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+[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we're live. So whoever's in the
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+background might be able to see you live in
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+about 10 seconds as soon as the stream
+
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+catches up. Hi Jacob, how are you doing?
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+[Speaker 0]: Got that? We're live. I'm doing well.
+
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+How are you doing today?
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+[Speaker 1]: I am doing well and this is the very last
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+talk of the day so I'm very excited not
+
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+because it finishes but because I am tired
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+[Speaker 0]: Yeah very understandable.
+
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+Well thanks for all of your hard work.
+
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+We all really appreciate it and all the other
+
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+organizers.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: and need some sleep. Well on behalf of all
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+the organizers thank you but you know it all
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+it makes it all worthwhile when we see the
+
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+valuable contribution that every single 1 of
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+our speakers are making,
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+not only for recording their talks,
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+which is a tough demand on people to say,
+
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+oh, if you want to go to EmacsConf,
+
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+you might want to record your talk.
+
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+But then almost all of you do it and you
+
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+spend a lot of time with us answering
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+questions. So we couldn't do it.
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+You know, we wouldn't be spending as much
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+energy, half as much energy,
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+if we didn't believe that it was worth it.
+
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+So now it's me thanking you on behalf of all
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+the speakers.
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+[Speaker 0]: Well thank you that's part of what I wanted
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+to get across in my talk was that coming
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+together and sharing ourselves and you know
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+not just putting little little essays out
+
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+there and single videos but coming together
+
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+as a community you know sharing ourselves our
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+faces our voices you know it really brings us
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+together and makes everyone stronger.
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+[Speaker 1]: Exactly, and I think it's been a recurring
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+theme. Most of the talks we have at
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+EmacsConf, they're usually about sharing,
+
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+obviously, sharing the knowledge that they've
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+acquired, either writing a package or
+
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+learning how to use Emacs as a professor in
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+academia or stuff like this.
+
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+But what I particularly like this year about
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+the different talks we've had is that they've
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+really made the sharing even more obvious.
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+We've had the mentoring this afternoon and we
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+have your talk about using videos as a
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+different medium to get into something.
+
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+And I really think in terms of accessibility
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+to Emacs, all of you who talked about this
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+topic are doing a wonderful job.
+
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+So, thank you again for all of this.
+
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+[Speaker 0]: Thank you. Yeah, do we have any questions to
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+00:02:04.360 --> 00:02:04.860
+be answering?
+
+00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:08.560
+[Speaker 1]: Yeah, so only 1 for now and I'll invite
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+people as usual to please add their question
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+to the pad or to join us on BBB.
+
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+Now the chat is open if you want to join us
+
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+on BBB and ask your questions directly.
+
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+And in the meantime, I will read the first
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+question. So, Kroting,
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+are you using OxReveal to make your slides?
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+If not, what are you using?
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+They look very elegant,
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+and I concur.
+
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+[Speaker 0]: That's true. I am using OxReveal.
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+I have a whole entire video on it.
+
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+So if you're interested,
+
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+feel free to take a look.
+
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+It's very simple to get started with.
+
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+There are a lot of different packages to use
+
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+Reveal.js and Emacs. OxReveal or OrgReveal
+
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+seems to be pretty easy to use.
+
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+So try that 1 out. Yeah,
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+it's really nice.
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+[Speaker 1]: Awesome. I'm going to give a little bit of
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+time for the other people to finish writing
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+their answer. In the meantime,
+
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+I'll ask you 1 of my own.
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+So you said you were in college,
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+right? In com sci. Sorry,
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+[Speaker 0]: Yeah.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: computer science. I think it's great to find
+
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+people in computer science who have,
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+from the get-go, as soon as their bachelor,
+
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+an appetite for sharing and vulgarizing a lot
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+of knowledge. Because it feels like if you
+
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+get started like this,
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+you're gonna have a well over time as you
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+progress with the learning.
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+So I'm very excited to see what you do in the
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+coming years because of this.
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+[Speaker 0]: Thank you, thank you, yeah.
+
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+And Emacs has been like very central to my
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+education as well. It's a great way to sort
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+of organize myself and also it's a good way
+
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+to share with other people with Org Mode.
+
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+I can export my code, I can export notes.
+
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+It makes it so simple.
+
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+My peers are also impressed by my PDF
+
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+documents and whatever I can produce with
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+[Speaker 1]: Oh yeah. If only they knew how much time it
+
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+takes us to get LaTeX to behave properly.
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+[Speaker 0]: Emacs. Right, right. I see some more
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+questions coming in I can answer.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: Sure, I'll read it for you so that it's a
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+little more interactive.
+
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+So, second question. Videos can be very
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+inspirational to learn about something by
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+watching it used. I often find it,
+
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+I often find that I need to do some research
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+after watching a video to learn more.
+
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+Do you give people links to relevant
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+resources or etc?
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+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, that's something I could definitely do
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+more of. When I make a video I try to combine
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+all the relevant resources and make 1 sort of
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+cohesive video. I like to think of my video
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+as a jumping off point to the Emacs manuals
+
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+because the manuals are so so full but you
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+need to have a sort of a cursory
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+understanding to get started with them.
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+And then yeah, if there are other sort of
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+GitHub links or something like that,
+
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+I like to put those in the description.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: Good question. Right. And I think it's arcing
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+back also. I keep using the word arcing back.
+
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+I'm sorry. It's my... Every EmacsConf I have
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+1 word or 1 phrase that I keep saying over
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+and over again and this 1 is not leaving but
+
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+don't worry we only have about 1 more hour
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+and then you're done with me arcing out,
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+arcing back to stuff. I think this is
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+reminding me of both the mentoring talk we've
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+had today about onboarding people basically
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+so that they can have a well of a time on
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+their own on Emacs and I'd agree with you,
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+you know, as much as we like to rave about
+
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+Emacs as a self-documenting editor,
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+about how complete the documentation is,
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+As you've mentioned in your talk,
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+it's not accessible directly to the people.
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+We can yell as much as we want to people on
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+IRC, you just need to RTFM or you just need
+
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+to do Ctrl-H-V for the variable or Ctrl-H-F.
+
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+What is a variable? I am not for computer
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+science. What does it mean?
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+It is really blocking a lot of people right
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+from the get-go. And I think the element of
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+interactivity, as you've mentioned in your
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+talk, that is introduced by video just makes
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+the hand-holding that much easier.
+
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+And it's great to do it like this.
+
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+All right, I think we've got another
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+questions. What are your fellow codes of
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+students using for their editors?
+
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+What kinds of feedback do you get from them
+
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+when they learn about you using Emacs?
+
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+[Speaker 0]: That's a great question.
+
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+I think professors want to make things,
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+the entry as simple as possible.
+
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+So for the first computer science course and
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+the second, at least at Columbia,
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+They use Codeo, which is 1 of those online
+
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+whole IDEs. Now in the third course,
+
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+which is sort of more the weed out as they
+
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+call it, the professor gives you a choice and
+
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+he says you can use Emacs or you can use Vim.
+
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+And everyone uses Vim.
+
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+Not a single person I know is using Emacs,
+
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+simply because the professor's using Vim and
+
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+that's what he shows on screen and that's
+
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+just what everyone else falls into.
+
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+And it's also, like, they're totally in the
+
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+terminal, and that can be a big barrier of
+
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+entry. So I think they see Emacs as like
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+something like Vim, but it's not sort of the
+
+00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:01.960
+same idea. It's not what everyone uses
+
+00:07:03.840 --> 00:07:03.960
+because it's not what's being shown up on
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+screen. So if you're not following,
+
+00:07:06.460 --> 00:07:06.880
+like if you're a new learner,
+
+00:07:08.300 --> 00:07:08.680
+if you're not following with Vim,
+
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+you might have a little bit of a harder time
+
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+in these classes because everyone else is
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+also using Vim.
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+[Speaker 1]: Right. And I'm kind of reminded again,
+
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+it feels like this is the last talk,
+
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+so I'm reminiscing of all the different talks
+
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+we've had on the general chat,
+
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+at least. And you know,
+
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+it feels like we had, you know,
+
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+this 1 talk, I can't remember the first name
+
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+at the presentation, but it was about forcing
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+people to use Emacs and not giving them the
+
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+choice to do this. And I found it to be such
+
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+a powerful move to do because usually people,
+
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+maybe some classes are actually forcing Vim
+
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+because it's a little more palatable I guess.
+
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+Do you have something to say on this?
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+[Speaker 0]: Yeah let me actually, I've remembered 1
+
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+thing, I know there's another course,
+
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+a fourth course you'd say in assembly and the
+
+00:08:00.960 --> 00:08:01.460
+professor suggests Emacs.
+
+00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:04.340
+However I know that's just 1 professor so I
+
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+think broadly Vim is more of the standard and
+
+00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:08.480
+yeah what were you, can you repeat what you
+
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+said about Vim being more sort of friendly?
+
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+[Speaker 1]: Yeah, because it's not,
+
+00:08:14.960 --> 00:08:15.200
+okay, I'm quoting the opinions of other,
+
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+you know, I would hate to insult Emacs and
+
+00:08:19.400 --> 00:08:19.840
+give myself a bad rep at Emacs comfortable
+
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+things. But it feels like because modal
+
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+editing is usually something that people hear
+
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+from when it starts looking into how to be
+
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+more efficient when they read text.
+
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+It feels like the first door,
+
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+the closest door to this is Vim.
+
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+And so a lot of professors,
+
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+because there's very little on-boarding,
+
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+I mean, I'm going to say the word on-boarding
+
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+and then I'm going to modulate,
+
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+but there's very little on-boarding to get
+
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+into modal editing. You just have your H's
+
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+and your J's and your K's and your L's and
+
+00:08:51.020 --> 00:08:51.180
+everything works. You know,
+
+00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:52.680
+it does something, yes,
+
+00:08:53.640 --> 00:08:53.960
+the arrows are in weird places,
+
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+but it does something that is vaguely
+
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+logical. Whereas with Ctrl-Meta,
+
+00:09:03.380 --> 00:09:03.560
+Hyper, Super, J and then Ctrl-C and Meta 4
+
+00:09:04.560 --> 00:09:05.060
+for good measure, you know,
+
+00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:08.140
+It already feels a little more opaque in
+
+00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:10.460
+terms of how people are going to use this.
+
+00:09:13.780 --> 00:09:13.940
+So, I think it's also 1 good thing about the
+
+00:09:15.860 --> 00:09:16.020
+videos is that people can see you're not
+
+00:09:17.900 --> 00:09:18.400
+contorting your hands in very difficult
+
+00:09:20.920 --> 00:09:21.420
+shapes to use Emacs as the bad rep usually
+
+00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:24.620
+is. But yeah, to come back to what I was
+
+00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:27.040
+saying about Vim, I just feel like they've
+
+00:09:30.460 --> 00:09:30.760
+won the battle in terms of looking very
+
+00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:34.340
+accessible. And for us with Emacs,
+
+00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:37.580
+from the top of our ivory tower,
+
+00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:40.440
+we see the ease of getting into Vim,
+
+00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:43.660
+but we always think, but Vim script is shit,
+
+00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:45.040
+we've got Elisp for us,
+
+00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:46.820
+We can do so many things on our end.
+
+00:09:51.180 --> 00:09:51.340
+So yeah, does that evoke anything to you with
+
+00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:53.160
+regards to Vim versus Emacs in terms of
+
+00:09:53.160 --> 00:09:53.660
+apprehension?
+
+00:09:56.820 --> 00:09:57.040
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, I think that Emacs might be more
+
+00:09:59.320 --> 00:09:59.540
+straightforward if you just plop someone down
+
+00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:01.780
+in front of their computer because you press
+
+00:10:03.800 --> 00:10:04.300
+H, you're going to see an H on the screen,
+
+00:10:06.780 --> 00:10:07.280
+right? And Vim is a whole new modal mindset.
+
+00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:10.380
+So for a student who wants to like gain
+
+00:10:13.540 --> 00:10:13.740
+efficiency, then yes, I think that Vim is
+
+00:10:15.160 --> 00:10:15.360
+definitely like, it feels like a more
+
+00:10:16.280 --> 00:10:16.760
+friendly introduction.
+
+00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:18.600
+But I think that Emacs doesn't get enough
+
+00:10:20.580 --> 00:10:20.680
+credit around here. And I'd like to see it
+
+00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:23.460
+more often, because a lot of students,
+
+00:10:25.640 --> 00:10:26.140
+they're not looking to fix the efficiencies
+
+00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:28.580
+in their text editing.
+
+00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:31.780
+They're looking to fix the efficiencies in
+
+00:10:33.620 --> 00:10:34.120
+how they do homework or how they do their
+
+00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:35.140
+programming assignments,
+
+00:10:37.280 --> 00:10:37.540
+and they would save time if they,
+
+00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:39.820
+or at least the mentality for a student,
+
+00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:42.720
+is that if you can just get it done more
+
+00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:44.160
+quickly, like it's more,
+
+00:10:45.540 --> 00:10:45.720
+you know, you do what you're used to,
+
+00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:49.300
+and Vim is just a barrier towards you know
+
+00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:51.180
+getting your work done like how do I copy and
+
+00:10:52.800 --> 00:10:52.960
+paste something it's a whole new set of
+
+00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:55.280
+challenges to learn so I think both have
+
+00:10:56.920 --> 00:10:57.420
+their deficiencies and abilities.
+
+00:11:00.760 --> 00:11:00.920
+[Speaker 1]: Yeah it's funny because I'm just 1 last thing
+
+00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:03.680
+on this it feels like modal editing because
+
+00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:05.860
+it is already weird from the get-go,
+
+00:11:08.260 --> 00:11:08.640
+perhaps it might do a better job of making
+
+00:11:10.640 --> 00:11:10.760
+people uneasy. You know how we say that
+
+00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:12.100
+constraints breeds creativity.
+
+00:11:14.820 --> 00:11:15.180
+Well, Vim constrains you from the get-go.
+
+00:11:16.160 --> 00:11:16.620
+If you do not press I,
+
+00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:18.420
+nothing is going to show up in the buffer
+
+00:11:19.040 --> 00:11:19.540
+that you're currently editing.
+
+00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:22.000
+Whereas Emacs give you this full sense of
+
+00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:24.500
+security by when you press J,
+
+00:11:27.860 --> 00:11:28.360
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, true.
+
+00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:29.760
+[Speaker 1]: it actually inputs J. All right,
+
+00:11:30.540 --> 00:11:30.840
+moving on to another question.
+
+00:11:32.040 --> 00:11:32.540
+And by the way, we've got some time.
+
+00:11:34.740 --> 00:11:35.240
+We have technically about 6 more minutes,
+
+00:11:38.640 --> 00:11:38.940
+but I see Sasha on the other track is already
+
+00:11:40.400 --> 00:11:40.640
+answering questions that I'm in about
+
+00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:43.320
+EmacsConf. So we can go a little longer,
+
+00:11:44.760 --> 00:11:45.040
+as long as I let the organizers know.
+
+00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:46.200
+So we've got about, let's say,
+
+00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:48.320
+6 minutes for now. And we'll see if more
+
+00:11:50.020 --> 00:11:50.220
+questions crop up. All right,
+
+00:11:51.040 --> 00:11:51.540
+moving on to the next question.
+
+00:11:53.400 --> 00:11:53.760
+Did you start those university classes using
+
+00:11:55.180 --> 00:11:55.680
+Emacs, I suppose, in your first year?
+
+00:12:01.640 --> 00:12:01.780
+[Speaker 0]: Yes, yeah, I did. I started with Emacs 2
+
+00:12:02.780 --> 00:12:03.120
+years before entering college,
+
+00:12:04.280 --> 00:12:04.780
+so my junior year of high school.
+
+00:12:09.220 --> 00:12:09.480
+And I've basically over time built up a
+
+00:12:11.180 --> 00:12:11.680
+workflow of how I will take my notes,
+
+00:12:12.900 --> 00:12:13.400
+how I will organize my classes.
+
+00:12:16.280 --> 00:12:16.780
+And now that I'm taking programming classes
+
+00:12:18.280 --> 00:12:18.780
+where Emacs might be more acceptable.
+
+00:12:21.500 --> 00:12:22.000
+It's even enhanced my workflow.
+
+00:12:24.760 --> 00:12:25.260
+Taking notes in Ouro for program assists,
+
+00:12:27.540 --> 00:12:27.720
+everyone talks about it,
+
+00:12:30.640 --> 00:12:30.880
+but from the source, It doesn't get better
+
+00:12:32.860 --> 00:12:33.080
+than that, being able to write with
+
+00:12:34.280 --> 00:12:34.780
+highlighting, with syntax highlighting,
+
+00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:38.720
+with easy exports, running inline code
+
+00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:41.380
+blocks. And a lot of these programming
+
+00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:43.460
+classes, they make you code on a server.
+
+00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:45.320
+And they just say, oh,
+
+00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:46.980
+SSH, and you can use Vim.
+
+00:12:48.560 --> 00:12:49.040
+I can use Tramp, and I can use Emacs,
+
+00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:50.940
+and I'm perfectly at home.
+
+00:12:52.760 --> 00:12:53.260
+It's just such a seamless transition.
+
+00:12:55.380 --> 00:12:55.760
+It's a really amazing way to do school.
+
+00:12:58.260 --> 00:12:58.580
+Professors, you know, all they want is a PDF
+
+00:12:59.220 --> 00:12:59.340
+at the end of the day.
+
+00:13:00.520 --> 00:13:01.020
+They just want the paper on their desk.
+
+00:13:03.420 --> 00:13:03.560
+They're not so picky about how you get it
+
+00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:05.340
+there. They just want it in their hands.
+
+00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:07.540
+So, so Emacs is, it's very usable.
+
+00:13:08.040 --> 00:13:08.540
+It's very doable.
+
+00:13:11.280 --> 00:13:11.580
+[Speaker 1]: Right. I've got a little anecdote on this
+
+00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:13.860
+because you're speaking about the topic of
+
+00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:16.280
+Emacs at university from the perspective of
+
+00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:18.100
+someone who is in computer science.
+
+00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:20.340
+But for me, in the humanities,
+
+00:13:22.900 --> 00:13:23.080
+I just remember those professors who just
+
+00:13:24.940 --> 00:13:25.440
+required you not to use your laptop.
+
+00:13:28.580 --> 00:13:28.780
+And I started with Emacs roughly at the same
+
+00:13:32.460 --> 00:13:32.700
+age as you did. And I was just using it for
+
+00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:33.580
+absolutely everything,
+
+00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:35.740
+for my organization, for producing papers.
+
+00:13:37.860 --> 00:13:38.000
+And to be told that I could not use Emacs for
+
+00:13:38.680 --> 00:13:39.180
+a class for my note-taking,
+
+00:13:43.660 --> 00:13:43.860
+I felt utterly naked in the face of what I
+
+00:13:46.500 --> 00:13:46.720
+needed to do. And yeah,
+
+00:13:47.800 --> 00:13:48.120
+it's great to see those different
+
+00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:49.540
+experiences. And it just,
+
+00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:50.800
+you're always going to be weird.
+
+00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:53.120
+Like I was the weird guy using Emacs in the
+
+00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:55.080
+humanities, but I would have been weird using
+
+00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:58.940
+Vim or any kind of computers with fancy
+
+00:13:59.060 --> 00:13:59.560
+editing.
+
+00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:02.580
+[Speaker 0]: Oh yeah, yeah. And I'm in humanities classes
+
+00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:04.340
+as well, I'm not in a strictly engineering,
+
+00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:06.880
+so people will see me writing an essay about,
+
+00:14:07.780 --> 00:14:08.080
+you know, a philosophy essay,
+
+00:14:09.820 --> 00:14:09.960
+I was working on an essay about Plato and
+
+00:14:11.180 --> 00:14:11.680
+Aristotle, and they say,
+
+00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:14.040
+what are you coding, why are you coding your
+
+00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:16.880
+essay? And I say, well it's just the font
+
+00:14:17.560 --> 00:14:18.060
+looks a little bit different.
+
+00:14:19.300 --> 00:14:19.640
+Everything else is the same words,
+
+00:14:20.800 --> 00:14:21.100
+just the font looks a little different.
+
+00:14:22.160 --> 00:14:22.660
+This is how I like to do it.
+
+00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:25.760
+[Speaker 1]: Oh, those pesky monospace fonts are making us
+
+00:14:27.880 --> 00:14:28.020
+pass as hackers. But for everyone who is
+
+00:14:29.060 --> 00:14:29.560
+behind us, looking at our monitors.
+
+00:14:30.040 --> 00:14:30.540
+[Speaker 0]: Exactly.
+
+00:14:33.900 --> 00:14:34.280
+[Speaker 1]: All right. A little bit of a remark,
+
+00:14:35.760 --> 00:14:36.020
+I guess, towards me and what I said about
+
+00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:37.860
+Vim. So, quoting, before NeoVim,
+
+00:14:39.140 --> 00:14:39.640
+you had to do as much or more configuration
+
+00:14:41.280 --> 00:14:41.760
+to get basic editing done than in Emacs.
+
+00:14:43.520 --> 00:14:43.780
+It's also slower with modal editing compared
+
+00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:45.520
+to Emacs key bindings because you have to
+
+00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:47.640
+press escape and 2 keys to get things done.
+
+00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:49.540
+While in Emacs, you only have to press Ctrl
+
+00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:52.360
+or Meta something to move or search or
+
+00:14:53.400 --> 00:14:53.900
+whatever, and then write.
+
+00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:56.460
+And I tend to agree, I'm not familiar with
+
+00:14:59.260 --> 00:14:59.760
+the ages before NeoVim,
+
+00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:03.620
+But I think we are mostly talking in terms of
+
+00:15:04.900 --> 00:15:05.400
+reputation and communication,
+
+00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:08.480
+like how is Vim considered nowadays or for
+
+00:15:10.760 --> 00:15:11.260
+the last 10 years in the mindset of people
+
+00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:14.240
+choosing or about to choose an editor.
+
+00:15:17.620 --> 00:15:17.860
+And, You know, I keep spitting the fact about
+
+00:15:19.340 --> 00:15:19.480
+VimScript being bad, but I'm going to be
+
+00:15:20.800 --> 00:15:20.980
+honest, I've never actually written any
+
+00:15:24.180 --> 00:15:24.400
+VimScript. I'm just parroting whatever the
+
+00:15:26.760 --> 00:15:26.960
+giants with shoulders I'm standing have been
+
+00:15:28.260 --> 00:15:28.740
+saying to me. And it's not very intelligent,
+
+00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:31.280
+I know, but We also have a very limited pool
+
+00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:34.540
+of time, and I also think that this is a
+
+00:15:36.460 --> 00:15:36.960
+point that your talk addresses in a way.
+
+00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:40.740
+Yes, we could be starting the massive quest
+
+00:15:42.740 --> 00:15:43.180
+of reading the Emacs manual or the ELISP
+
+00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:45.480
+introductory guide or the ELISP complete
+
+00:15:47.620 --> 00:15:48.120
+guide. A lot of people are trying,
+
+00:15:48.940 --> 00:15:49.440
+very highly motivated,
+
+00:15:51.140 --> 00:15:51.220
+I'm going to get started on Emacs and I'm
+
+00:15:51.940 --> 00:15:52.440
+going to do things right.
+
+00:15:53.760 --> 00:15:54.260
+But the fact of the matter is,
+
+00:15:56.580 --> 00:15:56.820
+it's not necessarily a good use of your time
+
+00:15:57.740 --> 00:15:58.240
+to get started like this,
+
+00:16:00.680 --> 00:16:00.840
+because there are so many things you're not
+
+00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:03.660
+going to understand, it kind of goes back,
+
+00:16:04.640 --> 00:16:04.920
+didn't say iBug this time,
+
+00:16:07.700 --> 00:16:08.200
+I stopped myself, it kind of goes back to
+
+00:16:11.040 --> 00:16:11.240
+this I plus 1 Vigoski proximals on
+
+00:16:12.740 --> 00:16:12.940
+development stuff that I was talking about
+
+00:16:16.020 --> 00:16:16.520
+before. The manual is I plus 999.
+
+00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:21.140
+Your video might be I plus 3 or I plus 2 and
+
+00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:23.480
+the hand-holding really does wonders for
+
+00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:26.400
+people to eventually get closer to reading
+
+00:16:27.540 --> 00:16:28.040
+the manuals and stuff like this.
+
+00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:31.500
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah it's a great way just something about
+
+00:16:33.160 --> 00:16:33.660
+giving someone those practical
+
+00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:35.240
+demonstrations, that's something I really
+
+00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:37.080
+appreciate. A lot of these really nice
+
+00:16:38.520 --> 00:16:39.020
+presentations we've had today and yesterday
+
+00:16:41.920 --> 00:16:42.100
+show real life use cases and we get to see
+
+00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:44.480
+people typing and they're working how they
+
+00:16:46.680 --> 00:16:46.920
+would normally work. And that's a great way
+
+00:16:49.040 --> 00:16:49.200
+to begin to understand how you can apply a
+
+00:16:50.680 --> 00:16:50.800
+tool to yourself because at the end of the
+
+00:16:52.040 --> 00:16:52.360
+day Emacs is a tool for us.
+
+00:16:53.760 --> 00:16:54.060
+You know we might take joy in it,
+
+00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:55.440
+it helps us be more productive,
+
+00:16:58.040 --> 00:16:58.540
+it's fun but we're using it for a certain end
+
+00:17:00.880 --> 00:17:01.080
+and you know if we how we can understand to
+
+00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:03.280
+get to those ends and what those ends might
+
+00:17:05.740 --> 00:17:06.240
+even be. It's just great to see other people
+
+00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:07.940
+bring that forth for you.
+
+00:17:12.380 --> 00:17:12.619
+[Speaker 1]: Okay, great. Well, I don't see any more
+
+00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:14.480
+questions in the chat currently,
+
+00:17:17.020 --> 00:17:17.160
+and I don't see anyone who's joined us on the
+
+00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:19.760
+blue button. We are near the time that I said
+
+00:17:22.420 --> 00:17:22.920
+we've got about 40 seconds to go until we
+
+00:17:24.060 --> 00:17:24.400
+were due to end. Jacob,
+
+00:17:26.099 --> 00:17:26.240
+I kind of want to give you the microphone for
+
+00:17:27.339 --> 00:17:27.500
+the end. Do you have anything to say?
+
+00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:28.680
+Like you've talked about your YouTube
+
+00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:30.720
+channel, we've already ensured that the links
+
+00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:32.360
+will be everywhere on the talk page,
+
+00:17:34.280 --> 00:17:34.640
+in the pad, on IRC. But is there anything
+
+00:17:35.540 --> 00:17:35.740
+else you'd like to add?
+
+00:17:37.120 --> 00:17:37.620
+Because you're the last speaker of EmacsCon,
+
+00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:40.140
+and you've got the tough responsibility of
+
+00:17:42.040 --> 00:17:42.540
+finishing it.
+
+00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:45.920
+[Speaker 0]: Oh, well, that's not tough at all when we've
+
+00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:47.960
+had 2 days. I mean, so many people,
+
+00:17:51.300 --> 00:17:51.440
+so many presenters coming together and like I
+
+00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:53.140
+said right at the beginning to Leo,
+
+00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:55.200
+putting your face out there,
+
+00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:56.680
+putting your voice out there,
+
+00:17:57.620 --> 00:17:58.120
+putting yourself out there,
+
+00:18:00.060 --> 00:18:00.380
+it's such a great way to come together
+
+00:18:02.080 --> 00:18:02.580
+because Emacs is not the standard.
+
+00:18:04.540 --> 00:18:04.820
+You know, I've tried to teach my friends
+
+00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:06.540
+Emacs, I've tried to show it to them.
+
+00:18:08.360 --> 00:18:08.480
+You know, some people you get it or you
+
+00:18:10.320 --> 00:18:10.600
+don't. And the people who get it,
+
+00:18:11.740 --> 00:18:12.240
+we're not all in the same place.
+
+00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:13.940
+And it's great.
+
+00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:15.860
+[Speaker 1]: I'm interrupting you for a second because I
+
+00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:18.460
+think we were supposed to kill the the cron
+
+00:18:20.220 --> 00:18:20.720
+which starts the next meeting and it hasn't.
+
+00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:22.940
+Let me try to fix it. I'll talk to production
+
+00:18:25.360 --> 00:18:25.860
+[Speaker 0]: Do I wait or keep going?
+
+00:18:27.360 --> 00:18:27.560
+[Speaker 1]: in a second. Just wait a bit.
+
+00:18:29.260 --> 00:18:29.440
+I'm very sorry. I've given you the mic and
+
+00:18:35.280 --> 00:18:35.440
+then it just... Okay let me just check your
+
+00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:35.940
+production.
+
+00:18:59.660 --> 00:18:59.720
+What? All right, Jason.
+
+00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:01.120
+All right, Jacob, I'm going to put us
+
+00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:02.320
+manually back on track.
+
+00:19:03.080 --> 00:19:03.580
+So give me just a second.
+
+00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:04.720
+[Speaker 0]: Right.
+
+00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:09.740
+[Speaker 1]: I'm going to manually type the URL,
+
+00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:12.720
+because it's a janky setup that we've got
+
+00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:14.440
+right now, when whenever it's not working.
+
+00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:20.900
+All right. So tps slash slash bbb emacs first
+
+00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:23.500
+dot org html. No, that's not the 1.
+
+00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:27.440
+Let me try to type it.
+
+00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:28.400
+Probably. Bbbemaxfirst.
+
+00:19:42.700 --> 00:19:43.180
+L5H, R5D, BH0 Okay, we're getting back Okay,
+
+00:19:44.380 --> 00:19:44.740
+sorry folks about this We are,
+
+00:19:45.360 --> 00:19:45.860
+Jacob, We're back online.
+
+00:19:46.800 --> 00:19:47.080
+I'm really sorry about this.
+
+00:19:49.040 --> 00:19:49.540
+It's just that Sasha's script kicked in.
+
+00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:51.280
+I did tell you we were supposed to finish at
+
+00:19:53.940 --> 00:19:54.060
+30. And because Sasha is busy presenting in
+
+00:19:54.940 --> 00:19:55.320
+the other room, sadly,
+
+00:19:57.100 --> 00:19:57.400
+we got yanked again. So Jacob,
+
+00:19:58.280 --> 00:19:58.780
+I'm very sorry for the interruption.
+
+00:20:01.220 --> 00:20:01.560
+And you were retelling people about something
+
+00:20:02.320 --> 00:20:02.820
+you told me during the check-ins.
+
+00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:04.940
+Do you mind restarting this?
+
+00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:09.660
+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, sure. Well, you said I have the no
+
+00:20:12.180 --> 00:20:12.480
+small task of making the last words from
+
+00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:14.640
+presenters and not the organizers at
+
+00:20:16.260 --> 00:20:16.500
+EmacsConf. And I said,
+
+00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:18.380
+well, that's not hard at all.
+
+00:20:20.540 --> 00:20:20.760
+How many speakers have we had?
+
+00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:24.860
+30? And it's so incredible these past,
+
+00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:27.080
+you know, today and yesterday to have all
+
+00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:29.960
+been able to come together and not just share
+
+00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:34.420
+our ideas and our code and how we do things,
+
+00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:38.300
+but to share our faces and our voices and our
+
+00:20:39.780 --> 00:20:40.120
+lives, you know a little bit of our lives.
+
+00:20:42.100 --> 00:20:42.380
+You know to have the passion to even spend
+
+00:20:44.900 --> 00:20:45.400
+the time to on your weekend to watch this
+
+00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:47.660
+means that you have some sort of care about
+
+00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:49.660
+Emacs and it adds to your life.
+
+00:20:51.820 --> 00:20:52.080
+And you know those Emacs people aren't
+
+00:20:53.620 --> 00:20:53.980
+everywhere. I've tried to bring my friends
+
+00:20:56.040 --> 00:20:56.320
+onto Emacs and it seems like you know you're
+
+00:20:58.900 --> 00:20:59.220
+an Emacs person or you're not really an Emacs
+
+00:21:02.360 --> 00:21:02.640
+person. And those Emacs people can be really
+
+00:21:04.840 --> 00:21:05.000
+spread out. So it's great that we're able to
+
+00:21:07.900 --> 00:21:08.000
+come together and share a little bit of
+
+00:21:09.760 --> 00:21:10.260
+ourselves, a little bit of how we do things.
+
+00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:12.720
+And like I said in my talk,
+
+00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:15.880
+just increase our own joy in Emacs by coming
+
+00:21:19.360 --> 00:21:19.540
+together and being able to share our joy in
+
+00:21:21.760 --> 00:21:21.900
+Emacs. And of course, thank you to all the
+
+00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:25.120
+organizers and everyone who's contributed in
+
+00:21:27.980 --> 00:21:28.380
+any way. It means a lot to even the smallest
+
+00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:30.200
+member, the biggest member of our community.
+
+00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:33.700
+We're all really glad to be able to come
+
+00:21:36.300 --> 00:21:36.520
+together like this and share and meet each
+
+00:21:37.820 --> 00:21:38.320
+other and give nice talks.
+
+00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:40.440
+[Speaker 1]: Well, thank you so much,
+
+00:21:42.340 --> 00:21:42.780
+Jacob. And perhaps to reassure people,
+
+00:21:44.900 --> 00:21:45.060
+because yes, right now it feels like we are
+
+00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:47.300
+legions, all of us here in the same room
+
+00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:48.400
+watching the same thing.
+
+00:21:50.740 --> 00:21:50.900
+We are the Emacs' and that's a very good
+
+00:21:52.540 --> 00:21:52.840
+feeling to have. But you know,
+
+00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:55.140
+first, there's 1 thing that is certain,
+
+00:21:58.380 --> 00:21:58.660
+almost 99% certain, it's the fact that next
+
+00:22:00.300 --> 00:22:00.800
+year there'll probably be another EmacsConf
+
+00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:03.340
+and there will be more Emacs versions,
+
+00:22:04.540 --> 00:22:04.940
+there will be more augmented versions,
+
+00:22:07.300 --> 00:22:07.480
+there will be more people doing cool stuff on
+
+00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:12.040
+Melpa, on ELPA, etc. So it is still a vibrant
+
+00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:14.700
+community. But in case you're craving this
+
+00:22:17.260 --> 00:22:17.760
+little extra in-person stuff,
+
+00:22:20.280 --> 00:22:20.500
+Sash and myself, we are maintaining a list of
+
+00:22:21.560 --> 00:22:21.820
+all the Emacs user group.
+
+00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:23.080
+This is on the Emacs wiki.
+
+00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:24.440
+This is what I'm sharing on my screen
+
+00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:27.720
+currently. And we try to organize them by
+
+00:22:30.100 --> 00:22:30.340
+regional region, sorry,
+
+00:22:31.560 --> 00:22:32.020
+parts of the world like North America,
+
+00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:33.120
+South America, Europe,
+
+00:22:36.300 --> 00:22:36.680
+Africa, Asia. And we have a list of upcoming
+
+00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:39.500
+events and a lot of them are still online.
+
+00:22:41.420 --> 00:22:41.920
+Ever since we had the entire pandemic stuff,
+
+00:22:46.940 --> 00:22:47.440
+a lot of the workshops moved online and,
+
+00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:50.320
+sorry, I had someone whispering in my ear.
+
+00:22:53.100 --> 00:22:53.400
+A lot of them moved online and they are still
+
+00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:55.080
+online now because they've realized it's a
+
+00:22:57.100 --> 00:22:57.280
+very great way to get more people in the same
+
+00:22:59.640 --> 00:22:59.960
+place. And whilst it's great to have
+
+00:23:01.560 --> 00:23:01.920
+in-person meetings, We do this with Emacs
+
+00:23:05.140 --> 00:23:05.340
+Paris. Emacs Paris actually is happening is
+
+00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:07.840
+it? I think, oh I'm going to need to tell
+
+00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:10.280
+Sasha that apparently yes we do not have the
+
+00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:12.600
+next event for Emacs Paris which is next
+
+00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:15.140
+Tuesday and it is in person but for everyone
+
+00:23:18.580 --> 00:23:18.740
+and including you Jacob if you find a
+
+00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:20.640
+workshop in North America that is working for
+
+00:23:22.540 --> 00:23:23.020
+you, I'm thinking about Emacs SF,
+
+00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:24.940
+which I've attended multiple times,
+
+00:23:27.980 --> 00:23:28.220
+and Emacs Austin as well,
+
+00:23:29.060 --> 00:23:29.340
+that I've been to once,
+
+00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:31.780
+I think, It would be a lovely experience and
+
+00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:34.540
+a way to, most of them are every month,
+
+00:23:36.040 --> 00:23:36.160
+it would be a good way for you to stay in
+
+00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:39.440
+touch and to continue this sense of
+
+00:23:40.580 --> 00:23:41.080
+in-person-ness about Emacs.
+
+00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:46.800
+[Speaker 0]: Wonderful. All right, thank you so much.
+
+00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:49.400
+Should I drop off of our call now and let you
+
+00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:50.500
+close things up?
+
+00:23:52.600 --> 00:23:52.760
+[Speaker 1]: Yeah, we're probably gonna close thing up.
+
+00:23:53.600 --> 00:23:53.940
+Let me just check on Sasha.
+
+00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:55.560
+Sasha is obviously answering many many
+
+00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:57.660
+questions about how we are organizing
+
+00:23:59.540 --> 00:23:59.640
+EmacsConf. So Jacob, I'm gonna let you go.
+
+00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:01.680
+Thank you so much for your presentation and
+
+00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:03.920
+your answers. And maybe we'll see you next
+
+00:24:05.020 --> 00:24:05.240
+year. Or maybe a workshop.
+
+00:24:06.820 --> 00:24:07.320
+[Speaker 0]: Who knows? I'm so lucky I got you as my Q&A.
+
+00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:10.760
+When I saw you at my first Emacs Conf 2 years
+
+00:24:12.740 --> 00:24:13.240
+ago, I thought, maybe this guy will do mine.
+
+00:24:18.840 --> 00:24:19.240
+[Speaker 1]: Very nice. Thank you. I'm glad I was able to
+
+00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:20.280
+generate such a feeling.
+
+00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:22.100
+All right, I'll get going now.
+
+00:24:23.260 --> 00:24:23.760
+Jacob, have a wonderful evening.
+
+00:24:23.940 --> 00:24:24.140
+[Speaker 0]: And here you are. You too,
+
+00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:24.900
+see you later.
+
+00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:28.320
+[Speaker 1]: Bye-bye. And folks, what are we going to do
+
+00:24:30.300 --> 00:24:30.520
+right now? I'm going to set everything up so
+
+00:24:32.520 --> 00:24:33.020
+that we can get Sasha finished on the talk.
+
+00:24:34.840 --> 00:24:35.060
+If you're watching, squinting with both
+
+00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:38.080
+streams, you can go to Sasha's room,
+
+00:24:39.520 --> 00:24:40.020
+I mean, the development track,
+
+00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:42.680
+to maybe catch some of the answers by Sasha.
+
+00:24:45.040 --> 00:24:45.160
+Otherwise, we'll be back in roughly 5 to 10
+
+00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:47.120
+minutes to do the closing remarks on this
+
+00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:48.040
+channel. In the meantime,
+
+00:24:48.840 --> 00:24:49.340
+I'll put on some music.
+
+00:24:51.300 --> 00:24:51.800
+So bear with us and I'll see you shortly.
+
+00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.160
+And closing here. This BBB recording.
+
+00:25:16.360 --> 00:25:16.860
+Yay!