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I am currently struggling to make my windows slightly larger + +00:29.700 --> 00:31.240 +because what am I doing? + +00:31.240 --> 00:34.920 +Okay, okay, I think people can see me relatively well right now. + +00:34.920 --> 00:38.120 +Yeah, I am doing well, and thank you for the joke. + +00:38.120 --> 00:42.960 +It feels like when I see people wearing suits during a BBB presentation, or sorry, not a + +00:42.960 --> 00:47.880 +BBB presentation, an EmacsConc presentation, I feel like it's a reply to my own style and + +00:47.880 --> 00:48.880 +I feel attacked. + +00:48.880 --> 00:53.200 +But I will just confirm, how do I do this without making too much of a fool, I will + +00:53.200 --> 01:00.260 +lower my standing desk, and you can see that I am actually wearing trousers. + +01:00.260 --> 01:04.000 +So yes, I am wearing socks and sandals because it's really cold right now and it's very comfortable + +01:04.000 --> 01:05.000 +as well. + +01:05.000 --> 01:11.580 +Don't ask me on this, but I am technically more dressed than you are. + +01:11.580 --> 01:17.580 +Well this was a lederhose, actually a quite nice lederhose, which you wear for specific + +01:17.580 --> 01:18.580 +occasions. + +01:18.580 --> 01:23.440 +It's not considered as something special. + +01:23.440 --> 01:28.320 +No, definitely, but it is looking a little bit odd to my French style. + +01:28.320 --> 01:32.400 +Yeah, especially the combination, yes, you're right. + +01:32.400 --> 01:36.680 +Right, we could be talking about hours for this, but I suppose people are not actually + +01:36.680 --> 01:39.720 +here to hear us talk about this, but about you talk. + +01:39.720 --> 01:44.720 +I'm not going to make the affront of asking if you've got the pad open, considering that + +01:44.720 --> 01:48.520 +you have been managing the pad and helping us manage the pad for what, three years now, + +01:48.520 --> 01:49.520 +or something? + +01:49.520 --> 01:57.240 +Yeah, but this year, actually, it's doing great without my help, so yeah. + +01:57.240 --> 02:00.100 +Actually there are already two answers. + +02:00.100 --> 02:04.360 +Somebody was nice enough to copy my answers from the IRC to here. + +02:04.360 --> 02:10.440 +Can you filter out blocked tasks on stuff like your agenda, on specific agenda view, + +02:10.440 --> 02:14.920 +when you want to know what you can do next? + +02:14.920 --> 02:20.120 +That's a tricky question. + +02:20.120 --> 02:25.280 +The blocked tasks are never shown on the agenda by default. + +02:25.280 --> 02:36.200 +Whenever there is no scheduled timestamp attached to a heading, it's not visible on my agenda. + +02:36.200 --> 02:43.400 +If you use the dependencies, as I described it in the demo, you will see that the scheduled + +02:43.400 --> 02:51.520 +timestamp, or date stamp, is only added when the previous one is marked as done, or canceled. + +02:51.520 --> 02:57.480 +So therefore, blocked tasks are never shown on the agenda by default, if you use it in + +02:57.480 --> 03:01.520 +this, in that way. + +03:01.520 --> 03:06.720 +The functionality seems quite nice, but the markup seems pretty heavy in the property + +03:06.720 --> 03:07.720 +drawers. + +03:07.720 --> 03:17.320 +Do you ever have any issues having so much meta-level information? + +03:17.320 --> 03:27.960 +No, as long as I don't have to type it manually, I don't see any issue at all, so far. + +03:27.960 --> 03:35.000 +Because I tend to have very, rather large org-mode files in any way. + +03:35.000 --> 03:41.840 +So far, I haven't thought of, oh my gosh, this is so bloated, I need to simplify it. + +03:41.840 --> 03:45.320 +Not yet. + +03:45.320 --> 03:52.360 +Looking for the IRC, if there is something going on. + +03:52.360 --> 03:56.120 +If not, we'll be able to, because this is the showdown people were waiting. + +03:56.120 --> 04:02.720 +Two years ago, you wrote an article about Algrom not being good, and I'm being polite. + +04:02.720 --> 04:05.160 +We need to fight this out right now. + +04:05.160 --> 04:07.000 +Yeah, sure. + +04:07.000 --> 04:18.120 +Actually, I do think that Zettelkasten methods are interesting, but so far, I haven't seen + +04:18.120 --> 04:21.400 +much use in my personal use. + +04:21.400 --> 04:26.960 +But I can imagine that, for example, if you're working on a PhD thesis, or you're studying + +04:26.960 --> 04:31.780 +in some research field and so forth, it's quite handy. + +04:31.780 --> 04:40.800 +The only thing my concept so far doesn't have what the usual Zettelkasten methods do provide + +04:40.800 --> 04:46.960 +is this visual navigation method, which I would not use anyway. + +04:46.960 --> 04:53.960 +So I don't see any purpose at all for Zettelkasten methods for my personal use cases, as long + +04:53.960 --> 05:01.160 +as I don't think that this visual navigation would be very handy in my case. + +05:01.160 --> 05:07.880 +I'm very happy with the bidirectional links, because they get me from A to B, and I can + +05:07.880 --> 05:12.700 +connect ideas and headings and tasks and whatnot. + +05:12.700 --> 05:20.440 +So this is basically the most important part of Zettelkasten method from my perspective. + +05:20.440 --> 05:26.880 +And this is what these bidirectional links and dependencies provide for me in my personal + +05:26.880 --> 05:27.880 +setup. + +05:27.880 --> 05:34.080 +Yeah, and I was taking a jab at it, because even you, with your own article, you were + +05:34.080 --> 05:41.080 +saying how, you know, it's a title to grab attention, but actually you had a lot of things + +05:41.080 --> 05:42.080 +Yeah, it was trick-based. + +05:42.080 --> 05:48.200 +Yeah, I didn't want to say the word, you know, I'm trying to be, like, I didn't read the + +05:48.200 --> 05:51.960 +actual title that should title the article. + +05:51.960 --> 05:55.760 +But yeah, I think you were also interested in what we were discussing yesterday. + +05:55.760 --> 06:00.240 +I can't remember which talk, because we had a number of org talks, but when I was discussing + +06:00.240 --> 06:05.680 +in one of the Q&A the concept of a slip box for multiple peoples, you seemed to be interested + +06:05.680 --> 06:07.800 +in this topic as well. + +06:07.800 --> 06:08.800 +Yes. + +06:08.800 --> 06:15.440 +Yeah, my personal interest is in personal information management, but collaborative + +06:15.440 --> 06:20.540 +information management is of course a very related and important part, and I have some + +06:20.540 --> 06:27.240 +background by writing a PhD thesis on organizing information and files and whatnot, and therefore + +06:27.240 --> 06:37.460 +I'm interested in the ideas how to make a collaborative, let's say, something that might + +06:37.460 --> 06:42.200 +actually work within a work group or even larger. + +06:42.200 --> 06:49.960 +There are some things that overlap between personal information management and collaborative, + +06:49.960 --> 07:01.680 +for example, I'm sure you know the vocabulary problem, where people do have different mental + +07:01.680 --> 07:08.520 +models of the same stuff, so therefore finding one common phrase or one common word is a + +07:08.520 --> 07:15.200 +difficult task to do, and you get these kind of troubles all over the place if you go into + +07:15.200 --> 07:16.680 +that direction. + +07:16.680 --> 07:23.560 +Yeah, this is why I think just like a lot of software solutions, they need to be backed + +07:23.560 --> 07:25.720 +up by strong methodology on the side. + +07:25.720 --> 07:30.080 +It feels like it's always a balance when you have the tools that are helping you enable + +07:30.080 --> 07:39.160 +something like Emacs, like Org, like Zorcast, EL, Orgrom, or any kind of the, I don't want + +07:39.160 --> 07:44.040 +to say Orgrom clone, it's like Dark Souls, when everything becomes a Dark Souls clone, + +07:44.040 --> 07:50.840 +that's not the point, we have Zorcast and modes in Emacs that allow you to do this no-taking, + +07:50.840 --> 07:51.840 +so that's the tools. + +07:51.840 --> 07:55.960 +And then you have the methods on the other end, which are about how do you use those + +07:55.960 --> 08:00.800 +tools to work with multiple people, we're only talking about collective sandbox here. + +08:00.800 --> 08:06.760 +And yeah, there is obviously the vocabulary discussion, the point that Carl just mentioned, + +08:06.760 --> 08:11.200 +there are some solutions methodologically, like you can have a taxonomy of all the words + +08:11.200 --> 08:16.760 +you're using, if you have a list of patterns, for instance, it's good to fix the language + +08:16.760 --> 08:21.600 +within a file, so that you can have something that people can read. + +08:21.600 --> 08:27.840 +It's kind of like, you have dictionaries, obviously, but it reminds me of some very + +08:27.840 --> 08:32.720 +specific dictionaries, like the hacker dictionary, when you have a lot of entries, where people + +08:32.720 --> 08:38.200 +can learn the lingua, how to use the internet, how to chat on IOC, stuff like this, it feels + +08:38.200 --> 08:45.320 +like a group sandbox is always going to be oriented towards solving a particular project, + +08:45.320 --> 08:49.600 +I think, and I think taxonomy and vocabulary would be very important to have. + +08:49.600 --> 08:54.280 +Anyway, I don't want to take too much, this is a very interesting topic, obviously, you + +08:54.280 --> 09:00.080 +wrote a PhD on it, and I wrote software on it, and you've wrote software on it as well, + +09:00.080 --> 09:06.640 +but we should probably talk about this later, at least, but maybe come up with something + +09:06.640 --> 09:08.640 +to present in a year or so. + +09:08.640 --> 09:09.640 +Okay. + +09:09.640 --> 09:17.480 +So, somebody wrote the BBB is not open yet, I don't know if it's on purpose or not. + +09:17.480 --> 09:18.480 +I'll do this now. + +09:18.480 --> 09:21.640 +You'll see me whisper, you'll see something very fancy, look at me, I'm going to press + +09:21.640 --> 09:24.600 +the button, you're going to see something appear at the bottom to talk to production, + +09:24.600 --> 09:30.440 +this is the thing that I've developed since yesterday, it's amazing, wasn't it? + +09:30.440 --> 09:32.840 +This was technology, right there. + +09:32.840 --> 09:37.320 +So yes, the BBB will be open in about 30 seconds to one minute. + +09:37.320 --> 09:42.080 +And people, it's the first one of the day, so I'll do the reminder. + +09:42.080 --> 09:48.440 +In order to join us in a room right now, where I'm talking with Carl, you will need to go + +09:48.440 --> 09:56.280 +to the talk page, so you can find all the talks on emaskov.org-2022. + +09:56.280 --> 10:02.000 +Then you find the talk by Carl Voigt, you can look for his name, you click on the link + +10:02.000 --> 10:06.800 +over there and at the top you will have a link to the BBB room in which we are currently. Also + +10:06.800 --> 10:13.840 +if you're on IRC you will just have gotten a notification about joining the room. So in the + +10:13.840 --> 10:18.400 +meantime Carl, how about we answer some of the new questions that you have on the pad whilst people + +10:18.400 --> 10:29.680 +get warmed up. Sure. So the next one, does this change how you use to-do keywords next to do + +10:29.680 --> 10:40.880 +blocked? Avoiding some or starting to use others? No. I don't see any connection. And my keywords + +10:40.880 --> 10:56.160 +are next, oops, next, started, waiting, done, cancelled. That's basically it if you're interested. + +10:56.160 --> 11:02.800 +But my configuration is online anyway. I can paste the link later. And yes, I can paste the link to + +11:02.800 --> 11:12.880 +my thesis as well as ask on the IRC. Carl, if you don't mind, I do have a quick question because + +11:12.880 --> 11:19.360 +I'm going to forget otherwise. We have someone in IRC asking you, is your PhD published? I'm not a + +11:19.360 --> 11:26.560 +PhD but your thesis is published. Yes, of course. Everything of my PhD is public including the actual + +11:26.560 --> 11:33.760 +research work, the hard figures of the user experiments and the derived functions, everything + +11:33.760 --> 11:41.920 +of course. The later one actually should be also in org mode so 100% reproducible which was very + +11:41.920 --> 11:47.200 +important to me. Would you have a link, so maybe not right now but in the pad, could you include a + +11:47.200 --> 11:53.760 +link later on? I've already wrote down a question for that on my own so that I don't forget to + +11:53.760 --> 11:58.240 +answer it afterwards. Okay, amazing. Thank you. You can continue with the questions. We also have + +11:58.240 --> 12:02.400 +people joining on. I see microphones now and some of the people joining on BBB so I'm excited. I'm + +12:02.400 --> 12:07.680 +getting ready for your questions. But in the meantime, Carl, feel free to go. I'm answering + +12:07.680 --> 12:15.200 +all the questions in the pad anyway so if somebody is asking something in the BBB, I'm open to it. + +12:15.200 --> 12:21.360 +Right, there is just one other thing I need to say. We need to move with the next talk in about + +12:21.360 --> 12:27.440 +eight minutes. So, Carl, if you could maybe not rush but answer fairly quickly the last questions + +12:27.440 --> 12:35.680 +on the pad, then we can move on to live Q&A inside BBB. Sure. OrgBrain has stuff like parent links + +12:35.680 --> 12:40.560 +and directional links, sibling links, and if org.roam.else had nothing else interesting, + +12:40.560 --> 12:48.560 +what about, like, the previous stuff? I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure what the previous stuff + +12:48.560 --> 12:59.360 +was either. So, referring to side window, where it's not only the linked heading, so not only the + +12:59.360 --> 13:08.240 +link is shown but actually some heading title and short contents below it. So, that's very handy + +13:08.240 --> 13:13.520 +when you are looking, like, or is it relevant, or it's not relevant. + +13:16.720 --> 13:25.040 +To me, it's not relevant at the moment. I don't have the requirement for specific link types + +13:25.760 --> 13:32.080 +or directions. I like how, Carl, you feel obligated to write and speak at the same time. + +13:32.080 --> 13:36.240 +Like, you can let go of your responsibility as the pad. We have another volunteer helping you + +13:36.240 --> 13:42.000 +with the pad right now, so don't worry about it. Perfect. So, do you find that the links are fragile, + +13:42.000 --> 13:50.080 +hard to maintain? No, not at all. The only thing that I have to remark here is probably that + +13:50.080 --> 13:58.640 +sometimes I rename the links when the heading actually was renamed afterward and the link name + +13:58.640 --> 14:06.640 +isn't reflecting the actual heading. Then I do a quick search and replace all of my Org Mode files, + +14:06.640 --> 14:13.840 +but that's basically it. So, no, I really love the bi-directional and uni-directional links, + +14:14.640 --> 14:23.440 +and it doesn't give me any burden to maintain them. Would it be of interest to, like, make auto + +14:23.440 --> 14:35.840 +description for links in Org? You have an ID, you don't have any description, but then + +14:35.840 --> 14:44.240 +description is generated automatically. My IDs are auto-generated and they are generated from + +14:44.240 --> 14:50.880 +the heading title, so usually my links are pretty much self-explanatory. + +14:50.880 --> 14:58.640 +Oh, so what you're referring to is that you have a link, then you rename the linked heading, + +14:58.640 --> 15:05.440 +and then you change the link ID. Oh yeah, that's true. Links are not synchronized with their + +15:05.440 --> 15:15.120 +headings once they are generated, but usually a heading title is not changed that often by me, + +15:15.120 --> 15:24.960 +so this is not a really important problem in my use cases. PhD thesis unlinked later. + +15:24.960 --> 15:33.440 +Why not Org UUIDs for IDs and the Preferences human-readable ones? Yeah, I hate UUIDs because + +15:33.440 --> 15:42.640 +they tell me nothing at all, so I want to get an idea to what I'm linking to. Therefore, I've got + +15:42.640 --> 15:52.800 +rid of all UUIDs in my setup and I prefer something that gives me as a user an idea of + +15:52.800 --> 16:04.000 +what's happening when I open up this link. Sorry, have you been able to hear me? Is it + +16:04.000 --> 16:10.000 +the first OTS mic of the conference? Wow, this is amazing. I was mispressing the button, I think. + +16:10.000 --> 16:14.320 +I apologize humbly, deeply, and sincerely about the hot mic. No problem. + +16:19.360 --> 16:26.640 +Do you have or use anything for what links here to this heading in a more occurred grep style + +16:26.640 --> 16:36.560 +buffer and auto? No, not yet. I'm not using that, but I may be able to what links to here + +16:36.560 --> 16:42.480 +by looking for the ID. All the heading IDs start with a date stamp and then a + +16:43.440 --> 16:52.160 +string which is made up from the heading title. If I want to see what links to this specific heading + +16:52.160 --> 17:01.200 +without having backlinks, I usually use org occur within the buffer and get the result right away. + +17:01.200 --> 17:08.640 +All right, I'm just going to give you, I have the bad role here, I have to be the man with + +17:08.640 --> 17:14.320 +the watch telling you that we have about three minutes left in this talk and afterwards we'll + +17:14.320 --> 17:18.240 +need to move on to the next one. So you have about two minutes. Carla, I didn't ask you if + +17:18.240 --> 17:22.640 +you had anything else to add over your talk. I wish we had more time to discuss because it's + +17:22.640 --> 17:26.400 +a very interesting topic, but sadly we will have to get going with the next talk in two minutes. + +17:26.400 --> 17:33.280 +So the next two minutes are yours. I continue answering questions on the + +17:33.280 --> 17:46.720 +pad of course and you'll see me around on the IRC. I'm still around in IRC. I will answer all + +17:46.720 --> 17:54.400 +the questions on the pad even after we continue and everybody who wants to get in touch and talk + +17:54.400 --> 18:01.920 +about this stuff may find me on the internet. Sure, there is still the nebulous concept. + +18:01.920 --> 18:07.520 +Every Microsoft says we should have a meeting room for maintainers or for people well invested + +18:07.520 --> 18:14.000 +into org and melpa stuff and package writing because it feels like if we have so many ideas + +18:14.640 --> 18:18.640 +and so far the only person who's been able to implement every single idea they have is + +18:18.640 --> 18:25.600 +Alfa Papa because I have no idea how they do it. That's actually a group of people I think. + +18:26.640 --> 18:33.440 +Yes, we need to check if Alfa Papa appeared in two different rooms at the same time. I need to + +18:33.440 --> 18:42.000 +confirm this for my own sanity. But yeah, barring Adam from being able to do this, we have so many + +18:42.000 --> 18:46.400 +ideas and it feels like if we were talking about them with other people we might be able to implement. + +18:46.400 --> 18:49.760 +I've been asking about the cloning machine so maybe Alfa Papa got one. + +18:51.200 --> 18:56.560 +Yeah, well anyway I'm sorry for cutting the conversation a little short but we will have + +18:56.560 --> 19:02.480 +to get started with the next talk. So thank you so much Karl for taking the time first to send a + +19:02.480 --> 19:07.440 +recording to us for answering questions now and also for being a volunteer for eMaximum. Thank + +19:07.440 --> 19:14.000 +you so much for all of those three things. Oh, you're welcome. We will probably see you next + +19:14.000 --> 19:20.160 +year. I am now definitely set on expecting a Cardboard talk every year and you will have to + +19:20.160 --> 19:25.600 +top it next year. I'm not sure what you will find to make the end funny but you have set the bar + +19:25.600 --> 19:31.840 +quite high and you need to go even higher this time. Next time without the Leda Jose oil. + +19:33.280 --> 19:38.240 +As long as you don't show up, put more clothes, not fewer garments, please. + +19:38.240 --> 19:45.520 +We will have to get started with the next talk. Thank you so much Karl. No, I'm sorry. We need to + +19:45.520 --> 19:49.760 +get moving to the next talk. I'll be closing the BBB room and we'll start with the next talk at + +19:49.760 --> 19:58.160 +the top of the minute in 30 seconds. Bye-bye everyone. Bye. All right, we are not live anymore. + +19:58.160 --> 20:01.920 +Thank you so much Karl. I have to get going. We need to make sure everything works now. + +20:01.920 --> 20:07.840 +Sure. Bye. Bye-bye. + |