have permission to share.
+
+01:03:53.900 --> 01:03:54.400
+I can put my email address in the chat.
+
+01:03:59.440 --> 01:03:59.620
+[Speaker 2]: I guess I'll just email it to you,
+
+01:04:06.600 --> 01:04:06.840
+but Let's see. Yeah, I think the way that
+
+01:04:11.260 --> 01:04:11.460
+they did it on the Any of the other videos if
+
+01:04:13.780 --> 01:04:14.020
+they shared the screen they just shared the
+
+01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:17.560
+webcam they just took over the webcam with
+
+01:04:20.380 --> 01:04:20.880
+OBS and shared what they wanted with it.
+
+01:04:22.760 --> 01:04:23.260
+[Speaker 0]: Oh, okay.
+
+01:04:24.720 --> 01:04:25.180
+[Speaker 2]: At least I'm guessing.
+
+01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:27.460
+Yeah, I'll give that to you.
+
+01:04:31.080 --> 01:04:31.240
+Okay. I guess I'll let you go watch the rest
+
+01:04:32.240 --> 01:04:32.740
+of the Emacs videos.
+
+01:04:34.640 --> 01:04:35.140
+[Speaker 0]: This has been a great conversation.
+
+01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:37.780
+Thank you very much. I appreciate your
+
+01:04:39.620 --> 01:04:39.840
+willingness to share your thoughts on this
+
+01:04:42.980 --> 01:04:43.480
+matter. This is vital,
+
+01:04:48.260 --> 01:04:48.440
+time management. It's a kind of key aspect of
+
+01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:48.940
+life.
+
+01:04:54.680 --> 01:04:55.180
+[Speaker 2]: Oh yeah. The way the how the function.
+
+01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:03.820
+Reasons to use emacs is to use the keyboard
+
+01:05:08.240 --> 01:05:08.420
+is. It's not to speed you up.
+
+01:05:09.520 --> 01:05:10.020
+Like, yeah, that's nice.
+
+01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:12.780
+But it keeps you in the stream,
+
+01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:25.760
+keeps you in the flow state and which then
+
+01:05:32.780 --> 01:05:32.900
+just makes you think better and yeah and the
+
+01:05:35.540 --> 01:05:35.780
+thing with that is you I have you I have no
+
+01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:37.980
+idea what the limits of that would be.
+
+01:05:39.680 --> 01:05:40.020
+Because you think, because yes,
+
+01:05:42.740 --> 01:05:42.900
+it's not about beating up how many words you
+
+01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:45.060
+say a minute. I mean that's nice and all,
+
+01:05:46.680 --> 01:05:46.920
+But when you start doing that,
+
+01:05:48.340 --> 01:05:48.840
+when you start removing all these friction
+
+01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:53.000
+points, all of a sudden the number,
+
+01:05:57.800 --> 01:05:58.300
+quality, and types of thoughts you get start
+
+01:06:01.620 --> 01:06:02.120
+[Speaker 0]: That's right.
+
+01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:03.980
+[Speaker 2]: increasing. Which is the goal.
+
+01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:15.460
+[Speaker 0]: Okay. Well, thank you very much.
+
+01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:18.260
+Enjoy the rest of the meeting.
+
+01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:19.780
+[Speaker 2]: Will do.