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And I'll be making humorous comments when I'm not busy putting out fires in the + +00:22.720 --> 00:30.160 +background. Okay. All right. Thanks, folks. So thank you for the questions. I'll take one by one. + +00:30.160 --> 00:35.600 +How do you link the notes together so you could search through them in the future? Okay, this + +00:36.320 --> 00:44.560 +video I made before, or rather the experience that I shared with you was before I got into + +00:44.560 --> 00:51.600 +linking of notes and how to make sense of it. I'm still I mean, I'm thankful for guys like Leo for + +00:51.600 --> 00:59.120 +putting our room together. However, yes, you can take a bow. However, I'm still in the infancy of + +00:59.120 --> 01:07.200 +trying to link these topics. So the suggestion I have is once you convert your handwritten text + +01:07.200 --> 01:15.520 +into text, so handwritten stuff from your notebook into text, or if you write it, if you have a + +01:15.520 --> 01:24.640 +writing device, and you can convert it into text, input it into org rom and link it the way you + +01:24.640 --> 01:34.000 +would do it. So I have not yet gone into it. But having said that, I've started doing it like a + +01:34.000 --> 01:39.840 +week ago, I started linking these handwritten notes, which are converted into text, and then + +01:39.840 --> 01:47.760 +can be linked to any other note that you want. So that's that would be my response to the linking + +01:47.760 --> 01:54.640 +part. So which actually leads to the next question, is it necessary to OCR your handwriting? + +01:55.760 --> 02:00.720 +This is a necessary step, you have to do optical character recognition, as in convert all the + +02:00.720 --> 02:10.640 +handwritten stuff into text, because otherwise, indexing and linking becomes a problem later on. + +02:10.640 --> 02:16.240 +If it's only you going through the handwritten notes, so that you browse it and read it when + +02:16.240 --> 02:23.760 +you want it, that's okay. So you don't have to worry about OCR, just input the JPEG, the PNG, + +02:23.760 --> 02:31.600 +or whatever file you use, format you use, input it into under the org mode headline, or the org + +02:31.600 --> 02:40.720 +rom file, and you should be good to go. However, if you want the other stuff, then OCR becomes a + +02:40.720 --> 02:50.960 +necessity. So I'm unfamiliar with any package that does the OCR conversion inside of the Emacs + +02:50.960 --> 03:02.880 +ecosystem. So I use tools like OneNote, or I think Google Keep does that. I don't know of any other + +03:02.880 --> 03:10.240 +free slash open source tools which do that. I'm not familiar, but I use an external tool to convert + +03:10.240 --> 03:16.800 +handwritten text into notes, if you want the link again, read rating, if you want the linking and + +03:16.800 --> 03:24.560 +the indexing. If not, for me, sometimes screenshots and handwritten notes have to go together, + +03:24.560 --> 03:31.360 +so that I can find out, okay, this team or this student was talking about his project, + +03:31.360 --> 03:36.880 +or her project, and this is the screenshot of their presentation, and I write down my notes, + +03:36.880 --> 03:44.560 +and it goes along with that. That was for me a key to have that together, and not just hand + +03:44.560 --> 03:49.600 +typewritten notes, because I have no recollection later on, but handwritten notes I seem to recall + +03:49.600 --> 03:54.160 +better, and that's the whole idea of how to integrate. I was breaking my head over it. + +03:55.200 --> 04:01.840 +So those are the two responses to those two questions. What about searching notes? Notes + +04:01.840 --> 04:09.360 +to text while being offline? Oh my god, this is a related one as well. So yes, it is going to be + +04:09.360 --> 04:15.520 +searching has to be linked. If you want the searching facility, it has to be converted text. + +04:15.520 --> 04:22.320 +There are no two ways to that right now. Proprietary software like Google Keep seems to + +04:22.320 --> 04:31.120 +manage it. I think others, OneNote also, Dropbox also says that they can do it. I haven't tried it + +04:31.120 --> 04:37.600 +there, searching it inside these systems to look for handwritten text, because I don't use that for + +04:37.600 --> 04:44.160 +managing my projects or making sense of what I've written down. So when it comes to + +04:44.160 --> 04:53.200 +doing all those tasks, I use Org Mode. So I would say you absolutely mandatory for us to convert + +04:53.200 --> 05:00.160 +this, unless I've made that appeal at the end of my talk, saying if Org Mode, Emacs, Org Mode + +05:00.160 --> 05:06.080 +community can put their brains together. I don't know if I can help, but if you want me for + +05:06.080 --> 05:12.640 +testing your package, I certainly put my hands up for this for sure. I can do that. I'm keen on + +05:12.640 --> 05:21.680 +trying that out. I hope that answered the third question. These articles on, those articles are + +05:21.680 --> 05:28.960 +not taking seems interesting. Could you get a link for them? I'll definitely drop it in the Etherpad + +05:28.960 --> 05:38.800 +after this recording is done for sure. I will leave it there. It is my good friend in France + +05:38.800 --> 05:44.320 +who shared that with me saying when he saw the title of my talk, he sent me a whole bunch of + +05:44.320 --> 05:50.000 +articles saying, hey, this seems to support what you told me. And I have sort of shown you the + +05:50.000 --> 06:00.080 +screenshots in the video, but I'll definitely leave some of these links in the Etherpad after this. + +06:00.080 --> 06:05.360 +Oh yeah, I've used, the next question is, have you looked at taking handwritten notes on a tablet + +06:05.360 --> 06:13.920 +like, I don't know how to say that, journal with an X plus plus? So yes, I have started using it + +06:13.920 --> 06:22.560 +again. The only tools I used were OneNote and Google Keep because those were the only ones + +06:22.560 --> 06:30.080 +which would allow for writing using my stylus. I'm sure there are other apps which can do it, + +06:30.080 --> 06:35.600 +but do they convert it into text and how easy is it to input it into org mode is something that, + +06:35.600 --> 06:44.000 +so for now, the Dropbox method for me was I write notes, I take a mobile camera, take a picture, + +06:44.000 --> 06:51.440 +upload it to Dropbox. Why Dropbox? Because it allows JPEG to be uploaded. Whereas PDF, + +06:51.440 --> 07:00.080 +I find it very cumbersome from handwriting to get it in here. So JPEG, I can input it into + +07:00.080 --> 07:06.320 +org mode, I'm sorry, OneNote and that converts it into text and then I take it and put it into, + +07:07.200 --> 07:15.840 +the inbox has the image as well as the converted text. So I put it into my system, + +07:15.840 --> 07:22.240 +the org mode system. So that's how my workflow really is. I don't know if I answered that + +07:22.240 --> 07:30.720 +question very well. I've used X journal, but not a whole lot to give you intelligent advice. + +07:32.160 --> 07:36.560 +Have you tried out remarkable device to take handwritten notes as well? I haven't figured out + +07:36.560 --> 07:43.280 +how to link the files back into org mode in a constructive way yet. Okay, so yes, I've heard + +07:43.280 --> 07:50.160 +of remarkable devices. There's another one called Books, if I'm not wrong, and Amazon has also come + +07:50.160 --> 07:58.240 +up with a writing, I call it the writing Kindle. I don't know what it's called, a smarter name for + +07:58.240 --> 08:08.720 +that. So these devices do exist, but I'm not sure if they convert it into text and if they can put + +08:08.720 --> 08:15.760 +it in a repository, which is accessible on your computer, where you can import it into org mode. + +08:15.760 --> 08:24.560 +I'm not so sure about those things. So linking that would be nice if you can have access to + +08:24.560 --> 08:31.600 +where your Emacs org mode ecosystem is. For me, Dropbox works very well because it's on my mobile + +08:31.600 --> 08:38.480 +phone, smartphone, as well as on my computer. So the linking happens and I can just push it all + +08:38.480 --> 08:46.160 +into my org mode inbox and process them and refile the notes or do all the good stuff linking. If I + +08:46.160 --> 08:52.000 +have the text, I can link them, do all that I can. I can certainly do that. So that's my answer to + +08:52.880 --> 09:00.000 +the... where did it go? Remarkable stuff. That question is gone. I don't know. Okay, anyway, + +09:00.000 --> 09:03.200 +so that was... Yeah, I don't see it either anymore. It's disappeared, but thank you for + +09:03.200 --> 09:12.080 +taking the time to answer it. Okay. So next one. How are we on time, Leo? I can talk all day. + +09:13.360 --> 09:17.360 +You are completely good on time. Don't worry. We have until 45 at the current hour + +09:17.920 --> 09:22.480 +until we need to move on to the next box. It's very roomy. Take your time answering as many + +09:22.480 --> 09:27.520 +questions as you want. Okay. All right. So I won't have either. All right. Something to think about + +09:27.520 --> 09:33.440 +is handwritten and org transcribed notes, deduplication for searching. Do you want one or + +09:33.440 --> 09:39.360 +the other? Oh, okay. So this is wishlist. Oh, thank you so much for asking this question. Transcription + +09:39.360 --> 09:45.840 +for me has become important, not only handwritten, but also voice notes. So this is another thing + +09:45.840 --> 09:53.440 +that I've been... I have a couple of podcasts where I want a summary of my important points + +09:53.440 --> 10:01.760 +and I can grab the voice clips, but transcribing it, in spite of so many tools out there, + +10:01.760 --> 10:06.880 +I find it very difficult to transcribe them automatically. I can make the error corrections + +10:06.880 --> 10:13.680 +later on, but I find it extremely cumbersome to transcribe voice notes. So it would be nice + +10:13.680 --> 10:21.760 +if we can have voice transcription, one. Handwritten transcription also helps for sure. + +10:21.760 --> 10:29.360 +If it can be done, then it makes it... Actually, that's a great idea. Transcription. I wasn't + +10:29.360 --> 10:36.400 +thinking of inside. I was thinking of basically taking the notes and somehow linking it within + +10:36.400 --> 10:43.600 +the handwritten stuff itself. Maybe my limitation imagination, but transcription is definitely + +10:43.600 --> 10:51.200 +something that I would be very interested in. Voice as well as handwriting. I've seen it in + +10:51.200 --> 10:57.200 +some other software. I think it was OneNote where I saw that you can record yourself vocally and + +10:58.000 --> 11:03.360 +also there is a transcribe for paid packages. They have transcription as well. And then you + +11:03.360 --> 11:10.880 +could link text from there on. So if we can do it in our R mode system, nothing like that. I keep + +11:10.880 --> 11:21.920 +seeing it and notes keep coming up there. I keep writing it on my Wacom device or my remarkable + +11:21.920 --> 11:28.880 +device and it goes into my R mode as I write and as I speak. Unbelievable. This is important. This + +11:28.880 --> 11:35.120 +is really important. Thanks for the great idea. I hope this... Again, I volunteer myself to test + +11:35.120 --> 11:43.120 +this out as well. I have tons of... At least this year, I have produced 300 minutes of podcast + +11:43.120 --> 11:52.720 +content and I find it extremely cumbersome to transcribe it easily. So if this can do it for us, + +11:52.720 --> 12:01.280 +at least even a minute or two of the text, nothing like it. That's amazing. The last question I see + +12:01.280 --> 12:08.080 +is how often do you instead type in and summarize your notes? Would you consider that a suitable + +12:08.080 --> 12:17.120 +approach for yourself at the end of the day? That's a good idea of typing notes. When I'm in + +12:17.120 --> 12:26.400 +a hurry, I type. So when I'm in a tearing hurry or my notes is just lying somewhere and there's + +12:26.400 --> 12:32.400 +a meeting going on, I don't want to get up and go get my notes, I immediately go to my R mode and + +12:32.400 --> 12:39.680 +start typing there. So that's what I do. At the end of the day, I don't have that habit at all. + +12:39.680 --> 12:44.480 +I promised myself that I should do daily journaling and all that because it's... Everybody + +12:44.480 --> 12:50.240 +says it's a good habit. I've done it a few times and I found it to be good, but it's not a habit + +12:50.240 --> 13:00.400 +I'm yet on. So I mean, I also have a shortcut, a keyboard shortcut for the org-grown dailies. + +13:01.360 --> 13:05.440 +I do have that and it shows up on the calendar, the blue color. I love those features, + +13:05.440 --> 13:11.520 +but I'm not on it. I should make it a habit. As much as I look at my org agenda, + +13:11.520 --> 13:21.280 +you should have dailies as well. I type out when I'm in a hurry. Perhaps even writing + +13:22.240 --> 13:30.720 +your daily journal could be helpful. Particularly, I find that I'm comfortable typing English + +13:30.720 --> 13:40.080 +letters. If non-English, for example, my mother tongue has a different script, which I can't + +13:40.080 --> 13:46.560 +easily type using English. So perhaps writing is easier there for me rather than typing it out. + +13:46.560 --> 13:56.000 +It feels very weird. So perhaps that could help for non-English, non-Roman script. Perhaps + +13:56.000 --> 13:59.840 +writing is better for journaling as well. I guess that could help. + +14:02.320 --> 14:07.040 +Okay, Bala, if I can interrupt you for a second because don't worry, I'm not stopping you with + +14:07.040 --> 14:12.000 +the questions. I told you you have until 45 and I will honor what I said before. But I just wanted + +14:12.000 --> 14:17.440 +to let people know that we have opened up the BBB chat room. So if people want to join the room now + +14:17.440 --> 14:21.440 +and ask questions directly to Bala, who has already answered many of your questions on the + +14:21.440 --> 14:27.520 +pad, but if you have more questions or if you'd just like to chat with Bala, well, do feel free to + +14:28.320 --> 14:34.240 +join the room. The link has been pasted on the ISE channels. It's also available on the talk page at + +14:34.240 --> 14:39.040 +the top. So you should be able to find the link pretty easily. And even if we move to the next + +14:39.040 --> 14:42.960 +talk, if you're still there and still want to chat with Bala, provided Bala is available and does not + +14:42.960 --> 14:48.400 +need to sleep, by the way, with respect to the fact that it's really late over there, do feel free to + +14:48.400 --> 14:53.200 +hang around a little more and ask more questions and we'll be posting all of this on the website + +14:53.200 --> 14:58.000 +afterwards. So Bala, I think, do you have one more question on the pad or was it the last one? + +14:58.000 --> 15:04.080 +Let me check. I think that was the last one. Oh, there is a new question coming up just before that. + +15:04.800 --> 15:11.280 +Do take it then. Sure. I was going to say something of an experience I wanted to share, + +15:11.280 --> 15:18.720 +but anyway, I can answer this. How fancy has your handwritten notes import been? + +15:18.720 --> 15:28.800 +Okay, I'm going to wait for this. I'm not sure if we're talking about importing the notes into, + +15:28.800 --> 15:34.080 +like, is it merely importing the files or is it about importing it to your note-taking system, + +15:34.080 --> 15:42.720 +like, or whatnot? Okay, okay, okay. I get it. I get it. So I have a simple system for, yes, + +15:42.720 --> 15:50.240 +I absolutely agree with you. I mean, the birth of org-mode was that you wanted notes and you wanted + +15:50.240 --> 15:57.120 +tasks inside it, right? So that was the origin of that. So I think the same philosophy applies for + +15:57.120 --> 16:03.440 +handwritten notes as well because you're writing down notes and somebody says, hey Bala, can you + +16:03.440 --> 16:10.560 +send me this document by next Wednesday? And I write that down in my notes and then I send it + +16:10.560 --> 16:18.000 +and I write that down in my notes and that's a task. So I just put a star next to it. So I know + +16:18.000 --> 16:25.600 +when I am scanning, I don't think that shows up as a, I don't think star shows up as anything in my + +16:26.240 --> 16:34.320 +import, but I know when I'm scanning it that I need to keep track of that as a task. So in the + +16:34.320 --> 16:44.880 +talk about it is in OneNote, control-1 is the shortcut for ToDo and if it is converted into + +16:44.880 --> 16:54.720 +text, yes, of course, alt-enter in org-mode will work as well. So yes, so I think that is important + +16:54.720 --> 17:01.040 +even, so that's the only thing that I do is an asterisk or a star just before the note so that + +17:01.040 --> 17:09.360 +it tells me that it is a task that I have to keep track of. I even put a date so that the + +17:09.360 --> 17:18.160 +numbers also get imported into org-mode. But my wish list, this has gotten me into me wishing is + +17:18.880 --> 17:25.600 +if the handwriting notes, I mean the gadget, the device, the remarkable or the Amazon + +17:25.600 --> 17:34.160 +writing pads of the world, if we can actually write down notes with a star, an asterisk, + +17:34.160 --> 17:40.320 +and the headline and scheduled and all that and import it directly into org-mode, I think + +17:40.320 --> 17:47.840 +that's doing away with a whole bunch of in-between scanning, uploading, processing, and all that. This + +17:47.840 --> 17:54.000 +can go directly, you can start refiling into your system. So that would be nice. So somebody + +17:54.000 --> 18:01.520 +is asking me for a wish list, here's one more too, if we can do that. So that makes basically + +18:01.520 --> 18:08.960 +a writing org-mode rather than like as if it's a language, like a human language, rather than it + +18:08.960 --> 18:14.080 +being something restricted to a computer. So that's interesting. That's an interesting thought. + +18:15.440 --> 18:22.480 +Just to glorify handwriting, I don't know if it has anything to do with the questions. A few days + +18:22.480 --> 18:30.400 +ago, a client of mine asked me for a talk and I was going to give them the plain vanilla talk, + +18:31.280 --> 18:38.880 +but I decided to pause myself and write down what I was going to talk about. Actually that gave + +18:38.880 --> 18:48.080 +rise to a completely different idea and the whole thing was far more effective compared to what was + +18:48.080 --> 18:57.280 +my plain vanilla. According to me, that handwritten ideation that I did with a white space really + +18:57.280 --> 19:05.600 +helped me think beyond what was my plain vanilla talk. Of course, the talk went well, I think, + +19:06.160 --> 19:12.640 +and the audience did have fun because I even jotted down a few things that I wanted to crack + +19:12.640 --> 19:19.120 +jokes on. All that went into my notes. So I think handwriting is sort of under-marketed, + +19:19.120 --> 19:25.680 +underplayed so much with the advent of typing and these things becoming so efficient and easy + +19:25.680 --> 19:32.000 +that I think that all your ideas, if they come together, I think handwritten notes will become + +19:33.200 --> 19:40.160 +part and parcel of the org-mode system itself and an effective and efficient way of capturing our + +19:40.160 --> 19:49.280 +thoughts. All right, Bala. So I think you don't have any more questions currently. I don't see + +19:49.280 --> 19:53.040 +anyone with a microphone on. So by the way, if you're joining us on BBB and if you want to ask + +19:53.040 --> 19:57.120 +your questions, you do have to join with a microphone. It is interesting for you to join + +19:57.120 --> 20:02.960 +listening only, but if everyone does this and nobody turns on the microphone, it's going to be + +20:02.960 --> 20:07.200 +very lonely for Bala and myself. I can ask questions for you. I have plenty of questions + +20:07.200 --> 20:11.680 +that I'd love to ask. I did get my own tablet. Oh, actually, let me show the stream. Let me... + +20:11.680 --> 20:17.200 +Oops. Can I un-full screen this? Yes. Okay. Let me try to make the screen a little bigger so that + +20:17.200 --> 20:21.680 +you can see me. Okay. I was going to talk to you about, if we have a little more time, because I do + +20:21.680 --> 20:26.800 +have a tablet like this, which allows me to do handwritten notes. This is... Don't worry too much. + +20:26.800 --> 20:32.720 +This is a lead code exit slide that I was solving. And this is Yink, which allows me to type my + +20:32.720 --> 20:38.640 +stuff. And I bought this about two years ago. And I've really been struggling to find ways to... + +20:40.080 --> 20:44.720 +How do I work both in the Emacs and how do I work with my NVDA notes, which is why I was really + +20:44.720 --> 20:49.840 +interested with your talk, because honestly, right now, those are two completely separate + +20:49.840 --> 20:54.800 +collections of notes. What is in my machine, this device right there, is its own thing. + +20:56.080 --> 21:01.760 +It has its own quality. Do I do my journaling in it? I do my journaling, maybe. I also do my lead + +21:01.760 --> 21:09.040 +code exercise. But that's about it. And I wish it were easy for me to connect the dots between + +21:09.040 --> 21:14.400 +what I've got on this device and what I've got on my computer right in front of me. So I can talk + +21:14.400 --> 21:20.800 +some more about this, but people could also join and ask their own questions. I can talk to Bala + +21:20.800 --> 21:27.840 +whenever I want. I've been in touch with Bala for quite a while. And I'll be able to do this + +21:27.840 --> 21:32.640 +whenever. But this is your chance for you to do this, to have your question answered, + +21:32.640 --> 21:38.640 +and for the question to leave on EmacsConf forever and ever. All the talks for EmacsConf, + +21:38.640 --> 21:44.080 +all the questions since three years ago have been published. So it is your chance to, + +21:45.440 --> 21:50.160 +if you're not making a talk of your own, at least you have the questions of your own leaving on + +21:50.160 --> 21:59.920 +a website. So Bala, I believe you were a little interested with my little device. Do you actually + +21:59.920 --> 22:04.640 +have a device of your own that allows you to take notes like this? Or is it just written on paper? + +22:06.240 --> 22:14.800 +My computer is a touchscreen, so I can write. I have a stylus that I can use to write anywhere + +22:14.800 --> 22:22.080 +on the screen. So I take the laptop and actually fold it, and I can use it like a notebook. So this + +22:22.080 --> 22:29.840 +is my use case these days. So when I'm learning, I'm learning Japanese, by the way. And I tell you, + +22:30.480 --> 22:35.840 +there's no way I could have retained so much if I had not written Japanese out, the characters. So + +22:37.200 --> 22:44.400 +this is critical. Writing is critical. And their ideas, when they're externalized, + +22:44.400 --> 22:50.160 +you see it while you're writing it, there's a physical action, you feel the proximity to your + +22:50.800 --> 23:00.800 +ideas, what you're doing. So typing, yes, it is also physical. But for me, it's one step away from + +23:02.160 --> 23:07.760 +writing down. For me, that's going to make you laugh. I was also studying Japanese and I do have + +23:07.760 --> 23:14.800 +my own kanji that allows me to do my practice. So please don't look at it. If you're going to pause + +23:14.800 --> 23:18.640 +this video and check what I've written, you will be sorely disappointed because those are just + +23:18.640 --> 23:24.160 +collection of verbs. But this is how I practice my kanji as well. And it's been amazing. This is, + +23:25.040 --> 23:28.800 +you know, it is such a wonderful usage, because if you try learning kanji, + +23:28.800 --> 23:32.480 +just by seeing them and not putting them in your hand or embedding them in your hands, + +23:32.480 --> 23:38.400 +it's so complicated to do so. Oh, we have more things in common than I imagined. Okay. + +23:40.400 --> 23:45.760 +Yeah. So we happen to have someone in the room currently. Jack, I believe, is their nickname. + +23:46.480 --> 23:50.000 +Do you have a question? And do you want to maybe unmute yourself to ask the question? + +23:50.000 --> 23:53.520 +You are more than welcome to do so now. I might actually need to unmute you. Actually, + +23:53.520 --> 23:56.640 +I can't. Can you unmute yourself and ask the question if you want to? + +23:56.640 --> 24:06.640 +I'm just trying to get my headset set up. I'm having the similar struggle with this issue of + +24:06.640 --> 24:12.880 +handwriting my notes because that's the easiest way for me to write them quickly. It's also very, + +24:12.880 --> 24:20.880 +it does help me retain the information better. But then getting them back into org mode. I'm + +24:20.880 --> 24:26.480 +about to start experimenting with some of the iPad apps like Notability and GoodNotes to see + +24:26.480 --> 24:36.320 +if that can work or if I can use Apple Notes for that as well. My interests are probably similar + +24:36.320 --> 24:46.960 +to yours. I'm studying computer science, and I have two kinds of notes that are very difficult to + +24:46.960 --> 24:54.000 +transcribe. Mind maps, which is often the way I take class notes because it's a good outlining + +24:54.000 --> 25:04.960 +form. But the handwriting recognition blows if you're part of the expression. And equations, + +25:04.960 --> 25:16.000 +particularly involving proof steps for formal semantics. And I'm wondering if you have any ideas + +25:16.000 --> 25:22.720 +about mind mapping in particular and getting those incorporated from handwritten notes. I hate using + +25:22.720 --> 25:31.840 +the mind mapping tools that are available. I find that that replaces the bad methods that + +25:31.840 --> 25:42.240 +I use. It replaces the bad memory generation from typing with a bad memory generation for mind + +25:42.240 --> 25:53.440 +mapping. But if you have any thoughts, I'd love to hear them. Actually, I have used mind mapping + +25:53.440 --> 26:08.240 +tools. I use something called function maps, where you not only have interlinking relationships, + +26:08.240 --> 26:13.360 +this also has what is the relationship, what is the nature of relationships. All that I've been + +26:13.360 --> 26:23.760 +drawing it on my laptop screen. So that helps me internalize that. So I do not convert it into + +26:23.760 --> 26:31.920 +any other digital format. I leave it as a picture because every time I read it, but in the digital + +26:31.920 --> 26:40.160 +format itself, when you have new understanding, you can actually add another object and interlink + +26:40.160 --> 26:45.680 +them and add the relationship. So it's a lot easier if it's on this. But on a piece of paper, + +26:46.960 --> 26:55.040 +drawing a mind map and or function map and editing it and moving things around becomes a problem. + +26:55.040 --> 27:04.320 +So I find that doing it on a device and retaining it as such, not converting it into a free mind or + +27:04.320 --> 27:12.240 +any of those kind of XML or anything like that, doesn't help me at all, or a plan TML even. But + +27:12.240 --> 27:20.720 +I find that I leave it as such in the digital format. You can select it, like a lasso select, + +27:20.720 --> 27:27.440 +move it around and add new objects or remove it or shade it. You can do all those good stuff, + +27:27.440 --> 27:34.640 +if it is remaining in the same way. So I like it to be that way. Yeah, I've done that as well + +27:34.640 --> 27:44.560 +on the iPad. I'll use Nebo or something like that to give me a good way of rearranging the mind map + +27:45.600 --> 27:53.840 +directly in the iPad, exporting it as a JPEG and linking it to other notes documents that I have. + +27:53.840 --> 28:03.040 +But I do wish I had a better way of extracting the keywords that come out of it and having + +28:03.040 --> 28:09.840 +those searchable. But I get it. Okay, the answer is no, I don't have any. I usually link the live + +28:09.840 --> 28:17.840 +document itself into org mode. So for example, OneNote. OneNote colon and the entire... I just + +28:17.840 --> 28:22.640 +click on that and it goes, opens the exact document that I want and I can add more to it. + +28:22.640 --> 28:28.000 +I do something very simple. + +28:28.000 --> 28:33.200 +All right, folks, I'm really sorry for interrupting you, but we are getting close to time. + +28:33.200 --> 28:38.560 +Thank you so much for joining. We have four people on the scene right now, which is amazing. + +28:38.560 --> 28:45.440 +You can continue talking about this and people can still tune in. The link to the BBB room + +28:45.440 --> 28:50.640 +is still available on Bala's talk. You go to EmacsConf 2022, you go to the talk of Bala and + +28:50.640 --> 28:55.200 +you'll find the link at the top of the page. You can come in the room and chat with Bala some more. + +28:55.200 --> 28:58.960 +But for us on the stream, we're going to move on to the next talk in about 40 seconds. + +28:58.960 --> 29:02.400 +So Bala, thank you so much for taking all the time answering all the questions. And thank you, + +29:02.400 --> 29:08.240 +Gag, also for coming and asking also lovely questions. I suppose it was really good. + +29:08.960 --> 29:14.720 +Yeah, thank you. It was great seeing you. Sorry, I'm rushing because I'm being pressed for time. + +29:14.720 --> 29:21.360 +And I will see you both whenever I see you. OK, bye bye everyone. + +29:21.360 --> 29:23.280 +See you. Bye bye, Leo. Take care. + +29:28.000 --> 29:32.080 +Actually, I'm not sure. We are probably getting the next talk started currently, + +29:32.080 --> 29:36.000 +so you can probably still hear me on the stream, but it's going to take about + +29:36.000 --> 29:37.760 +three seconds. I'll see you after. + +29:37.760 --> 29:47.200 +OK, we are now off air. Thank you so much, Bala, for taking the time to answer all the questions. + +29:48.160 --> 29:49.120 +Thank you. Ciao. + +29:50.320 --> 29:54.800 +Yeah, I think no one is left in a BBB room, so I think people are probably not going to show up. + +29:54.800 --> 29:58.480 +So you've earned your well, your rest for tonight. + +29:59.920 --> 30:00.720 +OK, thanks. + +30:01.840 --> 30:05.040 +Mine will not come before a long time. I still have about seven hours to stream. + +30:05.040 --> 30:07.120 +Oh, my God. OK. + +30:09.360 --> 30:11.440 +All right. Well, thank you so much, Bala. See you next time. + +30:11.440 --> 30:14.400 +Thanks. Have a good day and I'll catch you soon. OK. + +30:14.960 --> 30:16.160 +Sure. 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