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+[Speaker 0]: About 3
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+seconds. And I believe we are live.
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+Hi Edmund, how are you doing?
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+[Speaker 1]: Hi, how's it going Leo?
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+I'm doing well, thanks.
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+Yourself?
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+[Speaker 0]: I'm also doing well. So Edmund doesn't have
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+his webcam on but he will be able to answer
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+questions that you ask inside of the Azure
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+pad that I've shared again on IRC.
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+By the way, we only have 1 question and we
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+have about 40 minutes of question time,
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+so feel free to add as many questions as you
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+want and in the meantime,
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+we'll get started on the first 1.
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+Unless, Edmond, do you have anything to say
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+after your presentation?
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+[Speaker 1]: No, we can jump in.
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+[Speaker 0]: Okay, lovely. So first question,
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+is the index, sorry, does the index really
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+matter here? I mean his colleague is also
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+using some A4 paper and you think that the
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+index card is the most important thing here?
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+[Speaker 1]: That's a great question.
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+I mean, I think you can do anything with a
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+larger piece of paper that you can do with a
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+smaller piece of paper.
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+But I actually encourage you to try this out.
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+I did, not for research for this talk,
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+but just when I read about Nabokov and his
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+index cards to begin with,
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+I kind of tried it out a little bit and wrote
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+some shorter things on index cards and so on
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+and there really is something about the size
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+and the kind of ability to manipulate them.
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+You really can bundle them and move them
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+around easier and I think that that I think
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+he enjoyed that. So sure I mean I think you
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+can do anything with a4 paper that you could
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+do with index cards but I think there's
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+something about that form that lends itself
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+to the especially to the reorganization maybe
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+to the focus as well just because it's
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+smaller but but definitely to the
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+reorganization.
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+[Speaker 0]: Definitely So we have a lot more questions
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+now. So thank you, everyone,
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+for answering my plea for more questions.
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+Next question. How do you explore the second
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+level headings, i.e. The scenes in this
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+example, without the heading itself,
+
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+just the content? Is that clear enough?
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+[Speaker 1]: Great question. Yeah, so I've tried 2 ways,
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+sorry, 3 ways with this and landed on 1 that
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+I like. Originally I used the OX package.
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+There's an OX ignore thing in there where you
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+can add an ignore tag to where you don't want
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+the headings, but you do want the content
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+exported. I found that a little bit annoying,
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+just visually annoying,
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+when I'm, again, My theme here is navigating
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+100,000 word documents effectively and having
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+that extra visual noise was kind of a pain.
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+So I ended up, first I just did like a dumb
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+ox script as part of my publication kind of
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+pipeline that removed headlines at the scene
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+level. And then actually,
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+because I ended up leaning so heavily on
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+Pandoc, and Pandoc, for those of you who have
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+not looked at recent versions of Pandoc,
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+they've got a really fantastic way to use Lua
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+at this point to write filters.
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+So you can kind of take the AST of your
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+document and run these very simple Lua
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+filters over it. They used to be in Haskell,
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+which I'm not smart enough to write Haskell
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+is 1 of the things that I've discovered.
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+I keep bouncing off of it,
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+but I'm just smart enough to write Lua.
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+And so I use a Lua filter now,
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+which I'm happy to publish to anyone who's
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+interested. That basically lets me say,
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+you know, what level headings to get rid of
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+the heading, but publish the content.
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+And part of the reason that's been useful is
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+that some of the other novels I'm working on
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+for example have different levels of
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+hierarchy where maybe there's a part and then
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+you know at the top level and then chapter
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+and then scene and it's now the third level
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+instead of the second and it's much easier in
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+the Lua to just be like remove the third
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+level headings or the second level headings
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+or whatever it is so that's been that's been
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+helpful.
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+[Speaker 0]: Great, Moving on to the next question,
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+slightly off topic, where can we see your
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+novels?
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+[Speaker 1]: Oh well yeah, you can,
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+they're on Amazon, there's 2 of them and a
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+book of short stories.
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+I think the short stories and the second
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+novel, which is called World Enough in Time,
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+which is the 1 that kind of prompted this
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+talk, are probably of more interest to this,
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+to the Emacs focused group.
+
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+The first one's like a philosophical murder
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+mystery, but the World Enough in Time is a
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+kind of Douglas Adams inspired sci-fi comedy
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+about kind of hijinks on a relativistic speed
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+space cruiser, which was a lot of fun to
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+write. It has a lot of twisty subplots,
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+which is where I developed that technique of
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+being able to filter down to tags and see a
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+reduced version of the novel,
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+which was very handy when trying to juggle 13
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+subplots. So yeah, check it out.
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+[Speaker 0]: Great, we'll make sure that you have the
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+links available on the talk page afterwards.
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+Right now I sadly have to host so I cannot
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+look up the links but we'll make sure or if
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+[Speaker 1]: I put it in there for you.
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+[Speaker 0]: anyone in the chat... Oh you did?
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+Yeah. In the meantime we'll move on to the
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+next question. Have you looked at the Denote
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+signature features? The hierarchical nature
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+of Lumen's ideas and index cards works well
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+with Denote signatures.
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+So are you familiar with Denote first?
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+[Speaker 1]: I am not. No, it sounds like something that I
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+should check out.
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+[Speaker 0]: Yeah, Denote is a way to work with slip
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+boxes. We talked a little bit about it
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+earlier today. We talked about Orgroam,
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+we talked about Denote as well as a lighter
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+alternative to Orgroam.
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+And yeah, the organization with index cards
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+feels like it's something that would highly
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+benefit from linking and back links and any
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+kind of UX functionality for relating pieces
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+of information. So yeah,
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+definitely look it up.
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+[Speaker 1]: Yeah, I'm a heavy org-roam user.
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+I use org-roam for a lot of different stuff
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+and I would love, I will definitely check out
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+Denote as an alternative.
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+[Speaker 0]: Sure, I'm not particularly personally
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+familiar with what Signature is within Denote
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+and it'd be great if the person who asked the
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+question could perhaps provide more details
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+so that Edmund could get a little more
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+information when he returns to the document.
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+But yeah, if you're using Org-ROM,
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+you're already within the mindset that you
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+need, and perhaps you'd gain a little bit
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+extra stuff from using Dino's signature,
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+I assume. We have 8 minutes.
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+We're still good on time.
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+Next question, do you have a workflow
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+combining handwritten index cards and org
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+mode?
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+[Speaker 1]: Great question. I do not.
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+I do write by hand when I get,
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+I don't know what a good term for it is,
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+I'll call it like editorial paralysis or
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+something when I find it very hard to move
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+forward in something because I keep going
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+back and tweaking. And I will handwrite stuff
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+at that point and then type it in because
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+it's so much harder to get stuck in editing
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+mode when you have to move forward on the
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+page. I don't use index cards.
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+In the blog article that I link in my talk,
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+the ewj.io slash emacs 1,
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+I did try using handwritten or spreadsheet
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+outlines at 1 point and found them very,
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+very clumsy for novel writing just because I
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+do so much, I mean, I do so much revision
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+that moving things around meant that I had to
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+keep 2 things in sync with each other,
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+the pros and the outline.
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+And that was what really led me to Org Mode
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+as a way to keep the, again,
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+I think part of the key for me is keeping the
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+outline and the pros right next to each other
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+in a way that they move around which is just
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+really, I don't know, for me really really
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+powerful.
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+[Speaker 0]: Okay great, so we finished the list of
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+questions available on the pad,
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+but I see that some people have joined us on
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+BBB, so hi everyone. If you have any
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+questions feel free to unmute yourself and
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+ask them. Otherwise, we might go on a break.
+
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+So I'm going to give you about 10 seconds to
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+unmute yourself. Or if you just want to add
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+more questions on the pad,
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+that's also fine. And that'll give you about
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+30 seconds. Otherwise,
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+we'll need to go on a break.
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+And in the meantime, I'll thank you,
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+Edmund, for your presentation,
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+because it's always nice,
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+you know, we The reason why we have 2 tracks,
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+and we've been having 2 tracks for the last 2
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+or 3 editions of EmacsConf is because it's
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+really nice to have those talks which are
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+still related to Emacs and to far distance
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+developments because we are obviously using
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+packages. But it's really nice to see when we
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+foray into other areas like writing or any
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+kind of academia-based topics.
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+So thank you, it's really nice.
+
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+It brings different colors to the spectrum of
+
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+what EmacsConf is and what ultimately Emacs
+
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+is as well. Thank you.
+
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+[Speaker 1]: Well thanks to everyone who tuned in and Leo
+
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+thanks to you and all the other organizers
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+for putting this together.
+
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+Appreciate it.
+
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+[Speaker 0]: Thank you. All right I think we're going to
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+go on a little break for 5 minutes because I
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+don't see other questions being asked.
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+So everyone we'll see you again in 5 minutes
+
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+and thank you again, Edmund.
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+[Speaker 1]: Cheers.