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diff --git a/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--answers.vtt b/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--answers.vtt index 494ee690..9852485c 100644 --- a/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--answers.vtt +++ b/2023/captions/emacsconf-2023-teaching--teaching-computer-and-data-science-with-literate-programming-tools--marcus-birkenkrahe--answers.vtt @@ -1,2650 +1,2654 @@ WEBVTT -00:00:03.639 --> 00:00:04.140 +00:00:00.599 --> 00:00:04.140 [Speaker 0]: Again, second only live Q&A of the day. -00:00:05.980 --> 00:00:06.339 +00:00:04.339 --> 00:00:06.339 So, things are still a bit rusty, -00:00:07.859 --> 00:00:08.360 +00:00:06.339 --> 00:00:08.379 but believe me, by the end of the morning, -00:00:11.719 --> 00:00:12.219 +00:00:08.380 --> 00:00:12.259 we will be well-oiled machinery. -00:00:13.440 --> 00:00:13.940 +00:00:12.340 --> 00:00:13.940 So, hi Marcus, how are you doing? -00:00:15.360 --> 00:00:15.860 +00:00:14.540 --> 00:00:15.860 [Speaker 1]: I'm fine, Thank you. -00:00:19.900 --> 00:00:20.020 +00:00:17.500 --> 00:00:20.020 [Speaker 0]: I really liked, most people might have -00:00:21.680 --> 00:00:22.180 +00:00:20.020 --> 00:00:22.180 forgotten, but you started your presentation -00:00:25.840 --> 00:00:26.340 +00:00:22.360 --> 00:00:26.340 with the, in a very dark room and with this -00:00:29.200 --> 00:00:29.340 +00:00:26.680 --> 00:00:29.340 typical note of dry German humor that I -00:00:30.400 --> 00:00:30.900 +00:00:29.340 --> 00:00:30.900 particularly liked. -00:00:33.900 --> 00:00:34.280 +00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:34.280 [Speaker 1]: Whereas I told you we're born without humour -00:00:38.040 --> 00:00:38.300 +00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:38.300 so any sense of humour is the result of very -00:00:38.559 --> 00:00:39.059 +00:00:38.300 --> 00:00:39.059 hard work. -00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:44.280 +00:00:40.940 --> 00:00:44.280 [Speaker 0]: Well I can confirm therefore that your work -00:00:46.100 --> 00:00:46.600 +00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:46.600 is evident in this particular remark. -00:00:50.379 --> 00:00:50.879 +00:00:47.780 --> 00:00:50.879 So as we did before and perhaps this time -00:00:53.940 --> 00:00:54.320 +00:00:50.940 --> 00:00:54.320 more punctiliously, terrible adverb, -00:00:57.660 --> 00:00:58.100 +00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:58.100 that's why I'm an English major we will be -00:01:00.220 --> 00:01:00.420 +00:00:58.100 --> 00:01:00.420 taking questions first from the pad and then -00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:03.740 +00:01:00.420 --> 00:01:03.740 we'll be moving on to people in the BBV room. -00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:05.540 +00:01:03.740 --> 00:01:05.540 Let me just check if we have some people. -00:01:06.220 --> 00:01:06.720 +00:01:05.540 --> 00:01:06.720 We do have some people. -00:01:08.720 --> 00:01:08.860 +00:01:06.960 --> 00:01:08.860 All right, so Markus, I'm gonna ask you the -00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:11.200 +00:01:08.860 --> 00:01:11.200 questions in the pad unless you have -00:01:12.100 --> 00:01:12.600 +00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:12.600 something to remark first. -00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:15.060 +00:01:13.080 --> 00:01:15.060 [Speaker 1]: Yes, oh no, no, I don't have nothing to -00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:17.800 +00:01:15.060 --> 00:01:17.800 remark. I mean, only that we're coming to the -00:01:19.940 --> 00:01:20.200 +00:01:17.800 --> 00:01:20.200 end of the term here, and I think in the -00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:24.140 +00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:24.140 paper that I wrote, I expressed doubt that -00:01:25.080 --> 00:01:25.560 +00:01:24.140 --> 00:01:25.560 Emacs was good for beginners, -00:01:31.220 --> 00:01:31.720 +00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:31.720 but I've now gone back to an interactive -00:01:33.520 --> 00:01:34.020 +00:01:31.780 --> 00:01:34.020 notebook in the class without Emacs, -00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:37.500 +00:01:34.080 --> 00:01:37.500 and I've just missed it terribly the whole -00:01:38.940 --> 00:01:39.220 +00:01:37.500 --> 00:01:39.220 term. And I think I saw you walk too, -00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:40.540 +00:01:39.220 --> 00:01:40.540 so that's kind of interesting. -00:01:41.660 --> 00:01:42.160 +00:01:41.380 --> 00:01:42.160 That's it. -00:01:43.320 --> 00:01:43.580 +00:01:42.270 --> 00:01:43.580 [Speaker 0]: Right. All right, well, -00:01:44.860 --> 00:01:45.040 +00:01:43.580 --> 00:01:45.040 let's get started with the questions because -00:01:47.440 --> 00:01:47.940 +00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.940 I'm a little worried that we might acquire -00:01:50.140 --> 00:01:50.580 +00:01:48.340 --> 00:01:50.580 debt because of the time that we have. -00:01:52.900 --> 00:01:53.040 +00:01:50.580 --> 00:01:53.040 And just to be clear, so that you also know -00:01:54.360 --> 00:01:54.479 +00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:54.479 the time at which we're supposed to be -00:01:56.979 --> 00:01:57.240 +00:01:54.479 --> 00:01:57.240 finishing, the next talk here on this track -00:01:59.060 --> 00:01:59.560 +00:01:57.240 --> 00:01:59.560 is supposed to be at 10.40, -00:02:01.240 --> 00:02:01.740 +00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:01.740 which is in 13 minutes from now. -00:02:02.720 --> 00:02:03.220 +00:02:01.800 --> 00:02:03.220 All right, with that said, -00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:04.500 +00:02:03.240 --> 00:02:04.500 starting with the first questions. -00:02:06.820 --> 00:02:07.300 +00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.300 What tools do you use for making your slides? -00:02:08.940 --> 00:02:09.440 +00:02:07.300 --> 00:02:09.440 They are very nice and I concur. 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:18.180 OrgReveal? -00:02:22.100 --> 00:02:22.600 +00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:22.600 [Speaker 1]: I use OrgReveal. It's a package, -00:02:26.100 --> 00:02:26.380 +00:02:22.980 --> 00:02:26.380 OrgReveal. I don't have the link right now, -00:02:31.160 --> 00:02:31.560 +00:02:26.380 --> 00:02:31.560 but it's an org mode package where You create -00:02:35.220 --> 00:02:35.400 +00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:35.400 some meta information and I think it's -00:02:39.660 --> 00:02:39.900 +00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:39.900 basically JavaScript, JavaScript package that -00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:41.620 +00:02:39.900 --> 00:02:41.620 will work from a bunch of different -00:02:49.300 --> 00:02:49.540 +00:02:45.580 --> 00:02:49.540 platforms, but it works particularly well -00:02:51.620 --> 00:02:52.120 +00:02:49.540 --> 00:02:52.120 from Emacs. So you use that a lot. -00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:55.440 +00:02:53.740 --> 00:02:55.440 [Speaker 0]: Right, yeah, I think it is definitely -00:02:56.720 --> 00:02:57.120 +00:02:55.440 --> 00:02:57.120 interacting with JavaScript in the background -00:02:58.620 --> 00:02:59.120 +00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.120 and it makes for a very clean presentation -00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:01.380 +00:02:59.440 --> 00:03:01.380 right from Emacs. I mean, -00:03:04.180 --> 00:03:04.340 +00:03:01.380 --> 00:03:04.340 it's not opened in Emacs unless you use a web -00:03:06.180 --> 00:03:06.480 +00:03:04.340 --> 00:03:06.480 browser in Emacs that supports such -00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:09.400 +00:03:06.480 --> 00:03:09.400 compositing but it's pretty convenient and I -00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:10.780 +00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:10.780 recommend looking into it. -00:03:19.040 --> 00:03:19.540 +00:03:15.140 --> 00:03:19.540 [Speaker 1]: I'm just going to share the URL here. -00:03:20.900 --> 00:03:21.400 +00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:21.400 So if anybody's interested. -00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:24.140 +00:03:22.300 --> 00:03:24.140 [Speaker 0]: Right, and we'll be putting all the links -00:03:25.440 --> 00:03:25.600 +00:03:24.140 --> 00:03:25.600 right now. So obviously right now, -00:03:27.740 --> 00:03:28.180 +00:03:25.600 --> 00:03:28.180 Marcus is writing inside of his own Emacs, -00:03:28.940 --> 00:03:29.340 +00:03:28.180 --> 00:03:29.340 but we also have the pad. -00:03:30.760 --> 00:03:31.020 +00:03:29.340 --> 00:03:31.020 We'll make sure that you have all the links -00:03:32.020 --> 00:03:32.520 +00:03:31.020 --> 00:03:32.520 accessible a little bit later. -00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:34.340 +00:03:32.660 --> 00:03:34.340 Okay, moving on to the next question, -00:03:34.860 --> 00:03:35.360 +00:03:34.460 --> 00:03:35.360 why MDPI? -00:03:40.140 --> 00:03:40.520 +00:03:36.820 --> 00:03:40.520 [Speaker 1]: Oh yeah, well that's a little bit of a longer -00:03:42.100 --> 00:03:42.600 +00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:42.600 answer, kind of boring I suppose. -00:03:44.180 --> 00:03:44.680 +00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:44.680 So when I came here to the US, -00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:47.960 +00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:47.960 I used to teach a lot of graduate courses and -00:03:49.160 --> 00:03:49.280 +00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:49.280 I had to suddenly teach a lot of -00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:50.460 +00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:50.460 undergraduate courses, -00:03:52.940 --> 00:03:53.100 +00:03:50.500 --> 00:03:53.100 which partly motivated this move because it -00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:55.640 +00:03:53.100 --> 00:03:55.640 made me realize, as I said in the -00:03:57.660 --> 00:03:58.020 +00:03:55.640 --> 00:03:58.020 presentation, how little the students -00:03:59.280 --> 00:03:59.780 +00:03:58.020 --> 00:03:59.780 understand of the underlying infrastructure -00:04:01.760 --> 00:04:01.920 +00:04:00.040 --> 00:04:01.920 and how important it is for them to work with -00:04:05.940 --> 00:04:06.440 +00:04:01.920 --> 00:04:06.440 an IDE that doesn't make coding especially -00:04:09.020 --> 00:04:09.140 +00:04:06.540 --> 00:04:09.140 convenient, but that teaches them a lot of -00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:10.840 +00:04:09.140 --> 00:04:10.840 the stuff on the side, -00:04:12.580 --> 00:04:13.080 +00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:13.080 you know, while still presenting a very -00:04:16.880 --> 00:04:17.380 +00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:17.380 smooth environment, which developers -00:04:21.899 --> 00:04:22.120 +00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:22.120 appreciate as well. So I came here and I used -00:04:24.320 --> 00:04:24.520 +00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.520 to publish like 4 or 5 research papers per -00:04:25.640 --> 00:04:26.140 +00:04:24.520 --> 00:04:26.140 year, but I didn't have the time. -00:04:28.260 --> 00:04:28.760 +00:04:26.520 --> 00:04:28.760 So I was contacted by MDPI. -00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:34.340 +00:04:30.060 --> 00:04:34.340 And it's 1 of those research paper mills, -00:04:36.660 --> 00:04:37.160 +00:04:34.700 --> 00:04:37.160 which seem to be springing up where authors -00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:40.840 +00:04:37.200 --> 00:04:40.840 can, really the institutions of the authors -00:04:42.100 --> 00:04:42.560 +00:04:40.840 --> 00:04:42.560 have to pay so that they can publish, -00:04:43.940 --> 00:04:44.440 +00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:44.440 right? So it's not really, -00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:46.400 +00:04:44.440 --> 00:04:46.400 and I checked them out and they seem to be -00:04:47.260 --> 00:04:47.680 +00:04:46.400 --> 00:04:47.680 proper peer review publishing, -00:04:48.900 --> 00:04:49.120 +00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:49.120 but to be absolutely sure I said, -00:04:49.960 --> 00:04:50.460 +00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:50.460 well, you can have my article, -00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:52.540 +00:04:51.220 --> 00:04:52.540 but of course for free, -00:04:54.640 --> 00:04:55.080 +00:04:52.540 --> 00:04:55.080 I'm not going to pay for you to publish it. -00:04:57.200 --> 00:04:57.700 +00:04:55.080 --> 00:04:57.700 And so that's what they did. -00:05:01.060 --> 00:05:01.160 +00:04:57.880 --> 00:05:01.160 They invited me and I submitted the paper and -00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:02.240 +00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:02.240 it was a very good process. -00:05:04.280 --> 00:05:04.540 +00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:04.540 That was a very, it was a good peer review -00:05:06.400 --> 00:05:06.760 +00:05:04.540 --> 00:05:06.760 critique. So I changed the paper quite a bit. -00:05:07.640 --> 00:05:07.940 +00:05:06.760 --> 00:05:07.940 It's still not a great paper. -00:05:09.060 --> 00:05:09.320 +00:05:07.940 --> 00:05:09.320 It's just a small case study. -00:05:11.880 --> 00:05:12.100 +00:05:09.320 --> 00:05:12.100 That's the kind of thing that you have a lot -00:05:14.580 --> 00:05:14.800 +00:05:12.100 --> 00:05:14.800 in medical research where also people don't -00:05:17.280 --> 00:05:17.720 +00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.720 have a lot of time to do research, -00:05:19.280 --> 00:05:19.480 +00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:19.480 proper research, which takes a very long -00:05:21.020 --> 00:05:21.520 +00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.520 time. And so that's why MDPI. -00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:24.660 +00:05:21.820 --> 00:05:24.660 And they are in the most of the relevant -00:05:27.280 --> 00:05:27.780 +00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.780 citation indices. So they are reputable -00:05:30.700 --> 00:05:30.920 +00:05:27.900 --> 00:05:30.920 enough. I mean, normally I would say for -00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:33.060 +00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.060 anybody who does anything like this, -00:05:36.200 --> 00:05:36.420 +00:05:33.260 --> 00:05:36.420 you might not even want to bother with the -00:05:37.260 --> 00:05:37.640 +00:05:36.420 --> 00:05:37.640 journal these days anymore. -00:05:38.760 --> 00:05:39.260 +00:05:37.640 --> 00:05:39.260 You just go straight to ArcSci, -00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:41.620 +00:05:40.520 --> 00:05:41.620 put out your preprint. -00:05:44.380 --> 00:05:44.540 +00:05:41.980 --> 00:05:44.540 And in fact, what will happen if you're on -00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:46.440 +00:05:44.540 --> 00:05:46.440 ArcSci, if somebody finds it interesting, -00:05:49.400 --> 00:05:49.900 +00:05:46.440 --> 00:05:49.900 they're going to reach out to you to capture -00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:54.280 +00:05:49.900 --> 00:05:54.280 your paper and have it published under their -00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:56.120 +00:05:54.280 --> 00:05:56.120 heading. Oh yeah, actually the other reason -00:05:58.260 --> 00:05:58.660 +00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.660 why I wanted MDPI is because there were open -00:05:59.480 --> 00:05:59.980 +00:05:58.660 --> 00:05:59.980 access from the start. -00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:02.660 +00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:02.660 And I really like, if you go to the paper, -00:06:03.820 --> 00:06:04.200 +00:06:02.660 --> 00:06:04.200 I really like the way it's presented. -00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:07.340 +00:06:04.200 --> 00:06:07.340 So I looked at a few papers and I thought -00:06:11.640 --> 00:06:12.140 +00:06:07.340 --> 00:06:12.140 it's a really nice online access, -00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:13.980 +00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:13.980 online open access solution. -00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:17.220 +00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.220 That's the long answer, 00:06:17.220 --> 00:06:17.720 sorry. -00:06:20.660 --> 00:06:21.060 +00:06:18.740 --> 00:06:21.060 [Speaker 0]: No, that was perfectly fine and you provided -00:06:23.400 --> 00:06:23.760 +00:06:21.060 --> 00:06:23.760 many details so it was far from a boring -00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:25.420 +00:06:23.760 --> 00:06:25.420 answer, let me reassure you. -00:06:26.820 --> 00:06:27.100 +00:06:26.140 --> 00:06:27.100 Moving on to the question, -00:06:28.900 --> 00:06:29.120 +00:06:27.100 --> 00:06:29.120 we only have about 8 minutes left so I'd like -00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:31.500 +00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.500 to finish those 2 questions and let people in -00:06:33.960 --> 00:06:34.460 +00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:34.460 the audience speak. So do you think immersion -00:06:37.060 --> 00:06:37.500 +00:06:35.280 --> 00:06:37.500 can be achieved on teaching other students -00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:38.600 +00:06:37.500 --> 00:06:38.600 with different backgrounds? -00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:42.180 +00:06:39.340 --> 00:06:42.180 [Speaker 1]: Oh yeah, that's a really good question. -00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:48.380 +00:06:45.740 --> 00:06:48.380 I had actually a discussion last night with -00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:49.920 +00:06:48.380 --> 00:06:49.920 my wife in bed about this, -00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:52.860 +00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.860 about the use of textbooks which are famously -00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:55.840 +00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.840 non-immersive because they're consumed away -00:06:58.140 --> 00:06:58.640 +00:06:55.840 --> 00:06:58.640 from the class. Very rarely you sit in class -00:07:00.100 --> 00:07:00.540 +00:06:58.660 --> 00:07:00.540 like people used to do and read something -00:07:01.960 --> 00:07:02.420 +00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:02.420 together. Maybe they did that in English. -00:07:04.200 --> 00:07:04.700 +00:07:02.420 --> 00:07:04.700 And that is of course instantly immersive. -00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:06.700 +00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:06.700 But in computer science, -00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:08.180 +00:07:06.700 --> 00:07:08.180 many other topics, psychology, -00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:10.300 +00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.300 you know, biology and so on, -00:07:11.820 --> 00:07:12.260 +00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:12.260 you cannot get immersion, -00:07:13.740 --> 00:07:14.240 +00:07:12.260 --> 00:07:14.240 at least not in a lecture theater. -00:07:16.760 --> 00:07:16.960 +00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:16.960 You get it in a lab because people solve the -00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:18.920 +00:07:16.960 --> 00:07:18.920 problem and then they're immersed in it. -00:07:20.500 --> 00:07:20.680 +00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:20.660 So, but my answer would be, -00:07:22.580 --> 00:07:22.680 +00:07:20.660 --> 00:07:22.680 yes, I can think totally immersion can be -00:07:25.260 --> 00:07:25.540 +00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.520 achieved anywhere, but what you have to do is -00:07:29.180 --> 00:07:29.500 +00:07:25.520 --> 00:07:29.500 you have to not lecture and you have to let -00:07:31.280 --> 00:07:31.640 +00:07:29.500 --> 00:07:31.640 students do work as you go along. -00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:33.840 +00:07:31.640 --> 00:07:33.840 So I used to lecture quite a bit because I -00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:38.220 +00:07:33.840 --> 00:07:38.220 was an insecure young professor and just read -00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:41.400 +00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:41.400 all my slides and my notes as I used to use, -00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:43.540 +00:07:41.400 --> 00:07:43.540 as everybody uses to when they start. -00:07:45.660 --> 00:07:46.100 +00:07:44.200 --> 00:07:46.100 But as I went along, I realized, -00:07:47.860 --> 00:07:48.240 +00:07:46.100 --> 00:07:48.240 you know, I've got such a grasp of the topic -00:07:50.660 --> 00:07:51.080 +00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.080 that I really everything I do now is prepared -00:07:53.220 --> 00:07:53.720 +00:07:51.080 --> 00:07:53.720 in Emacs in an interactive way so I start -00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:55.480 +00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.480 saying a few words and then the students -00:07:57.840 --> 00:07:58.000 +00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:58.000 immediately we get to work and they seem to -00:07:59.640 --> 00:07:59.840 +00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:59.840 love that because in most of the other -00:08:01.460 --> 00:08:01.680 +00:07:59.840 --> 00:08:01.680 classes people just talk at them they take -00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:03.500 +00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.500 their stuff home and work at home, -00:08:04.640 --> 00:08:05.140 +00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.140 which is of course is super. -00:08:06.220 --> 00:08:06.680 +00:08:05.380 --> 00:08:06.680 But most of the students, -00:08:08.320 --> 00:08:08.600 +00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:08.600 if they have, in at least in a liberal arts -00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:10.220 +00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:10.220 college, they have 5 other classes, -00:08:13.200 --> 00:08:13.520 +00:08:10.440 --> 00:08:13.520 they do not take a lot of time to do the work -00:08:16.389 --> 00:08:16.880 +00:08:13.520 --> 00:08:16.880 at home. So it's, you know, -00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:18.840 +00:08:16.880 --> 00:08:18.840 yeah, It's kind of different. -00:08:19.820 --> 00:08:20.020 +00:08:18.840 --> 00:08:20.020 It's kind of risky, yeah, -00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:22.360 +00:08:20.020 --> 00:08:22.360 but the main point I was trying to make is -00:08:26.320 --> 00:08:26.740 +00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.740 Emacs and Org Mode really helped me to boil -00:08:28.780 --> 00:08:29.220 +00:08:26.740 --> 00:08:29.220 that interactive session down to something -00:08:30.320 --> 00:08:30.800 +00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:30.800 that will work in the classroom. -00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:32.559 +00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:32.559 I don't have to jump around between -00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:33.740 +00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:33.740 platforms. For example, -00:08:35.659 --> 00:08:35.799 +00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:35.799 this term, and I didn't use Emacs in the -00:08:36.419 --> 00:08:36.919 +00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:36.919 class with the students, -00:08:39.740 --> 00:08:40.240 +00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:40.240 I had to render using a package. -00:08:42.169 --> 00:08:42.299 +00:08:40.760 --> 00:08:42.299 It's actually a very nice package called, -00:08:45.620 --> 00:08:46.100 +00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:46.100 what's it called? Ox, what's it called? -00:08:50.020 --> 00:08:50.520 +00:08:46.100 --> 00:08:50.520 Ox, Ox IPNB. It's called Ox IPNB. -00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:53.360 +00:08:50.580 --> 00:08:53.360 So what it does is it renders in the usual -00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:55.580 +00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.580 way with Emacs, Org Mode does, -00:08:58.580 --> 00:08:58.700 +00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.700 renders interactive notebook files in -00:09:00.560 --> 00:09:01.060 +00:08:58.700 --> 00:09:01.060 Jupyter. And that took me a lot of time. -00:09:03.700 --> 00:09:03.840 +00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.840 And I immediately noticed as soon as the -00:09:05.680 --> 00:09:06.180 +00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.180 teacher has to fight platforms themselves, -00:09:09.520 --> 00:09:09.920 +00:09:06.660 --> 00:09:09.920 they take the ball off the immersion task, -00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:12.340 +00:09:09.920 --> 00:09:12.340 you know, to keep the student on the problem. -00:09:18.060 --> 00:09:18.560 +00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.560 [Speaker 0]: Yeah. Oh, go on, please. -00:09:22.340 --> 00:09:22.840 +00:09:19.400 --> 00:09:22.840 Yeah. I was going to remark that. -00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:23.260 +00:09:12.980 --> 00:09:23.260 [Speaker 1]: So yeah, absolutely. Yeah, -00:09:24.760 --> 00:09:25.120 +00:09:23.260 --> 00:09:25.120 I suppose it might be MIT style. -00:09:25.760 --> 00:09:26.140 +00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:26.140 Big difference though, -00:09:27.620 --> 00:09:27.900 +00:09:26.140 --> 00:09:27.900 my classes are very, very short, -00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:30.060 +00:09:27.900 --> 00:09:30.060 small. So I have like between 10 and 15 -00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:32.180 +00:09:30.060 --> 00:09:32.180 students per class. 1 of the reasons why I -00:09:34.800 --> 00:09:35.080 +00:09:32.180 --> 00:09:35.080 went to this college is because I was fed up -00:09:36.740 --> 00:09:36.940 +00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:36.940 teaching, trying to teach hundreds of -00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:40.580 +00:09:36.940 --> 00:09:40.580 students. Okay, sorry, -00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:42.520 +00:09:40.580 --> 00:09:42.520 do some of your students nag you about using -00:09:43.260 --> 00:09:43.460 +00:09:42.520 --> 00:09:43.460 VS Code? Yes, they do, -00:09:44.800 --> 00:09:45.300 +00:09:43.460 --> 00:09:45.300 but their arguments aren't very good. -00:09:48.420 --> 00:09:48.740 +00:09:46.800 --> 00:09:48.740 They hadn't really compared Emacs and VS -00:09:51.300 --> 00:09:51.800 +00:09:48.740 --> 00:09:51.800 Code. And what I do, actually I use RStudio -00:09:53.560 --> 00:09:53.860 +00:09:51.980 --> 00:09:53.860 as well, demonstrate VS Code, -00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:01.060 +00:09:53.860 --> 00:10:01.060 RStudio and Emacs. And I think it's very easy -00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:02.840 +00:10:01.060 --> 00:10:02.840 for them to see. And there are some videos -00:10:04.900 --> 00:10:05.020 +00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.020 about that as well, how much easier it is to -00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:08.520 +00:10:05.020 --> 00:10:08.520 get into Emacs to limit your investments to -00:10:09.520 --> 00:10:09.820 +00:10:08.520 --> 00:10:09.820 what you actually wanna do. -00:10:11.680 --> 00:10:11.840 +00:10:09.820 --> 00:10:11.840 When the problem with VS Code is it comes at -00:10:13.780 --> 00:10:14.280 +00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.280 you with this sort of Microsoft store -00:10:16.780 --> 00:10:17.280 +00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.280 ideology, like a gazillion plugins, -00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:18.840 +00:10:17.420 --> 00:10:18.840 which if you're a developer, -00:10:19.640 --> 00:10:20.140 +00:10:18.900 --> 00:10:20.140 you know what you want. -00:10:23.620 --> 00:10:24.120 +00:10:21.040 --> 00:10:24.120 And I mean, it's a bit like VS Code is like -00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:27.940 +00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.940 Google search for as if you were programming -00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:30.820 +00:10:27.980 --> 00:10:30.820 in Google search, a complete waste of time. -00:10:32.920 --> 00:10:33.280 +00:10:31.220 --> 00:10:33.280 Having said that, I've also seen some videos -00:10:35.900 --> 00:10:36.180 +00:10:33.280 --> 00:10:36.180 with people who really know how to use VS -00:10:37.040 --> 00:10:37.420 +00:10:36.180 --> 00:10:37.420 Code. And of course, you know, -00:10:40.940 --> 00:10:41.180 +00:10:37.420 --> 00:10:41.180 if somebody gets on the inside of a tool and -00:10:44.340 --> 00:10:44.480 +00:10:41.180 --> 00:10:44.480 spends upwards of a thousand hours in the -00:10:45.340 --> 00:10:45.840 +00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:45.840 tool, they'll be great. -00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:47.580 +00:10:45.920 --> 00:10:47.580 But that's not true for beginners. -00:10:50.280 --> 00:10:50.780 +00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:50.780 So hold on, there's another 1. -00:10:51.820 --> 00:10:52.320 +00:10:51.020 --> 00:10:52.320 I'm reading them, sorry. -00:10:54.920 --> 00:10:55.420 +00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.420 Leo, I can see the questions, -00:10:57.500 --> 00:10:58.000 +00:10:55.680 --> 00:10:58.000 but you may wanna turn them around. -00:11:00.520 --> 00:11:00.720 +00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:00.720 [Speaker 0]: No, No, no, please, please, -00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:01.560 +00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:01.560 you're free to read them. -00:11:02.400 --> 00:11:02.900 +00:11:01.560 --> 00:11:02.900 I'm on your fasted computer. -00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:04.600 +00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:04.600 [Speaker 1]: Some of you, too, that's the nagging. -00:11:05.660 --> 00:11:06.100 +00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:06.100 I teach simple programming at a vocational -00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:07.700 +00:11:06.100 --> 00:11:07.700 school, and even after showing the students -00:11:09.060 --> 00:11:09.520 +00:11:07.700 --> 00:11:09.520 Vim, Vim, of course, is a contender, -00:11:10.760 --> 00:11:11.260 +00:11:09.520 --> 00:11:11.260 and now I'm telling them I prefer Emacs. -00:11:14.060 --> 00:11:14.260 +00:11:12.180 --> 00:11:14.260 They still all choose VS Code as their -00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:17.460 +00:11:14.260 --> 00:11:17.460 editor. Well, okay, what I did is mandatory. -00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:19.140 +00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:19.140 I didn't let them choose. -00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:21.980 +00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:21.980 That's what I did. And I thought that was -00:11:23.300 --> 00:11:23.800 +00:11:21.980 --> 00:11:23.800 quite risky, but in the end, -00:11:26.140 --> 00:11:26.400 +00:11:23.860 --> 00:11:26.400 it turns out that the best students loved it -00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:28.580 +00:11:26.400 --> 00:11:28.580 and keep using Emacs in their jobs. -00:11:32.140 --> 00:11:32.640 +00:11:28.580 --> 00:11:32.640 I hear that now. The students in the middle -00:11:35.640 --> 00:11:35.860 +00:11:33.160 --> 00:11:35.860 were probably the ones who would pick VS Code -00:11:37.900 --> 00:11:38.400 +00:11:35.860 --> 00:11:38.400 because every tutorial they see, -00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:40.440 +00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.440 they learn a lot through YouTube and so -00:11:41.760 --> 00:11:42.260 +00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:42.260 everything they see is in VS Code. -00:11:43.780 --> 00:11:44.180 +00:11:42.260 --> 00:11:44.180 If there were more tutorials in Emacs, -00:11:45.100 --> 00:11:45.600 +00:11:44.180 --> 00:11:45.600 I'm trying to make some, -00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:47.620 +00:11:45.700 --> 00:11:47.620 then of course that would be different. -00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:53.940 +00:11:49.280 --> 00:11:53.940 But I think it's partly brainwashing and -00:11:55.680 --> 00:11:55.840 +00:11:53.940 --> 00:11:55.840 partly, of course, the other reason is there -00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:00.320 +00:11:55.840 --> 00:12:00.320 is no online Emacs. They use VS Code Dev, -00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:02.460 +00:12:00.500 --> 00:12:02.460 right? And that's, of course, -00:12:04.640 --> 00:12:05.140 +00:12:03.340 --> 00:12:05.140 they use an online cloud solution. -00:12:06.820 --> 00:12:07.040 +00:12:05.420 --> 00:12:07.040 Like most of the students in the high school, -00:12:08.860 --> 00:12:09.360 +00:12:07.040 --> 00:12:09.360 I teach Python in the high school right now, -00:12:11.460 --> 00:12:11.600 +00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.600 and the students only get Chromebooks that -00:12:13.660 --> 00:12:14.160 +00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.160 are completely cut down to nothing. -00:12:16.920 --> 00:12:17.420 +00:12:15.060 --> 00:12:17.420 They cannot have Linux on their Chromebooks. -00:12:19.540 --> 00:12:19.900 +00:12:18.260 --> 00:12:19.900 So what are they supposed to do? -00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:21.580 +00:12:19.900 --> 00:12:21.580 Their only choice really is Repl. -00:12:24.060 --> 00:12:24.240 +00:12:21.760 --> 00:12:24.240 Repl.com is a possibility for them to do -00:12:27.040 --> 00:12:27.540 +00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.540 that. But, you know, or they use code spaces, -00:12:29.060 --> 00:12:29.560 +00:12:27.660 --> 00:12:29.560 which is VS Code in GitHub. -00:12:32.300 --> 00:12:32.660 +00:12:31.400 --> 00:12:32.640 [Speaker 0]: Marcus, sorry for the interruption. -00:12:33.820 --> 00:12:34.040 +00:12:32.640 --> 00:12:34.040 We only have about 2 minutes left. -00:12:35.140 --> 00:12:35.380 +00:12:34.040 --> 00:12:35.380 So if you could take 1 question, -00:12:36.260 --> 00:12:36.760 +00:12:35.380 --> 00:12:36.760 that would be great. Sorry. -00:12:37.800 --> 00:12:38.100 +00:12:30.660 --> 00:12:38.100 [Speaker 1]: So. I'm observing the same behavior. -00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:40.080 +00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:40.080 Any more tutorials will be most welcome. -00:12:43.260 --> 00:12:43.660 +00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:43.660 Yes, I I'd love to. I spent the rest of my -00:12:45.980 --> 00:12:46.100 +00:12:43.660 --> 00:12:46.100 days on this earth making Emacs tutorials if -00:12:49.016 --> 00:12:49.267 +00:12:48.263 --> 00:12:49.267 [Speaker 0]: tutorials if I can. -00:12:49.518 --> 00:12:49.769 +00:12:46.100 --> 00:12:49.769 [Speaker 1]: I can. Thank you. DMAX Thank you. -00:12:50.540 --> 00:12:51.040 +00:12:49.769 --> 00:12:51.040 Approach to handling EDA. -00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:52.700 +00:12:51.140 --> 00:12:52.700 Oh yeah, with white data sets. -00:12:58.440 --> 00:12:58.940 +00:12:56.760 --> 00:12:58.940 Well, that's a good point. -00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:03.260 +00:13:01.500 --> 00:13:03.260 [Speaker 0]: So Markus, I don't want to put you under too -00:13:06.180 --> 00:13:06.680 +00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.680 [Speaker 1]: answer the question. The handling EDA, -00:13:08.460 --> 00:13:08.760 +00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:08.760 I don't know, if you look at the comments, -00:13:09.560 --> 00:13:09.960 +00:13:08.760 --> 00:13:09.960 I think these are on YouTube, -00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:11.340 +00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:11.340 right, at some point, Leo? -00:13:12.380 --> 00:13:12.600 +00:13:03.260 --> 00:13:12.600 [Speaker 0]: much pressure to Oh yes, -00:13:13.580 --> 00:13:13.860 +00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:13.860 they will definitely be on YouTube. -00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:14.540 +00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:14.540 answer the -00:13:15.420 --> 00:13:15.580 +00:13:13.860 --> 00:13:15.580 [Speaker 1]: I'm going to question you asked about the -00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:17.560 +00:13:15.580 --> 00:13:17.560 EDA, that's too long to go into right now, -00:13:20.740 --> 00:13:21.100 +00:13:17.560 --> 00:13:21.100 plus my cat is here. So I'm going to answer -00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:22.620 +00:13:21.100 --> 00:13:22.620 that in the comments, all right? -00:13:23.660 --> 00:13:24.160 +00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:24.160 Start up the conversation. -00:13:27.400 --> 00:13:27.800 +00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.800 Yes, I'm going to post that in the comments -00:13:27.980 --> 00:13:28.480 +00:13:27.800 --> 00:13:28.480 as well. -00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:31.500 +00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.500 [Speaker 0]: Sure, but Also, just to be clear, -00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:32.640 +00:13:31.500 --> 00:13:32.640 Marcus, you're going to continue the -00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:35.440 +00:13:32.640 --> 00:13:35.440 discussion. It's just a stream that will be -00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:37.160 +00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.160 moving on to the next talk in about 50 -00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:39.380 +00:13:37.160 --> 00:13:39.380 seconds. Marcus, feel free to keep answering -00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:40.760 +00:13:39.380 --> 00:13:40.760 questions inside this room. -00:13:42.280 --> 00:13:42.780 +00:13:40.760 --> 00:13:42.780 You also have people, we're going to check -00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:44.540 +00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:44.540 aside with the stream, -00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:46.280 +00:13:44.540 --> 00:13:46.280 we have a number of people in the room. -00:13:47.800 --> 00:13:48.300 +00:13:46.280 --> 00:13:48.300 You can see them on the left on the button -00:13:50.860 --> 00:13:51.360 +00:13:48.640 --> 00:13:51.360 who are probably going to unmute themselves -00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:52.580 +00:13:51.460 --> 00:13:52.580 and ask you questions. -00:13:53.940 --> 00:13:54.440 +00:13:52.740 --> 00:13:54.440 So feel free to stay in the room, -00:13:56.680 --> 00:13:57.100 +00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.100 answer as lengthy as you want the questions -00:13:58.520 --> 00:13:58.700 +00:13:57.100 --> 00:13:58.700 because that's more content for us and we -00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:01.640 +00:13:58.700 --> 00:14:01.640 love it obviously. But it's just that I -00:14:03.640 --> 00:14:03.760 +00:14:01.640 --> 00:14:03.760 personally will be leaving to take care of -00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:04.860 +00:14:03.760 --> 00:14:04.860 the rest of the talks. -00:14:06.660 --> 00:14:06.880 +00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:06.880 So, Markus, do you have any last words before -00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:07.740 +00:14:06.880 --> 00:14:07.740 we move on? -00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:09.680 +00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.680 [Speaker 1]: No, just thank you for this wonderful... -00:14:10.580 --> 00:14:11.080 +00:14:09.680 --> 00:14:11.080 I'm going to copy this. -00:14:13.100 --> 00:14:13.280 +00:14:11.660 --> 00:14:13.280 I don't think I listened to the talk by -00:14:15.040 --> 00:14:15.200 +00:14:13.280 --> 00:14:15.200 Sascha yet, but I'm going to do that because -00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:18.080 +00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:18.080 I really want to copy this conference format. -00:14:19.740 --> 00:14:19.860 +00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:19.860 I think that is the conference format of the -00:14:21.420 --> 00:14:21.820 +00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:21.820 future, using volunteers to put together -00:14:22.860 --> 00:14:23.100 +00:14:21.820 --> 00:14:23.100 conferences. So I can't wait. -00:14:24.560 --> 00:14:24.720 +00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.720 Nobody wants to come to Batesville where I -00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:25.840 +00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:25.840 am, but thank you so much. -00:14:26.680 --> 00:14:27.180 +00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:27.180 That was really super professional. -00:14:27.540 --> 00:14:28.040 +00:14:27.180 --> 00:14:28.040 I love that. -00:14:31.920 --> 00:14:32.420 +00:14:28.980 --> 00:14:32.420 [Speaker 0]: Great. Okay, we are almost perfectly on time. -00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:35.420 +00:14:32.420 --> 00:14:35.420 I think we caught up about 1 or 2 seconds -00:14:36.820 --> 00:14:37.200 +00:14:35.420 --> 00:14:37.200 into the last sentence you said but otherwise -00:14:38.800 --> 00:14:38.960 +00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:38.960 we were splendidly on time. -00:14:39.760 --> 00:14:40.260 +00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:40.260 So thank you so much Marcus. -00:14:42.940 --> 00:14:43.140 +00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.140 [Speaker 1]: You're welcome. So I wanted to say a little -00:14:46.160 --> 00:14:46.660 +00:14:43.140 --> 00:14:46.660 bit about that question about handling EDA. -00:14:52.680 --> 00:14:52.960 +00:14:51.220 --> 00:14:52.960 [Speaker 0]: Can you see the chat on the left? -00:14:54.220 --> 00:14:54.720 +00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:54.720 Because people have started asking questions -00:14:55.680 --> 00:14:56.180 +00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:56.180 on the left. Can you see the chat? -00:14:56.366 --> 00:14:56.866 +00:14:49.460 --> 00:14:56.866 [Speaker 1]: I mean I used email. Sorry, -00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:00.820 +00:14:58.860 --> 00:15:00.820 [Speaker 0]: So you've got multiple avenues for questions. -00:15:01.093 --> 00:15:01.166 +00:15:01.020 --> 00:15:01.166 [Speaker 2]: You can -00:15:01.880 --> 00:15:02.380 +00:15:01.166 --> 00:15:02.380 [Speaker 0]: still answer questions in the chat. -00:15:03.540 --> 00:15:03.760 +00:14:57.053 --> 00:15:03.760 [Speaker 1]: sorry, sorry. Okay, I'm just going to go into -00:15:04.740 --> 00:15:05.240 +00:15:03.760 --> 00:15:05.240 that. Yeah, that's fine. -00:15:06.420 --> 00:15:06.760 +00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:06.760 [Speaker 0]: Sure, I'll need to go now. -00:15:08.260 --> 00:15:08.560 +00:15:06.760 --> 00:15:08.560 So Marcus, have a great day and I'll probably -00:15:08.860 --> 00:15:09.360 +00:15:08.560 --> 00:15:09.360 see you later. -NOTE Start of section to review - -00:15:11.780 --> 00:15:12.280 +00:15:10.160 --> 00:15:12.280 [Speaker 1]: Yeah, thank you. Sorry. -00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:15.620 +00:15:13.140 --> 00:15:15.620 Bye bye. There was a question about the, -00:15:17.280 --> 00:15:17.560 +00:15:15.620 --> 00:15:17.560 I wanted to ask the answer the question about -00:15:21.380 --> 00:15:21.760 +00:15:17.560 --> 00:15:21.760 EDA, large data sets. So, -00:15:24.160 --> 00:15:24.660 +00:15:21.760 --> 00:15:24.660 I mean, I teach undergraduate now, -00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:28.100 +00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:28.100 so there's a limited number of courses, -00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:32.360 +00:15:28.660 --> 00:15:32.360 like where I use, actually have big data -00:15:35.860 --> 00:15:36.100 +00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:36.100 issues. And I mean I'm not saying that I'm -00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:38.760 +00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:38.760 not that I don't run into performance issues -00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:40.580 +00:15:38.760 --> 00:15:40.580 with Emacs. I obviously do. -00:15:43.380 --> 00:15:43.680 +00:15:40.680 --> 00:15:43.680 But like the performance issues in Emacs are -00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:45.780 +00:15:43.680 --> 00:15:45.780 comparable to performance issues for example -00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:49.580 +00:15:45.780 --> 00:15:49.580 when using R. In R everything is in memory So -00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:52.700 +00:15:49.640 --> 00:15:52.700 you are limited to the available, -00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:56.020 +00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.020 what is it, 2 gigabyte or whatever memory of -00:15:57.720 --> 00:15:58.180 +00:15:56.020 --> 00:15:58.180 your computer. So you would have to find -00:15:59.860 --> 00:16:00.360 +00:15:58.180 --> 00:16:00.360 other infrastructure solutions anyway. -00:16:05.540 --> 00:16:05.860 +00:16:00.660 --> 00:16:05.860 The advantage of using Emacs is that I can, -00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:07.620 +00:16:05.860 --> 00:16:07.620 within 1 Org Mode file, -00:16:09.780 --> 00:16:10.280 +00:16:08.140 --> 00:16:10.220 connect to an external database. -00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:13.840 +00:16:11.760 --> 00:16:13.840 I can even, as probably most of you know, -00:16:17.500 --> 00:16:17.860 +00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:17.860 I can even use it as a text-based web browser -00:16:20.140 --> 00:16:20.640 +00:16:17.860 --> 00:16:20.640 if I want to. So I could look at individual -00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:26.780 +00:16:22.940 --> 00:16:26.820 files. And the other point of EDA of course -00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:30.640 +00:16:26.820 --> 00:16:30.640 is that you're not supposed to look at the -00:16:32.760 --> 00:16:33.260 +00:16:30.640 --> 00:16:33.260 tables. You're supposed to get the basic -00:16:40.800 --> 00:16:41.300 +00:16:38.620 --> 00:16:41.300 frame of your data. Is there a header? -00:16:43.540 --> 00:16:43.780 +00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:43.780 What's the approximate size and stuff like -00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:45.980 +00:16:43.780 --> 00:16:45.940 that? And then you're supposed to import it -00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:47.580 +00:16:45.940 --> 00:16:47.580 into a data frame ideally, -00:16:50.760 --> 00:16:51.260 +00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:51.260 at least in portions. And I don't think, -00:16:56.040 --> 00:16:56.260 +00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.260 yeah, so that's it. But the full answer is -00:16:59.720 --> 00:16:59.980 +00:16:56.260 --> 00:16:59.980 that I have not done big data analysis in -00:17:01.780 --> 00:17:02.280 +00:16:59.980 --> 00:17:02.280 Emacs. So that's actually a really nice -00:17:05.900 --> 00:17:06.099 +00:17:02.380 --> 00:17:06.060 extension. I'm going to write that down as a -00:17:07.900 --> 00:17:08.260 +00:17:06.060 --> 00:17:08.260 thing to talk about in some future talk. -00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:10.819 +00:17:08.260 --> 00:17:10.819 Okay, so ADA with big data. -00:17:13.579 --> 00:17:13.940 +00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:13.940 Even though interesting would be to know what -00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:16.560 +00:17:13.940 --> 00:17:16.560 kind of size of data you're actually talking -00:17:18.800 --> 00:17:19.300 +00:17:16.560 --> 00:17:19.300 about. So I don't know, -00:17:25.740 --> 00:17:25.940 +00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:25.940 what is it, upwards of 1 terabyte or -00:17:27.099 --> 00:17:27.520 +00:17:25.940 --> 00:17:27.520 something like that, I don't know. -00:17:28.520 --> 00:17:29.020 +00:17:27.520 --> 00:17:29.020 That'd be interesting to know. -00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:34.940 +00:17:31.560 --> 00:17:34.940 Haven't done that in class. -00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:40.460 +00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.460 So there's another question. -00:17:42.840 --> 00:17:43.020 +00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.020 Proportion of students that you think would -00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:44.820 +00:17:43.020 --> 00:17:44.820 keep on using Emacs after your course? -00:17:45.660 --> 00:17:46.000 +00:17:44.820 --> 00:17:46.000 That's not a difficult question, -00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:47.880 +00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.880 because as I said, I have very small classes. -00:17:48.760 --> 00:17:49.200 +00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.200 I've been here since 2 years. -00:17:51.040 --> 00:17:51.540 +00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:51.540 So I'm in touch with almost all the students. -00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:54.760 +00:17:51.580 --> 00:17:54.760 In fact, I'm getting them work after school. -00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:55.980 +00:17:54.760 --> 00:17:55.980 So that's really cool. -00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:00.660 +00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:00.660 And everybody who took to Emacs really -00:18:03.540 --> 00:18:03.900 +00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:03.900 seriously, so probably about 25% or so keep -00:18:05.660 --> 00:18:06.160 +00:18:03.900 --> 00:18:06.160 using Emacs after, afterwards. -00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:08.360 +00:18:06.560 --> 00:18:08.360 I mean, even in the job, -00:18:09.580 --> 00:18:10.080 +00:18:08.360 --> 00:18:10.080 right, in the professional field. -00:18:12.900 --> 00:18:13.080 +00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:13.080 Who, those who keep using Emacs after the -00:18:14.760 --> 00:18:15.180 +00:18:13.080 --> 00:18:15.180 course, I think the number is greater, -00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:16.920 +00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:16.920 but I have not followed up on that. -00:18:22.800 --> 00:18:23.140 +00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:23.140 I have to, my guess is more than half, -00:18:24.860 --> 00:18:25.360 +00:18:23.140 --> 00:18:25.360 I would say, half or more than half. -00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:27.880 +00:18:26.660 --> 00:18:27.880 Oh, Aaron, thank you so much. -00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:31.320 +00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:31.320 That's very sweet. But I didn't think the -00:18:32.080 --> 00:18:32.300 +00:18:31.320 --> 00:18:32.300 presentation was great. -00:18:33.700 --> 00:18:33.840 +00:18:32.300 --> 00:18:33.840 I was thinking about redoing it, -00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:35.700 +00:18:33.840 --> 00:18:35.700 but this is actually the first take. -00:18:38.360 --> 00:18:38.860 +00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:38.860 It was late, I had lots of other stuff to do. -00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:44.700 +00:18:40.840 --> 00:18:44.700 I think what I'm more interested in than -00:18:46.760 --> 00:18:47.260 +00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:47.260 papers is probably this idea of making -00:18:50.860 --> 00:18:51.020 +00:18:48.320 --> 00:18:51.020 Emacs-based data science videos because there -00:18:51.840 --> 00:18:52.120 +00:18:51.020 --> 00:18:52.120 aren't many out there. -00:18:53.100 --> 00:18:53.600 +00:18:52.120 --> 00:18:53.600 Most of the people who do, -00:18:56.980 --> 00:18:57.240 +00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.240 and computer science, most people who do that -00:18:59.060 --> 00:18:59.240 +00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.240 are not either developers and certainly not -00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:02.080 +00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.080 teachers. So I think that's a good idea. -00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:03.740 +00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:03.740 I'm gonna pick that up. -00:19:15.040 --> 00:19:15.540 +00:19:03.860 --> 00:19:15.540 So to do more Remax based data science videos -00:19:19.700 --> 00:19:20.200 +00:19:19.120 --> 00:19:20.200 Is there anything else? -00:19:22.260 --> 00:19:22.360 +00:19:20.800 --> 00:19:22.360 More people. There are some people here in -00:19:22.800 --> 00:19:23.300 +00:19:22.360 --> 00:19:23.300 the room still. -00:19:25.600 --> 00:19:26.100 +00:19:23.800 --> 00:19:26.100 [Speaker 2]: If you do a PSVL on work. -00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:31.140 +00:19:27.040 --> 00:19:31.140 What? Or wiki. What's my YouTube channel? -00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:36.220 +00:19:34.460 --> 00:19:36.220 [Speaker 1]: Oh, yeah, I'm going to give you the, -00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:38.520 +00:19:36.560 --> 00:19:38.520 I've got a bunch of different YouTube -00:19:40.580 --> 00:19:40.720 +00:19:38.520 --> 00:19:40.720 channels. I'm going to put them in the -00:19:42.740 --> 00:19:43.240 +00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:43.240 comments to my talk. Hold on, -00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:46.500 +00:19:43.660 --> 00:19:46.500 the 1 where I have the latest Emacs videos, -00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:48.740 +00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:48.740 you find my name, there's nobody in the world -00:19:50.560 --> 00:19:51.060 +00:19:48.740 --> 00:19:51.060 with my name. So if you look for Gerten Krag -00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:55.740 +00:19:52.120 --> 00:19:55.740 on YouTube, then you will find it. -00:20:00.060 --> 00:20:00.320 -[Speaker 2]: But I got a bunch of them. +00:19:59.120 --> 00:20:00.300 +But I got a bunch of them. -00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:01.940 +00:20:00.300 --> 00:20:01.900 Hold on, I'm going to give you the... -00:20:19.540 --> 00:20:20.040 -[Speaker 1]: My channel. Okay, This 1 has only got a few +00:20:13.260 --> 00:20:20.040 +My channel. Okay, This 1 has only got a few -00:20:23.800 --> 00:20:24.300 +00:20:20.220 --> 00:20:24.300 videos. But so there's 1 with a lot more. -00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:32.720 +00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:32.720 Few recent videos. And I'm going to post -00:20:41.120 --> 00:20:41.320 +00:20:32.740 --> 00:20:41.320 more. Other ones in the comments of this -00:20:43.840 --> 00:20:44.340 +00:20:41.320 --> 00:20:44.320 video. Okay, what else? -00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:51.140 +00:20:48.780 --> 00:20:51.140 I'm trying to find my way back to the button. -00:20:58.980 --> 00:20:59.200 +00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:59.200 Okay, cool. Oh, yes, thank you. -00:21:01.220 --> 00:21:01.500 +00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.500 I will. That's very good. -00:21:02.780 --> 00:21:03.120 +00:21:01.500 --> 00:21:03.120 Thank you so much. Of course, -00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:05.940 +00:21:03.120 --> 00:21:05.940 I use Vork. I hadn't even thought of it. -00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:15.140 +00:21:06.360 --> 00:21:15.140 Very good. It's interesting, -00:21:17.520 --> 00:21:18.020 +00:21:15.860 --> 00:21:18.020 that's something that comes to my mind. -00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:19.700 +00:21:18.120 --> 00:21:19.700 When I was a young student, -00:21:23.800 --> 00:21:24.020 +00:21:19.740 --> 00:21:24.020 right, people who used Emacs and the web -00:21:25.420 --> 00:21:25.920 +00:21:24.020 --> 00:21:25.920 wasn't particularly large. -00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:29.440 +00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:29.440 So the volunteers would automatically make -00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:31.420 +00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.420 videos but not for commercial purposes. -00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:34.740 +00:21:31.560 --> 00:21:34.740 Now you have an army of people who make -00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:37.700 +00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:37.700 commercial videos and the videos are usually -00:21:40.560 --> 00:21:41.040 +00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.020 good for the first 10% of every content, -00:21:42.340 --> 00:21:42.540 +00:21:41.040 --> 00:21:42.540 but as soon as it gets a little more -00:21:44.620 --> 00:21:44.760 +00:21:42.540 --> 00:21:44.760 difficult, they either don't know what to do -00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:48.600 +00:21:44.760 --> 00:21:48.600 anymore or they don't do it because it's not -00:21:50.820 --> 00:21:50.980 +00:21:48.600 --> 00:21:50.980 commercially viable. The number of people who -00:21:53.520 --> 00:21:53.680 +00:21:50.980 --> 00:21:53.720 move on is gets smaller and smaller and -00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:55.740 +00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:55.740 smaller. So there's no commerce anymore. -00:21:57.340 --> 00:21:57.840 +00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:57.840 But when I was a student, -00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:00.980 +00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:01.020 pretty much all the documentation everywhere -00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:02.380 +00:22:01.100 --> 00:22:02.360 was created by volunteers, -00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:04.840 +00:22:02.500 --> 00:22:04.840 just like this conference or like anything in -00:22:09.320 --> 00:22:09.480 +00:22:04.840 --> 00:22:09.520 org mode. And that doesn't seem to be much of -00:22:12.260 --> 00:22:12.760 +00:22:09.520 --> 00:22:12.760 a trend anymore, but maybe we can resurrect -00:22:22.360 --> 00:22:22.500 -it. So, yes, I'm definitely going to - -00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:25.840 -contribute to that. Multiple people are +00:22:12.860 --> 00:22:22.960 +it. So yes, I'm definitely gonna contribute -00:22:30.540 --> 00:22:31.040 -typing here. Oh, sorry. +00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.760 +to that. Multiple people are typing here. -00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:36.180 -Yes. Thank you so much. +00:22:30.280 --> 00:22:36.180 +Oh, sorry. Yes. Thank you so much. -00:22:40.760 --> 00:22:40.920 +00:22:37.060 --> 00:22:40.920 I'm gonna put that, I'm gonna rectify that in -00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:45.260 +00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.260 the comment. Having said that, -00:22:49.320 --> 00:22:49.820 +00:22:45.260 --> 00:22:49.820 I am not 100% sure that I didn't lie here. -00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:52.760 +00:22:50.500 --> 00:22:52.760 May just be because I didn't have much time -00:22:53.860 --> 00:22:54.340 +00:22:52.760 --> 00:22:54.340 to put the presentation together. -00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:56.820 +00:22:54.340 --> 00:22:56.820 And it's perfectly possible that that's -00:22:59.280 --> 00:22:59.780 +00:22:56.820 --> 00:22:59.760 actually Google slides and not all reveal. -00:23:02.120 --> 00:23:02.320 +00:23:00.040 --> 00:23:02.360 In the classroom when I present and just do -00:23:03.600 --> 00:23:04.100 +00:23:02.360 --> 00:23:04.100 lectures, I always do reveal, -00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:07.900 +00:23:04.600 --> 00:23:07.900 but most of the time I do a tree slide. -00:23:10.520 --> 00:23:10.840 +00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.840 That's the quickest way to do it for me. -00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:15.060 +00:23:10.840 --> 00:23:15.060 So, so presentation. Hold on, -00:23:16.080 --> 00:23:16.580 +00:23:15.060 --> 00:23:16.580 Let me just copy this 1. -00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:20.820 +00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:20.780 Make sure that this doesn't get lost. -00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:23.200 +00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:23.220 Thank you so much for that. -00:23:25.600 --> 00:23:26.100 +00:23:24.280 --> 00:23:26.100 And presentations in class. -00:23:29.820 --> 00:23:30.320 +00:23:28.780 --> 00:23:30.320 I use sometimes org-present, -00:23:32.360 --> 00:23:32.860 +00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:32.860 but there are issues with the font sometimes. -00:23:36.560 --> 00:23:36.960 +00:23:33.740 --> 00:23:36.960 I use Treeslide most of the time and Org -00:23:44.220 --> 00:23:44.720 +00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:44.740 [Speaker 2]: tool. -00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:46.780 +00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:46.780 [Speaker 1]: Reveal. But this 1 is my top Of course, -00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:49.140 +00:23:46.780 --> 00:23:49.140 this is not org, so forget about that. -00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:08.220 +00:24:02.660 --> 00:24:08.220 Okay. Yeah, so you can send me your, -00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:12.160 +00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:12.160 you've got my email, I think, -00:24:13.780 --> 00:24:14.060 +00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:14.060 on the end, if you're interested in following -00:24:15.860 --> 00:24:16.360 +00:24:14.060 --> 00:24:16.360 up or letting me know about your stuff. -00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:18.220 +00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:18.220 It might be interesting to, -00:24:19.840 --> 00:24:20.060 +00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.040 I don't know, might be interesting to put -00:24:21.540 --> 00:24:22.040 +00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:22.040 together a conference or a little seminar -00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:23.000 +00:24:22.040 --> 00:24:22.980 just for educators. -00:24:38.770 --> 00:24:39.025 +00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:39.025 DF is still typing, I'm waiting. -00:24:39.280 --> 00:24:39.780 +00:24:39.025 --> 00:24:39.780 I'm waiting. -00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:46.420 +00:24:44.840 --> 00:24:46.400 [Speaker 2]: Actually, our mod maintainer, -00:24:51.860 --> 00:24:52.280 -Bastian, was talking about the possibility to +00:24:46.700 --> 00:24:52.340 +Bastien, was talking about possibility to -00:24:53.620 --> 00:24:54.120 -have just an Org Mod conference. +00:24:52.340 --> 00:24:54.120 +have just org mod conference. -00:24:59.020 --> 00:24:59.200 +00:24:55.760 --> 00:24:59.180 But the question is, is it worth making a -00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:02.940 -[Speaker 1]: A whole separate 1 what? +00:24:54.780 --> 00:25:02.940 +[Speaker 1]: Yeah. A whole separate 1 what? -00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:05.020 +00:24:59.180 --> 00:25:05.020 [Speaker 2]: whole separate 1? A whole separate org -00:25:09.100 --> 00:25:09.600 +00:25:07.120 --> 00:25:09.600 [Speaker 1]: Oh, I see. Yeah, probably would be. 00:25:10.840 --> 00:25:11.340 Actually. -00:25:13.660 --> 00:25:13.940 +00:25:05.020 --> 00:25:13.940 [Speaker 2]: dedicated conference. It's just like you see -00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:15.980 +00:25:13.940 --> 00:25:15.980 how EmacsConf is well done. -00:25:19.080 --> 00:25:19.440 -So it's like creating anything that as good +00:25:16.800 --> 00:25:19.340 +So it's like creating anything that has good -00:25:25.040 --> 00:25:25.540 +00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:25.540 [Speaker 1]: Yes. No, I think that's a good idea. -00:25:26.120 --> 00:25:26.620 +00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:26.620 Yeah, I mean. -00:25:30.100 --> 00:25:30.480 -[Speaker 2]: as tricky. I mean, Okay, +00:25:19.340 --> 00:25:30.480 +[Speaker 2]: is tricky. I mean, Okay, -00:25:32.560 --> 00:25:32.920 +00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.920 it's anywhere, like half of Emacs is anywhere -00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:36.880 +00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.880 remote. So it's almost the same. -00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:40.200 +00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:40.200 [Speaker 1]: Yeah. Well, I suppose at this point, -00:25:41.260 --> 00:25:41.580 -I don't know if that's what you mean, +00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.520 +I don't know if that's what you mean. -00:25:44.820 --> 00:25:45.040 +00:25:41.520 --> 00:25:45.020 Org Mode is probably what attracts people to -00:25:46.620 --> 00:25:47.060 +00:25:45.020 --> 00:25:47.040 Emacs in the first place. -00:25:50.540 --> 00:25:51.040 +00:25:47.040 --> 00:25:51.040 Like, I suppose Org Roam is the, -00:25:54.140 --> 00:25:54.600 +00:25:51.260 --> 00:25:54.600 maybe the biggest 1 for people even outside -00:25:57.540 --> 00:25:58.040 +00:25:54.600 --> 00:25:58.080 of computer science. I use Org.ROM -00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:07.560 -for everything. I think the maintainer or +00:25:58.280 --> 00:26:02.760 +for everything. But there are... + +00:26:04.760 --> 00:26:05.840 +I mean, the thresholds... -00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:09.140 -maybe the creator of Org.MODE +00:26:06.220 --> 00:26:07.900 +I think that the maintainer or maybe the -00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:11.740 -has claimed and said for many years that Org +00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:10.520 +creator of Org.MODE has claimed and said for -00:26:13.940 --> 00:26:14.220 -Mode itself doesn't actually necessarily need +00:26:10.520 --> 00:26:13.140 +many years that Org Mode itself doesn't -00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:16.940 -Emacs. You can have it as a completely +00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:14.680 +actually necessarily need Emacs. -00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:18.660 -separate application as well. +00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.360 +You can have it as a completely separate -00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:21.020 -But for a number of reasons, +00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:19.740 +application as well. But I, -00:26:23.300 --> 00:26:23.440 +00:26:19.760 --> 00:26:21.040 +for a number of reasons, + +00:26:21.040 --> 00:26:23.440 I don't like that. I really like the idea to -00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:30.660 +00:26:28.434 --> 00:26:30.620 [Speaker 2]: why- The current strategy is that It has to -00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:33.580 +00:26:30.620 --> 00:26:33.580 be Emacs because the configurability is 1 of -00:26:34.700 --> 00:26:35.140 +00:26:33.580 --> 00:26:35.140 the strong points anyway. -00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:35.800 +00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:35.820 [Speaker 1]: have it inside Emacs. The reason That's true. -00:26:37.120 --> 00:26:37.620 +00:26:35.820 --> 00:26:37.620 [Speaker 2]: You cannot make a separate application. -00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:39.800 -[Speaker 1]: No, that's true. I was going to say that. +00:26:37.840 --> 00:26:38.080 +No, + +00:26:38.080 --> 00:26:39.800 +[Speaker 1]: that's true. I was going to say that. -00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:41.460 +00:26:39.800 --> 00:26:41.500 The thing is you use the flexibility. -00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:43.220 +00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:43.220 Plus, you also use the, -00:26:45.800 --> 00:26:46.080 +00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.080 I don't know if that's the right word, -00:26:48.380 --> 00:26:48.760 +00:26:46.080 --> 00:26:48.760 but you use there's something about the free -00:26:52.420 --> 00:26:52.600 +00:26:48.760 --> 00:26:52.600 ideology of Emacs that is what attracted me -00:26:55.760 --> 00:26:56.260 +00:26:52.600 --> 00:26:56.260 to it in the first place when I was younger -00:26:59.620 --> 00:27:00.120 +00:26:56.460 --> 00:27:00.290 and that I find even more important now. -00:27:02.980 --> 00:27:03.480 +00:27:00.765 --> 00:27:03.520 So what they say the community aspect, -00:27:08.600 --> 00:27:08.800 +00:27:06.220 --> 00:27:08.800 the reason, the main reason why Python is so -00:27:12.620 --> 00:27:13.120 +00:27:08.800 --> 00:27:13.100 big today, really. So yeah. -00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:17.860 +00:27:15.060 --> 00:27:17.860 [Speaker 2]: But in terms of going out of Emacs, -00:27:20.800 --> 00:27:21.300 +00:27:17.860 --> 00:27:21.300 it's org syntax that is supposed to be like -00:27:22.760 --> 00:27:23.260 +00:27:21.820 --> 00:27:23.260 breaking out of Emacs. -00:27:28.340 --> 00:27:28.540 -Yeah. So like there's a plan to lay out the +00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.860 +So like there's a plan to lay out the actual -00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:30.920 -actual standard document so that you can +00:27:28.860 --> 00:27:31.420 +standard document so that you can register -00:27:32.040 --> 00:27:32.540 -register the format officially. +00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:32.540 +the format officially. -00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:34.760 -[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think I've heard that too. +00:27:23.860 --> 00:27:34.760 +[Speaker 1]: Yeah. Yeah, I think I've heard that too. -00:27:36.060 --> 00:27:36.560 +00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:36.560 I've not followed up on it much. -00:27:38.820 --> 00:27:39.320 +00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.320 I don't know what the, -00:27:40.760 --> 00:27:41.260 +00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:41.260 I mean, that probably would, -00:27:43.520 --> 00:27:43.780 -it would very likely, if you do that, +00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:43.040 +it would strength, very likely, -00:27:45.060 --> 00:27:45.380 -it would at least for a short time, +00:27:43.040 --> 00:27:45.100 +if you do that, it would at least for a short -00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:47.660 -strengthen org mode and weaken emacs. +00:27:45.100 --> 00:27:47.660 +time, strengthen org mode and weaken emacs. -00:27:50.380 --> 00:27:50.880 +00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:50.880 I don't know what other examples, -00:27:54.180 --> 00:27:54.680 +00:27:51.580 --> 00:27:54.660 if there are other examples of applications -00:27:57.560 --> 00:27:57.840 +00:27:55.120 --> 00:27:57.840 pulled out of IDEs like that. -00:27:58.940 --> 00:27:59.440 +00:27:57.840 --> 00:27:59.480 I'm not aware of any others. -00:28:02.420 --> 00:28:02.660 +00:28:00.300 --> 00:28:02.680 [Speaker 2]: Actually, people are trying to make -00:28:04.700 --> 00:28:04.920 -three-seater drama, people are trying to make +00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.920 +three-seater drama. People are trying to make -00:28:05.740 --> 00:28:06.120 +00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:06.240 like some external parsers, -00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:10.320 +00:28:06.460 --> 00:28:10.320 a lot of them. And a lot of stuff is done on -00:28:11.820 --> 00:28:12.320 -mobile part, like Android, +00:28:10.320 --> 00:28:12.940 +mobile part. I can draw it to iOS, -00:28:13.820 --> 00:28:14.320 -iOS, especially recently. +00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:17.780 +especially recently. So things that are Emacs -00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:18.980 -So things that are Emacs independent are +00:28:17.780 --> 00:28:19.780 +independent are demanded. -00:28:22.940 --> 00:28:23.040 +00:28:20.660 --> 00:28:23.040 [Speaker 1]: Okay, yeah. I have no doubt that there is a -00:28:26.120 --> 00:28:26.620 -[Speaker 2]: demanded. Especially in the environment, +00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:26.620 +[Speaker 2]: Especially in the environment, -00:28:27.540 --> 00:28:28.040 +00:28:27.040 --> 00:28:28.040 like every time. -00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:30.680 +00:28:23.040 --> 00:28:30.680 [Speaker 1]: demand. Yeah. I mean, I didn't get into that -00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:35.020 +00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:35.020 very much. I have some of my students have 0 -00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:36.900 +00:28:35.020 --> 00:28:36.900 affinity with computers. -00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:39.900 +00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.900 They really don't know their way around their -00:28:43.820 --> 00:28:44.320 +00:28:39.900 --> 00:28:44.320 computers at all. And so for them, -00:28:50.980 --> 00:28:51.440 +00:28:46.860 --> 00:28:51.440 It is quite important to learn how to find -00:28:56.380 --> 00:28:56.520 +00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:56.520 your way around Emacs because it's like a -00:28:57.320 --> 00:28:57.820 +00:28:56.520 --> 00:28:57.820 little operating system, -00:29:00.060 --> 00:29:00.300 +00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.300 but it's not. It's an operating system -00:29:03.460 --> 00:29:03.960 +00:29:00.300 --> 00:29:03.960 without much of the obscurity. -00:29:07.760 --> 00:29:07.960 +00:29:05.080 --> 00:29:07.960 And the alternative to that would be to -00:29:10.040 --> 00:29:10.520 +00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.520 simply let them work only on the command -00:29:11.980 --> 00:29:12.480 +00:29:10.520 --> 00:29:12.480 line, which is another possibility. -00:29:16.040 --> 00:29:16.160 +00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.160 But, you know, there of course you are -00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:20.520 +00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:20.540 limited with regard to if you want to swap -00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:23.500 +00:29:20.540 --> 00:29:23.500 languages. So for example, -00:29:25.900 --> 00:29:26.000 +00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:26.000 quite often I find myself in the situation I -00:29:28.660 --> 00:29:28.780 +00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.780 teach data science in R and Python and in -00:29:31.360 --> 00:29:31.520 +00:29:28.780 --> 00:29:31.520 Emacs org mode I can demonstrate both of -00:29:34.600 --> 00:29:35.100 +00:29:31.520 --> 00:29:35.100 these side by side in the same file. -00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:38.700 +00:29:35.280 --> 00:29:38.700 And that's a great advantage. -00:29:42.040 --> 00:29:42.540 +00:29:39.800 --> 00:29:42.540 Not to overburden the students when they are -00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:45.100 +00:29:43.060 --> 00:29:45.100 at the beginning with things that you don't -00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:47.620 +00:29:45.100 --> 00:29:47.620 want them to necessarily learn about. -00:29:50.560 --> 00:29:51.000 +00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.000 And plus the thing what I like as a graduate -00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:54.400 +00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:54.440 student when I stepped onto Emacs was that it -00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:00.140 +00:29:54.440 --> 00:30:00.140 was infinite possibilities to lose myself in -00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.060 +00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:03.060 Emacs and you know go on and learn more stuff -00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:06.340 +00:30:03.060 --> 00:30:06.680 about it. But it's such a long time ago that -00:30:09.860 --> 00:30:10.360 +00:30:07.300 --> 00:30:10.360 I barely dare to mention it anymore. -00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:12.880 +00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:12.880 [Speaker 2]: For command line, actually, -00:30:16.820 --> 00:30:17.080 +00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.080 it's since the Jupyter notebooks and that -00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:19.380 +00:30:17.080 --> 00:30:19.400 Google thing they are running. -00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:23.820 +00:30:20.820 --> 00:30:23.820 It's getting so popular that it's clear that -00:30:26.600 --> 00:30:26.760 +00:30:23.820 --> 00:30:26.760 command line is just losing in popularity in -00:30:31.420 --> 00:30:31.920 +00:30:28.580 --> 00:30:31.920 [Speaker 1]: well, yes and no. I mean, -00:30:32.860 --> 00:30:33.360 +00:30:26.760 --> 00:30:33.360 [Speaker 2]: this. Yeah, of course, -00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:38.400 +00:30:36.100 --> 00:30:38.400 Not the usage. People are still using it, 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:38.900 obviously. -00:30:40.520 --> 00:30:41.020 +00:30:39.520 --> 00:30:41.020 [Speaker 1]: I mean, in Google Colab, -00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:43.620 +00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.620 only the paid version allows you to go to the -00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:45.460 +00:30:43.620 --> 00:30:45.460 terminal and use the command line. -00:30:48.140 --> 00:30:48.580 +00:30:46.620 --> 00:30:48.580 But of course, the traction, -00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:50.140 +00:30:48.580 --> 00:30:50.140 and I think that's kind of interesting, -00:30:54.560 --> 00:30:54.680 +00:30:50.660 --> 00:30:54.680 1 of the reasons why IPython or any of the -00:30:56.780 --> 00:30:56.960 +00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:56.960 Jupyter notebooks are so cool is because you -00:30:59.440 --> 00:30:59.940 +00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.940 can use a lot of shell commands from the -00:31:04.620 --> 00:31:05.100 +00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:05.080 IPython shell. There's a whole bunch of magic -00:31:06.460 --> 00:31:06.960 +00:31:05.080 --> 00:31:07.000 commands which are quite powerful. -00:31:09.620 --> 00:31:10.120 -The 1 that comes to mind is a time, +00:31:07.040 --> 00:31:10.020 +I mean the the 1 that comes to mind is time. -00:31:11.820 --> 00:31:12.320 -the time command, for example, +00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.940 +The time command for example you know gives -00:31:13.580 --> 00:31:14.080 -you know, it gives you a really nice, +00:31:12.940 --> 00:31:15.720 +you a really nice performance quick -00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:16.800 -performance, quick performance check. +00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:17.660 +performance check. There's a bunch of -00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:18.120 -There's a bunch of different, +00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:19.780 +different, I think probably close to a -00:31:20.500 --> 00:31:20.900 -I think probably close to a hundred magic +00:31:19.780 --> 00:31:22.340 +hundred magic commands that you can use in -00:31:22.340 --> 00:31:22.840 -commands that you can use in Jupyter. +00:31:22.340 --> 00:31:25.600 +Jupyter. But I don't know JupyterLab too -00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:25.840 -But I don't know JupyterLab too well, +00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:28.840 +well, but I noticed that the companies that -00:31:28.840 --> 00:31:29.220 -but I noticed that the companies that do +00:31:28.840 --> 00:31:31.080 +do online training, And they are usually the -00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:31.080 -online training, And they are usually the - -00:31:34.600 --> 00:31:34.920 +00:31:31.080 --> 00:31:34.920 ones that are closest to what beginners want, -00:31:35.600 --> 00:31:36.100 +00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:36.100 especially in business. -00:31:40.780 --> 00:31:40.960 -And what those companies do is they take +00:31:36.280 --> 00:31:38.220 +And what those companies do is they, -00:31:43.040 --> 00:31:43.220 -JupiterLab and turn it into a presentation of +00:31:38.560 --> 00:31:41.720 +you know, they take, they take JupyterLab and -00:31:44.300 --> 00:31:44.800 -their own. Another 1 is Notable, +00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.740 +turn it into a presentation of their own. -00:31:47.380 --> 00:31:47.880 -notable.io. That's another 1. +00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:45.320 +Another 1 is Notable, notable.io. -00:31:50.280 --> 00:31:50.500 -They took JupyterLab and turned it into +00:31:46.840 --> 00:31:49.900 +That's another 1. They took JupyterLab and -00:31:52.080 --> 00:31:52.200 -something commercial. It's boosted up a +00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:51.320 +turned it into something commercial. -00:31:58.680 --> 00:31:58.860 -little bit. And so the shell inside the +00:31:51.340 --> 00:31:52.920 +It's boosted up a little bit. -00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:01.960 -JupyterLab has some of the most more +00:31:55.840 --> 00:32:00.480 +And so the shell inside the JupyterLab has -00:32:03.120 --> 00:32:03.620 -important shell properties. +00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.120 +some of the most more important shell -00:32:05.800 --> 00:32:06.000 -And so people still use the command line +00:32:03.120 --> 00:32:05.440 +properties. And so people still use the -00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:07.600 -without knowing that they use the command +00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.080 +command line without knowing that they use -00:32:12.600 --> 00:32:13.100 -line. But I also like doing, +00:32:07.080 --> 00:32:13.100 +the command line. But I also like doing, -00:32:14.820 --> 00:32:15.320 +00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.300 how do I use org-roam? -00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:22.020 +00:32:19.360 --> 00:32:22.020 Well, I use it, I do not have not used it -00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:23.000 +00:32:22.020 --> 00:32:23.000 with the students yet, -00:32:24.800 --> 00:32:25.020 +00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.020 only the best students have sort of seen me -00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:29.760 +00:32:25.020 --> 00:32:29.780 use it and copied it. But I use it probably -00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.000 +00:32:29.780 --> 00:32:32.000 in a very naive, trivial way. -00:32:33.080 --> 00:32:33.580 +00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.620 I can't say that I am, -00:32:36.460 --> 00:32:36.960 +00:32:34.300 --> 00:32:36.960 that I have a very sophisticated use. -00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:39.640 +00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.640 I basically, I like the fact that, -00:32:42.940 --> 00:32:43.100 +00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.100 I mean, it's built on the original concept of -00:32:44.280 --> 00:32:44.540 +00:32:43.100 --> 00:32:44.540 the, with the German word, -00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:48.280 +00:32:44.540 --> 00:32:48.280 Zettelkasten, right? Which is that you do not -00:32:50.780 --> 00:32:50.940 +00:32:48.280 --> 00:32:50.940 have to think about a taxonomy because as you -00:32:53.620 --> 00:32:53.800 +00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:53.800 move along, your taxonomy changes all the -00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:55.580 +00:32:53.800 --> 00:32:55.580 time. You know, what you think is important -00:32:56.820 --> 00:32:57.320 +00:32:55.580 --> 00:32:57.320 at the beginning, your root node, -00:32:58.480 --> 00:32:58.940 +00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:58.940 as you go along, you realize, -00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:00.600 +00:32:58.940 --> 00:33:00.680 oh, that's not the root node at all. -00:33:02.560 --> 00:33:02.720 -There's a higher level and a higher level and +00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:02.640 +There's a higher level and a higher level. -00:33:04.540 --> 00:33:04.780 -some of the lower levels aren't at the lower +00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.740 +And some of the lower levels are at the lower -00:33:05.860 --> 00:33:06.280 -level, they're actually at the higher level. +00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:06.300 +level, actually the higher level. -00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:10.460 +00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:10.460 So you're beginning to create hierarchies -00:33:13.940 --> 00:33:14.280 +00:33:10.760 --> 00:33:14.340 that are out of date as soon as you create -00:33:16.260 --> 00:33:16.360 +00:33:14.340 --> 00:33:16.360 the hierarchy. So what is the idea of the -00:33:18.340 --> 00:33:18.480 +00:33:16.360 --> 00:33:18.480 tittle custom is that anything that comes to -00:33:20.600 --> 00:33:21.100 +00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.100 your mind you can throw in the custom the box -00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:26.540 +00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:26.580 it literally means Box of notes and That's -00:33:27.560 --> 00:33:27.740 +00:33:26.580 --> 00:33:27.740 what I appreciate about it. -00:33:32.780 --> 00:33:32.920 +00:33:27.740 --> 00:33:32.920 So I create a I create a note pretty much for -00:33:35.280 --> 00:33:35.780 +00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.780 anything I do, but I've only used it for -00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:38.160 +00:33:35.860 --> 00:33:38.160 about a year and a half or so, -00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:39.740 +00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.740 or grown, maybe a year. -00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:43.700 +00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.700 So I can see that I'm coming up against the -00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:46.980 +00:33:43.700 --> 00:33:46.980 Zettelkasten or note box problems, -00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:50.860 +00:33:47.120 --> 00:33:50.860 which is that I've got so many notes now that -00:33:52.460 --> 00:33:52.960 +00:33:50.860 --> 00:33:52.960 unless I have clever aliases, -00:33:56.580 --> 00:33:56.680 +00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:56.680 there is a chance that I might forget that I -00:33:59.540 --> 00:34:00.040 -[Speaker 2]: That's why you need meta-notes. +00:33:58.820 --> 00:34:00.400 +[Speaker 2]: That's why you need meta notes. -00:34:01.100 --> 00:34:01.600 +00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:01.600 [Speaker 1]: have a note. So I need a- Yes, -00:34:04.420 --> 00:34:04.920 +00:34:02.780 --> 00:34:04.920 [Speaker 2]: In other words, a summarization is important, -00:34:06.300 --> 00:34:06.800 +00:34:04.940 --> 00:34:06.800 no matter what system you use. -00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:09.719 +00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:09.739 [Speaker 1]: yes. But what I'm trying to say is that's a -00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:11.260 +00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:11.260 different approach than hierarchies, -00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:13.580 +00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:13.620 right? It's the same, it's the same, -00:34:15.460 --> 00:34:15.960 +00:34:13.620 --> 00:34:15.960 it's the same principle as a relational -00:34:18.219 --> 00:34:18.719 +00:34:16.080 --> 00:34:18.719 database versus a hierarchical database. -00:34:23.179 --> 00:34:23.360 -Same thing. So, yeah, I've not used that. +00:34:19.120 --> 00:34:23.360 +Same thing. So, yeah, and I've not used that. -00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:25.400 +00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.400 I've not really used, actually I have cut -00:34:26.520 --> 00:34:27.020 +00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.020 meta notes, of course I do. -00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:28.940 +00:34:27.100 --> 00:34:29.000 So notes that point to other notes. -00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:32.320 +00:34:29.487 --> 00:34:34.924 Yes, of course. I use those. -00:34:32.780 --> 00:34:33.280 -I have forgotten that. - -00:34:38.300 --> 00:34:38.800 +00:34:35.412 --> 00:34:38.800 I have not taught that part to the students -00:34:42.340 --> 00:34:42.840 +00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.860 because I do project work with the students, -00:34:46.080 --> 00:34:46.360 +00:34:45.040 --> 00:34:46.320 but there's only so much time. -00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:48.219 +00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.219 I'm already, I mean, already, -00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:50.980 +00:34:48.340 --> 00:34:51.000 I don't think there's any class that where I -00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:55.820 +00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:55.860 am able to use more than 30% of my material. -00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:57.620 +00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:57.620 And the reason is that when the students come -00:34:59.120 --> 00:34:59.220 +00:34:57.620 --> 00:34:59.220 to class, which is I pointed out in the -00:35:00.600 --> 00:35:01.100 +00:34:59.220 --> 00:35:01.100 video, they know so little. -00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:03.720 +00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:03.720 And most of the students, -00:35:04.680 --> 00:35:04.960 +00:35:03.720 --> 00:35:04.960 at least in liberal arts, -00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:10.280 +00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:10.280 spend just too little time outside of class, -00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:11.600 +00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:11.600 getting there, you know, -00:35:12.660 --> 00:35:13.040 +00:35:11.600 --> 00:35:13.040 drilling down into the, -00:35:14.140 --> 00:35:14.640 +00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:14.640 into the, into the infrastructure, -00:35:16.700 --> 00:35:17.060 +00:35:14.860 --> 00:35:17.060 into the work. Only, only the best students -00:35:18.820 --> 00:35:19.320 +00:35:17.060 --> 00:35:19.320 do that. The ones that really catch fire. -00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:22.280 +00:35:20.080 --> 00:35:22.280 [Speaker 2]: Don't you have something like a course -00:35:23.260 --> 00:35:23.760 +00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:23.760 project at the end? -00:35:25.460 --> 00:35:25.760 +00:35:24.140 --> 00:35:25.760 [Speaker 1]: Yes, I have course, not at the end. -00:35:27.340 --> 00:35:27.720 +00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.720 I use Scrum. Maybe I shouldn't, -00:35:29.140 --> 00:35:29.640 +00:35:27.720 --> 00:35:29.640 but I've used Scrum for many years. -00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:32.600 +00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:32.600 So I have course projects that start at the -00:35:35.080 --> 00:35:35.320 +00:35:32.600 --> 00:35:35.280 beginning and they do sprint reviews every 3 -00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:40.640 +00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:40.640 or 4 weeks. So term end projects I find -00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:43.100 +00:35:40.640 --> 00:35:43.080 completely useless because the students do -00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:45.260 +00:35:43.080 --> 00:35:45.060 the work at the very end of the term. -00:35:49.600 --> 00:35:49.740 -[Speaker 2]: By term end I mean they don't start at the +00:35:46.220 --> 00:35:49.600 +[Speaker 2]: no, by determined I mean they don't start at -00:35:51.380 --> 00:35:51.880 -end, they just report at the end. +00:35:49.600 --> 00:35:51.880 +the end, they just report at the end. -00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:54.300 -[Speaker 1]: I use the IMRAD, I use the IMRAD method. +00:35:45.060 --> 00:35:52.960 +[Speaker 1]: And so I... Oh I use the IMRAD, -00:35:57.720 --> 00:35:58.220 +00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.300 +I use the IMRAD method. + +00:35:54.340 --> 00:35:58.160 So I use IMRAD, basically IMRAD plus, -00:35:59.900 --> 00:36:00.300 +00:35:58.700 --> 00:36:00.300 plus Scrum, right? So, -00:36:01.720 --> 00:36:02.220 +00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:02.220 So the first sprint review is introductory, -00:36:02.980 --> 00:36:03.480 +00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:03.480 the research proposal, -00:36:04.540 --> 00:36:05.040 +00:36:03.540 --> 00:36:05.040 the second 1 is about methodology, -00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:06.360 +00:36:05.060 --> 00:36:06.360 the third 1 about results, -00:36:07.540 --> 00:36:08.040 +00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.040 and the last 1 is their final presentation. -00:36:10.600 --> 00:36:11.100 +00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:11.100 And so that's the way I manage the projects, -00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:16.020 +00:36:11.160 --> 00:36:16.040 but that's about as much as I can do with -00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:17.680 +00:36:16.040 --> 00:36:17.640 them. It's a good idea. -00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:19.780 +00:36:17.640 --> 00:36:19.780 I hadn't even thought about using Org-ROM -00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:22.760 +00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:22.760 with them, but to teach them that might be a -00:36:23.680 --> 00:36:24.180 +00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:24.180 good idea, actually. -00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:27.220 +00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:27.220 [Speaker 2]: Well, for Org-ROM, actually, -00:36:32.060 --> 00:36:32.340 +00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:32.360 what I found useful during my graduate is for -00:36:34.240 --> 00:36:34.740 +00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.740 literature review. Yes. -00:36:37.080 --> 00:36:37.340 +00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.360 The other part of our program that is not -00:36:39.520 --> 00:36:40.020 -about your like, noting down your thoughts, +00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.580 +about your like noting down your thoughts is -00:36:42.340 --> 00:36:42.840 -is about writing about literature notes. +00:36:40.580 --> 00:36:42.900 +about writing about literature notes. -00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:45.180 -[Speaker 1]: Yeah, that's a good idea, +00:36:43.780 --> 00:36:45.480 +[Speaker 1]: Yeah, that's a good idea actually. -00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:46.060 -actually. And of course, +00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:46.320 +And of course, I mean, -00:36:47.660 --> 00:36:47.960 -I mean, there's more stuff that they should +00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.180 +there's more stuff that they should learn, -00:36:49.700 --> 00:36:50.140 -learn, you know, like another 1, +00:36:48.180 --> 00:36:50.140 +you know, like another 1, -00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:51.780 +00:36:50.140 --> 00:36:51.780 since you mentioned literature, -00:36:54.140 --> 00:36:54.640 +00:36:52.420 --> 00:36:54.640 you know, latex and Bibtech is another -00:36:57.340 --> 00:36:57.840 +00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.840 obvious extension of that. -00:37:01.020 --> 00:37:01.120 +00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:01.120 But that is actually a good idea because the -00:37:02.720 --> 00:37:03.080 +00:37:01.120 --> 00:37:03.080 literature is what they have the hardest time -00:37:06.560 --> 00:37:06.980 +00:37:04.640 --> 00:37:06.980 [Speaker 2]: Yeah, like when you need to read like 50 00:37:06.980 --> 00:37:07.480 papers. -00:37:12.260 --> 00:37:12.480 +00:37:03.080 --> 00:37:12.480 [Speaker 1]: with. Last term, since you mentioned that, -00:37:16.020 --> 00:37:16.220 +00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.220 I had a really nice experience because 1 of -00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:18.300 +00:37:16.220 --> 00:37:18.300 our librarians, our digital librarian, -00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:19.920 +00:37:18.420 --> 00:37:19.920 came along and talked to the students, -00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:21.580 +00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.580 and he taught me about a tool called -00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:23.540 +00:37:21.580 --> 00:37:23.540 litmap.com, which is basically, -00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:25.420 +00:37:24.140 --> 00:37:25.420 I don't know how it's implemented, -00:37:26.680 --> 00:37:27.180 +00:37:25.460 --> 00:37:27.180 but it's basically a graph, -00:37:31.380 --> 00:37:31.620 +00:37:28.140 --> 00:37:31.620 a graph representation of papers organized by -00:37:35.080 --> 00:37:35.580 +00:37:31.620 --> 00:37:35.580 citation. It's very, very cool. -00:37:38.160 --> 00:37:38.560 +00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:38.480 And the students who used to only find, -00:37:40.520 --> 00:37:41.020 +00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:41.080 I don't know, 1 paper and otherwise, -00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:44.940 +00:37:41.180 --> 00:37:44.880 of course, 15 YouTube videos and 100 blogs, -00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:49.360 +00:37:45.380 --> 00:37:49.360 suddenly started finding and reading -00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.120 +00:37:49.540 --> 00:37:52.120 scientific papers. It was only because of -00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:54.900 +00:37:52.120 --> 00:37:54.900 this presentation. So you should take the, -00:37:57.060 --> 00:37:57.560 +00:37:55.640 --> 00:37:57.580 I think, I hope that is the right, -00:37:59.060 --> 00:37:59.560 +00:37:58.320 --> 00:37:59.560 that's the right mode, -00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:02.380 +00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.380 litmaps. Okay, it's not litmap, -00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:05.640 +00:38:02.380 --> 00:38:05.640 it's called Litmaps. I'm gonna give you an -00:38:08.860 --> 00:38:09.000 +00:38:05.640 --> 00:38:09.000 example. I don't know if I can share this, -00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:10.240 +00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.240 if you can look at that. -00:38:13.140 --> 00:38:13.640 +00:38:10.240 --> 00:38:13.640 But basically you create a, -00:38:16.080 --> 00:38:16.580 +00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:16.580 1 can use 1 of your papers as a seed, -00:38:18.340 --> 00:38:18.840 +00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.840 and then it will create a graph, -00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:21.760 +00:38:19.660 --> 00:38:21.760 graph representation of it for you. -00:38:24.720 --> 00:38:25.220 +00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.220 And this is a powerful tool in itself. -00:38:27.100 --> 00:38:27.600 +00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:27.600 But what I'm saying is that the students -00:38:30.700 --> 00:38:30.860 +00:38:27.620 --> 00:38:30.900 suddenly, their use of literature and that -00:38:32.120 --> 00:38:32.620 +00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:32.560 citation goes to the roof. -00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:36.140 +00:38:33.080 --> 00:38:35.680 And I've been waiting for that for probably -00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:38.260 +00:38:36.140 --> 00:38:38.300 15 years since I've started teaching. -00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:43.400 -So it's crazy. That's really cool. +00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:43.420 +It's crazy. That's really cool. -00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:47.720 -[Speaker 2]: So here is the same tool, +00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:47.720 +[Speaker 2]: Here is the same tool, -00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:49.400 +00:38:47.720 --> 00:38:49.400 it's called connected papers. -00:38:53.040 --> 00:38:53.540 +00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.540 It's based on the open source citation data. -00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:56.340 +00:38:54.140 --> 00:38:56.340 [Speaker 1]: Yeah, I know that as well, -00:38:56.680 --> 00:38:57.180 +00:38:56.500 --> 00:38:57.180 I think. -00:39:01.240 --> 00:39:01.480 +00:39:00.060 --> 00:39:01.560 [Speaker 2]: It's actually very useful when you just start -00:39:03.680 --> 00:39:03.960 -learning the topic, it's like you find 1 +00:39:01.560 --> 00:39:03.960 +learning the topic. It's like you find 1 -00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:05.800 -paper, then you look into the connections, +00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:05.800 +paper, then you look into the connections. -00:39:07.900 --> 00:39:08.260 -you can quickly narrow down to the most +00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.260 +You can quickly narrow down to the most -00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:10.260 -cited, the core papers on the topic. +00:39:08.260 --> 00:39:09.500 +cited, the core papers. -00:39:12.340 --> 00:39:12.520 -[Speaker 1]: Of course, and that is exactly their +00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:12.500 +[Speaker 1]: Of course. And that is exactly their -00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:14.820 +00:39:12.500 --> 00:39:14.800 situation, you know, and they're always at -00:39:16.240 --> 00:39:16.740 +00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:16.740 the beginning. As you go on, -00:39:18.420 --> 00:39:18.680 +00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:18.680 you develop different ways, -00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:20.140 +00:39:18.680 --> 00:39:20.140 but for these complete beginners, -00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:22.680 +00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:22.680 that's a good idea. Thank you so much for -00:39:30.020 --> 00:39:30.520 -[Speaker 0]: anything else? +00:39:22.680 --> 00:39:30.520 +that. Okay, guys, anything else? -00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:31.940 -[Speaker 1]: that. Okay, guys, I've enjoyed the +00:39:31.240 --> 00:39:32.440 +I've enjoyed the conversation, -00:39:33.460 --> 00:39:33.960 -conversation, so you should definitely, +00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:33.960 +so you should definitely, -00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:37.940 +00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.940 I'm going to take some of these things away. -00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:42.280 +00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.340 Thank you so much for that. -00:39:45.240 --> 00:39:45.740 +00:39:42.340 --> 00:39:45.740 Have you done, Yanta, have you done org mode -00:39:47.700 --> 00:39:48.200 +00:39:46.300 --> 00:39:48.200 documentations yourself on WOC? -00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:52.120 +00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:52.120 Or do you have a sort of a favorite 1? -00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:53.600 +00:39:52.120 --> 00:39:53.600 I mean, I often on walk, -00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:56.740 +00:39:53.600 --> 00:39:56.740 I often use the documentation for code -00:39:59.440 --> 00:39:59.620 +00:39:56.740 --> 00:39:59.620 blocks. I used to when I started doing that -00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:02.800 +00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:02.800 [Speaker 2]: Yeah, because it's only on work. -00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:04.260 +00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.260 It's not part of the manual. -00:40:05.140 --> 00:40:05.280 +00:39:59.620 --> 00:40:05.280 [Speaker 1]: for the first time. Yeah, -00:40:06.940 --> 00:40:07.440 +00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.440 yeah. And so I've used that a lot. -00:40:09.060 --> 00:40:09.560 +00:40:07.780 --> 00:40:09.560 [Speaker 2]: Have I done? Not really, -00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:11.460 +00:40:09.720 --> 00:40:11.460 mostly fixing the errors. -00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:15.560 -Okay. Yeah, I think that's a really good +00:40:12.260 --> 00:40:12.760 +Okay. -00:40:15.560 --> 00:40:16.060 -idea. +00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.100 +[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I think that's a really good idea. -00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:19.780 -[Speaker 1]: All right. Well, thank you very much. +00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.780 +All right. Well, thank you very much. -00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:22.360 +00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.360 And it's great to be at this conference. -00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:24.440 +00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.440 I think I'm going to get on. -00:40:28.740 --> 00:40:29.240 +00:40:27.660 --> 00:40:29.240 [Speaker 2]: Thanks for answering all the questions. -00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:32.560 +00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.560 And for the talk, It was quite interesting to -00:40:35.160 --> 00:40:35.660 +00:40:32.560 --> 00:40:35.660 see our modules in actual teaching. -00:40:38.240 --> 00:40:38.560 +00:40:36.200 --> 00:40:38.600 [Speaker 1]: Yes, thank you. And I got to thank Daniel -00:40:40.600 --> 00:40:40.840 +00:40:38.600 --> 00:40:40.840 German from Canada, the 1 of, -00:40:43.580 --> 00:40:43.660 +00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.660 I had him on 1 of the slides because he, -00:40:45.140 --> 00:40:45.350 +00:40:43.660 --> 00:40:45.380 he inspired me to do that. -00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:47.540 +00:40:45.380 --> 00:40:47.540 And, and I wouldn't be at the conference if I -00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:49.480 +00:40:47.540 --> 00:40:49.480 hadn't contacted him and said oh here's my -00:40:50.860 --> 00:40:51.020 +00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:50.980 paper and he said oh you should come to the -00:40:52.540 --> 00:40:52.680 +00:40:50.980 --> 00:40:52.680 conference and so that's why I came to the -00:40:58.200 --> 00:40:58.480 +00:40:52.680 --> 00:40:58.480 conference. Thank you very much and as they -00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:04.104 +00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:04.100 say keep in touch. You're welcome. -00:41:04.836 --> 00:41:05.080 +00:41:04.100 --> 00:41:05.060 Okay bye-bye. You're welcome. -00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:15.820 +00:41:05.060 --> 00:41:15.820 Okay, bye-bye. Take a copy of the chat before -00:41:22.020 --> 00:41:22.360 +00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:22.360 you go, if you can. Happy weekend to just bye 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:22.860 bye. -00:41:36.660 --> 00:41:36.840 -[Speaker 2]: You are currently the only person in this +00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.840 +[Speaker 0]: You are currently the only person in this 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:37.340 conference. + +00:42:00.060 --> 00:42:00.560 +[Speaker 1]: You |