diff options
Diffstat (limited to '2022/captions/emacsconf-2022-buttons--linking-personal-info-with-hyperbole-implicit-buttons--mats-lidell--answers.vtt')
| -rw-r--r-- | 2022/captions/emacsconf-2022-buttons--linking-personal-info-with-hyperbole-implicit-buttons--mats-lidell--answers.vtt | 1004 |
1 files changed, 1004 insertions, 0 deletions
diff --git a/2022/captions/emacsconf-2022-buttons--linking-personal-info-with-hyperbole-implicit-buttons--mats-lidell--answers.vtt b/2022/captions/emacsconf-2022-buttons--linking-personal-info-with-hyperbole-implicit-buttons--mats-lidell--answers.vtt new file mode 100644 index 00000000..5ade9186 --- /dev/null +++ b/2022/captions/emacsconf-2022-buttons--linking-personal-info-with-hyperbole-implicit-buttons--mats-lidell--answers.vtt @@ -0,0 +1,1004 @@ +WEBVTT + +NOTE Introduction + +00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.799 +Yes. Okay. Hi, everyone. We are back now, and I'm with Mats. Hi, Mats. + +00:00:06.800 --> 00:00:09.559 +Hi. How are you doing? + +00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:11.879 +I'm fine. How are you? + +00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.239 +I'm doing great as well. As the talk goes by, + +00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:20.119 +I keep warming up, and this is a very nice feeling. I look absolutely big + +00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:23.639 +with this down jacket, but it works, and I'm not going to question it. + +00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:27.039 +You do know, for the people coming every year to AMX Conf, that I do try + +00:00:27.040 --> 00:00:30.999 +to look dashing, but I also need to be warm, because this year, + +00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:33.359 +we are doing it in December and not in November. + +00:00:33.360 --> 00:00:36.639 +Okay. So, Mats, + +00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.599 +how about you start reading questions? I believe you've got one already. + +NOTE So with one line of code you can create custom hyperbutton types that are live in any Emacs buffer. Is that right? + +00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:45.719 +I got one question already. Yes. The question is, so with one line of code, + +00:00:45.720 --> 00:00:50.279 +you can create custom hyper button types that are live in an AMX buffer. + +00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:55.959 +Is that right? Yes. The short answer is yes. + +00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:01.599 +Maybe I should use the presentation and go into here. + +00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:09.759 +Let's see if I can find it. + +00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:17.839 +No. Read it wrong. So, here, the field macro allows you, in principle, to, + +00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:22.759 +in one line, define a hyper button, starting with the starting delimiter + +00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.519 +and an end delimiter, and then there's this mapping + +00:01:25.520 --> 00:01:36.319 +to whatever functionality should sort of come out of pressing that button. + +00:01:36.320 --> 00:01:39.199 +So, that was significantly more than just a yes. Thank you. + +00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:42.479 +I'll be glad we put your screen up so that you can answer this. + +00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:45.479 +So, people, just to remind you, so we do have the pad to answer the pad + +00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:49.039 +to ask you questions over there. We are, let me check + +00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:54.799 +how much time we have for this Q&A. We have until 15 of the next hour, + +00:01:54.800 --> 00:02:00.719 +which leaves about 20 minutes, but right now we only have one question. + +00:02:00.720 --> 00:02:07.519 +So, people on ISE, if you could place questions in the pad. Right. + +00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:10.679 +Sorry, I'm managing multiple things at the same time. + +00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.839 +Is there anything else you wanted to talk about? Anything else? + +00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.479 +Because, you know, to let people know, + +00:02:16.480 --> 00:02:19.719 +we do ask speakers to submit pre-recordings to us + +00:02:19.720 --> 00:02:21.639 +because it makes our life much easier on the day + +00:02:21.640 --> 00:02:25.519 +of the recording at EmacsConf, on the day of the conference at EmacsConf, + +00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:29.479 +because this way we can get away with not having + +00:02:29.480 --> 00:02:33.559 +to worry about live presentation catching fires and not, oh, + +00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.039 +I cannot share my screen, my microphone is not working. + +00:02:36.040 --> 00:02:40.439 +So, not only is everything working today inside the BBBO room, + +00:02:40.440 --> 00:02:44.159 +but Matt also sent a pre-recording. So, that's great. + +00:02:44.160 --> 00:02:50.079 +I got another question. Oh yes, go, but please, I'm down in the background. + +00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.319 +Let me jump over to the second question. + +NOTE Is there a good way to share common patterns for links other than the ones that you shared? shall those be PRs to your repository? + +00:02:53.320 --> 00:02:56.639 +The second question is, is there a good way to share common patterns + +00:02:56.640 --> 00:03:00.399 +for links other than the ones that you shared? + +00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.599 +Shall those be pull requests to your repository? + +00:03:05.600 --> 00:03:16.919 +Okay, let me think. Those should not be pull requests to our repository + +00:03:16.920 --> 00:03:19.999 +because these are your patterns, your links. + +00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.959 +That's something you would share like that I'm showing here. + +00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.239 +Could even be like you're sharing maybe the pattern, how this + +00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.599 +button looks, but maybe the implementation could in principle be different. + +00:03:31.600 --> 00:03:36.359 +So, the one you're sharing with might put their information + +00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:41.719 +in some other storage that might be accessed using the same information, + +00:03:41.720 --> 00:03:46.439 +or maybe just placed in some other part of the file system. + +00:03:46.440 --> 00:03:53.239 +So, the only good way to share it would be like to send it over email + +00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.519 +or some other message to someone else. Share it some way. + +00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:02.639 +First question. I like the link to evaluate calc expressions. + +00:04:02.640 --> 00:04:07.879 +Any way to get the outcome into the buffer and not just in the message window? + +00:04:07.880 --> 00:04:13.999 +I mean, that will be up to the sort of the implementation of the function + +00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:19.519 +that you would use in the bottom. I mean, the function that + +00:04:19.520 --> 00:04:25.999 +is evaluated could do anything really. So, that was just an example + +00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.519 +to show that you could, you don't have to be a link that you actually go + +00:04:30.520 --> 00:04:34.399 +to some new place. It can just be some computation or whatever. So, + +00:04:34.400 --> 00:04:39.519 +that's just trying to show that you shouldn't be limiting yourself + +00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:44.399 +to just thinking about links. It can be computing anything. + +00:04:44.400 --> 00:04:49.959 +It's really the thing about Elisp really. It's just when people ask you, + +00:04:49.960 --> 00:04:53.439 +you know, when they come from outside of Emacs and they ask you, + +00:04:53.440 --> 00:04:56.759 +can your function do this? The answer is more often than not, yes. + +00:04:56.760 --> 00:04:59.159 +Can you write it in Elisp? Yeah, I might need + +00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:01.839 +to look at the documentation a little bit, but I'll be able to do it. + +00:05:01.840 --> 00:05:06.239 +And, you know, calc does have the ability to paste the result + +00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.879 +when you're not calc used as a library, but calc the node. + +00:05:10.880 --> 00:05:13.319 +When you type something in it and you press Y, + +00:05:13.320 --> 00:05:17.119 +it will paste it into the buffer, which means that there is the ability + +00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.799 +to communicate between calc and the buffer you're currently in. So, + +00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.439 +it's probably just a matter of doing Ctrl-H-K-Y inside the calc mode, + +00:05:24.440 --> 00:05:27.719 +checking which function is running, and just putting this at the end + +00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:29.319 +of the button, and voila, there you go. + +00:05:29.320 --> 00:05:34.079 +So, Matt, I don't think you have any questions at the moment. + +00:05:34.080 --> 00:05:37.559 +We're going to leave some time for people to gather more questions, + +00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:41.839 +but I think, if I'm not mistaken, I might be wrong with the, + +00:05:41.840 --> 00:05:42.919 +we changed the schedule a little bit, + +00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:46.719 +but you're the first Hyperbole talk for today, + +00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:52.319 +and as such, you are introducing people to the concept of buttons, + +00:05:52.320 --> 00:05:56.719 +which is very instrumental to Hyperbole. Hyperbole? + +00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.639 +I'm going to go with Hyperbole, actually. + +00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.919 +So, could you maybe, I know it's a big task, + +00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:07.639 +and you've also touched upon what Hyperbole was, but a lot + +00:06:07.640 --> 00:06:10.599 +of people always ask, you know, Hyperbole, Org Mode, + +00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:13.559 +I see both of them sometimes crop up at the top of the subreddit, + +00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.519 +and I'm not exactly sure which one is doing which. + +00:06:16.520 --> 00:06:22.239 +You're using the term links, and this speaks to me as someone who works + +00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.359 +in Zettelkasten Methods, so maybe + +00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.479 +could you, I'm asking you with a very difficult question now, + +NOTE Could you differentiate Hyperbole and Org? + +00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:32.359 +could you differentiate maybe Hyperbole and Org, or try your best, + +00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:38.119 +knowing that we'll have more Hyperbole talks later in the conference? + +00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:45.959 +Well, I will not try to get into that sort of wormhole, + +00:06:45.960 --> 00:06:56.919 +because I don't think they should be compared, they're more companions, so yeah. + +00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.479 +It's the best way you could have answered this question, and you know, + +00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.799 +I'm going to remove you from this tricky situation in which I put you, + +00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.999 +so yes, they are complementary tool, they do some of the same thing, + +00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.639 +they do have different philosophy, and at the end, + +00:07:11.640 --> 00:07:13.079 +if they allow you to take notes, + +00:07:13.080 --> 00:07:15.999 +if they allow you to relate notes in different places, + +00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.239 +you know, it's a good note-taking system. Let's put it at this, + +00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:23.519 +let's not concern ourselves with comparison, at least Org, you know, + +00:07:23.520 --> 00:07:26.559 +the best thing about comparing is cross-pollination, + +00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.639 +which is made all the more easier with something like Emacs, + +00:07:29.640 --> 00:07:33.399 +because ideas from one mode can be taken and applied in another mode. + +00:07:33.400 --> 00:07:36.799 +Now, maybe not straightforwardly between Hyperbole and Org, + +00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:39.439 +but the idea can be translated at the very least. + +00:07:39.440 --> 00:07:42.959 +You did have a question, I'll answer this one very quick, + +00:07:42.960 --> 00:07:44.639 +because it's a quick one. + +00:07:44.640 --> 00:07:46.919 +Yeah, yes, you want to take it? + +00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:51.079 +I just want to quickly follow up on what you said there, + +00:07:51.080 --> 00:07:56.399 +that, ah, now I lost, I lost it, maybe come back, + +00:07:56.400 --> 00:07:59.039 +so let's jump into the question instead, + +00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:08.239 +because I got an answer, so thank you for everybody who wrote the answer, + +00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:13.359 +great, and the next question was, this talk is really straightforward, + +00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.119 +so that's probably why there aren't many questions, + +00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:19.959 +maybe Mats could talk about Hyperbole in general, while he was, aha, okay, + +00:08:19.960 --> 00:08:24.279 +that's maybe what you were trying to do here, so maybe I should, + +00:08:24.280 --> 00:08:27.719 +and the last one is, second question, last question is, + +NOTE How did you present the right buffer with shortcuts at the right of your buffer? + +00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.719 +how did you present the lossage bar at the right of your buffer? + +00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:36.639 +A lot of people are wondering, the lossage bar, oh, well, you have + +00:08:36.640 --> 00:08:41.399 +to elaborate on what the lossage bar is. I can, although + +00:08:41.400 --> 00:08:45.199 +I do have a slight problem, my daily backup is running, + +00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.639 +so if my voice is crackly, I'm sorry, I can't do anything about it, + +00:08:48.640 --> 00:08:49.279 +can you hear me? + +00:08:49.280 --> 00:08:51.719 +Yeah, you're shopping up, + +00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:57.319 +but I can understand what you're saying, so that's great. + +00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:01.719 +So lossage is the stuff that you have on the right side of your screen, + +00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.399 +it's the commands that you're running and the key binding that you're using + +00:09:05.400 --> 00:09:08.719 +to run them, and yes, this is a mode that we ask, + +00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:12.159 +or that we provide Emacs on speakers with, + +00:09:12.160 --> 00:09:16.599 +and it's called interactive log mode, which is available on GitHub, + +00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:21.079 +which will allow you to have this pretty print on the right side of your screen, + +00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:22.279 +or whatever really, it's just a buffer. + +00:09:22.280 --> 00:09:30.159 +Yeah, and I haven't used it before doing this presentation, so it was a news + +00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:38.559 +to me, so I'm very new to using it, but it works. Well, if you move around, + +00:09:38.560 --> 00:09:40.199 +you see that, yeah. + +00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:46.519 +So for the people, we did open up the BBB chat room now, + +00:09:46.520 --> 00:09:50.199 +which means that again, if you go to the talk page for Matz, + +00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:56.839 +where this was Button, you will be able to join the BBB by clicking on the link, + +00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:59.199 +and you'll be able to ask questions right away to Matz. + +00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:03.439 +We've started a nice question about org hyperbole and stuff like this, + +00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.559 +but maybe we should, yes, I'm trying to save you here, + +00:10:06.560 --> 00:10:09.679 +maybe we should re-center on the buttons and what they can do, + +00:10:09.680 --> 00:10:13.679 +especially what we talked about Elisp, allowing buttons to be whatever, + +00:10:13.680 --> 00:10:17.839 +and since Matz, you have your Emacs available, + +00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:21.279 +it might be a good opportunity for you to show some of the buttons + +00:10:21.280 --> 00:10:24.119 +that you're using as well, maybe some different ones that you've presented. + +00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.199 +So if people want to join, that would be a great opportunity + +00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:32.359 +to ask your questions. We have about 20 more minutes of Q&A, + +00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:36.199 +and if we don't have any more people showing up + +00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:40.319 +and no more questions on the pad, we can also go on a little break, + +00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:44.719 +and I would appreciate this, but I'm also happy to stay. + +00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:52.479 +Yeah, I understand the interest, but there are more talks coming up + +00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:58.199 +in related to hyperbole, and I haven't prepared any cool stuff. + +NOTE Working with different support systems + +00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:02.639 +What I could mention that I think is cool, I will not demo that, + +00:11:02.640 --> 00:11:09.919 +but I work as a programmer, and then I have different support systems, + +00:11:09.920 --> 00:11:16.719 +which have these strings, identifiers that may be linked + +00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:23.799 +to different information, like a ticketing system, for instance, + +00:11:23.800 --> 00:11:29.199 +that would do bugs. It could be like a novel text string + +00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:38.639 +that identify your bug or your ticket, and it's an internal tool, + +00:11:38.640 --> 00:11:42.799 +so no one else can support that, but by using hyperbole, + +00:11:42.800 --> 00:11:46.839 +I can write my own interpretation of that string + +00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.999 +and get that to work as a button, so I can easily + +00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:56.279 +from the code or from some notes link directly into that ticketing system. + +00:11:56.280 --> 00:12:03.919 +So that's the point I'm trying to make with this talk is + +00:12:03.920 --> 00:12:07.839 +that it's useful for setting up your own environment + +00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.719 +that only you really know about and how you want to navigate + +00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:20.599 +with your information, and it's not about trying to force some type + +00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:25.719 +of work stream upon anybody. It's more like giving you the opportunity + +00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.319 +to streamline your own workflow instead. + +00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.479 +I think the remaining talks about hyperbole will be more focused + +00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:38.199 +on all the features. It's a multi-functional package + +00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.119 +with a lot of different stuff in it, + +00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:46.999 +so I could not give justice to it in just doing some quick demos. + +00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.119 +It won't show all the things you can do. + +00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.639 +Yeah, but I'm going to say for someone saying + +00:12:52.640 --> 00:12:54.839 +that you couldn't do justice to the topic, + +00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.079 +you've done a very fine job, so do not worry about this. + +00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.759 +It's funny, I was listening to you describe this, the + +00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:03.759 +buttons really, but when + +00:13:03.760 --> 00:13:06.839 +you think about it, you could have forgotten about the buttons + +00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:11.239 +and really remembered about Emacs and would make as much sense as well, + +00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:14.799 +because Emacs as a whole, the Elisp stuff behind it allows you + +00:13:14.800 --> 00:13:17.039 +to do whatever interface you want very easily, + +00:13:17.040 --> 00:13:23.759 +and the buttons really enshrines the interface type of things really, + +00:13:23.760 --> 00:13:26.399 +because you just have a button that is running code. + +00:13:26.400 --> 00:13:27.799 +It's no longer, oh, you need to go to + +00:13:27.800 --> 00:13:30.079 +the end of the parenthesis, the end of the sex, + +00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:32.879 +and you need to evaluate it. There's something more interactive about it, + +00:13:32.880 --> 00:13:35.879 +which feels closer to your user interface as a result to this, + +00:13:35.880 --> 00:13:37.959 +but I've already blabbered enough. + +00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.639 +We do have someone with a microphone in the VBB chat, + +00:13:40.640 --> 00:13:43.399 +so does this person want to unmute themselves + +00:13:43.400 --> 00:13:44.279 +and ask a question, maybe? + +00:13:44.280 --> 00:13:52.879 +I think I have some very knowledgeable person about hyperbole in the chat. + +00:13:52.880 --> 00:13:57.639 +Yes, I didn't want to spoil it, but I'm not sure if they're going + +00:13:57.640 --> 00:14:00.759 +to unmute themselves, so I don't want to put too much pressure on them. + +00:14:00.760 --> 00:14:03.519 +Can you guys hear me? We can, yes. + +00:14:03.520 --> 00:14:09.879 +Hi, Bob. Hi, long time fan of hyperbole. + +00:14:09.880 --> 00:14:12.919 +You might want to cue people in on a joke here, + +00:14:12.920 --> 00:14:14.599 +because I'm not sure if anyone knows who you are. + +NOTE Bob Weiner + +00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:19.879 +I wrote hyperbole, and Matt's my co-maintainer on it, + +00:14:19.880 --> 00:14:23.159 +so really exciting to have the first talk here. + +00:14:23.160 --> 00:14:26.879 +I think I just wanted to mention two things. + +00:14:26.880 --> 00:14:28.879 +Maybe you could show a little key series, + +00:14:28.880 --> 00:14:33.879 +just type one out dynamically and show how simple that is, + +00:14:33.880 --> 00:14:39.639 +and then talk about the UKIPA daily journal, + +00:14:39.640 --> 00:14:45.479 +right? Time-stamped journal that was originally org mode, + +00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:49.479 +and I think you're now using Hyperbole's K-outliner, + +00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:56.319 +so maybe mention doing that. Okay. + +00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:59.959 +Something that's more than one key sequence, please. + +00:14:59.960 --> 00:15:09.199 +Do a couple operations that you do a lot of or that are interesting, + +00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:10.839 +all in one. + +00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:15.719 +So the key series is like a keyboard macro, + +00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.879 +so it's not limited to one key sequence, + +00:15:20.880 --> 00:15:27.199 +but any series of key sequences can be strung together + +00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:28.879 +just like that with nothing else, + +00:15:28.880 --> 00:15:35.399 +and then you activate it the same way as any other button, right? + +00:15:35.400 --> 00:15:38.079 +Yes, but you're putting me on the spot here, + +00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:41.199 +because now I have to remember, actually, how to write these things. + +00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.079 +You just write it the way you would type it. + +00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.479 +Yeah, I see it. + +00:15:49.480 --> 00:16:00.079 +Okay, so let's see. So the key series is between these braces and... + +00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:05.159 +And you could leave out the quote marks if you don't... + +00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:07.639 +Maybe I can skip that as well. + +00:16:07.640 --> 00:16:09.559 +So here's the key series. + +00:16:09.560 --> 00:16:10.919 +Let's see what's happening. + +00:16:10.920 --> 00:16:12.999 +Do I go to the 10th folder or not? + +00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.119 +Boom, I got there. Yeah, it worked. + +00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:23.159 +Bob, great. So you can name them and then reuse them, + +00:16:23.160 --> 00:16:29.119 +and so it's sort of like you've got this toolkit that you can embed + +00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.919 +in all these different modes that you have in Emacs, + +00:16:31.920 --> 00:16:34.639 +and you just carry it with you. + +00:16:34.640 --> 00:16:38.759 +It's not like a whole mode unto itself that you always have to use. + +00:16:38.760 --> 00:16:46.599 +Yeah, so in this example here with the field, you can, + +00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:52.119 +instead of having like this path string here, + +00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:54.359 +you can have a key series as well. + +00:16:54.360 --> 00:17:01.399 +But to the other point, also, Elisp is available, + +00:17:01.400 --> 00:17:02.959 +but this is even more available + +00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.959 +because you don't even have to code using Elisp. + +00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.079 +So that's the point also with this, the fill and the file macros. + +00:17:09.080 --> 00:17:11.879 +You should make it even simpler. + +00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.519 +And if you just know how to type some command, + +00:17:15.520 --> 00:17:18.679 +you can use the key series together with this + +00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.359 +to get some functionality out of this. + +00:17:21.360 --> 00:17:26.399 +I think one of the things we've taken to saying about Hyperbole + +00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:31.239 +is it's kind of the lightest hypertext markup + +00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:35.159 +that you can have, as you saw there, right? + +00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.519 +I mean, there were just braces, and all of a sudden, + +00:17:37.520 --> 00:17:40.999 +it's a live hyper button. So we've tried to strip away + +00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.879 +having to write stuff like HTML or even all the drawers + +00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.519 +and stuff like that, and we've tried to make it so that you know, + +00:17:47.520 --> 00:17:51.439 +even all the like drawers and the property markup in org mode, + +00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:57.679 +and just provide very, very simple sort of syntactical things similar + +00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:01.679 +to what Elisp does, so that you can get a lot of power + +00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:07.999 +and put buttons everywhere, but not have to recognize a lot of syntax + +00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.639 +or use a whole bunch of keys on your buttons. + +00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:16.039 +It's pretty interesting, + +00:18:16.040 --> 00:18:16.679 +by the way. + +00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:17.959 +I'm sorry I have to do this, + +00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.519 +but we only have about five more minutes in the Q&A before we need + +00:18:20.520 --> 00:18:24.039 +to move on to the next talk. But don't worry, you've had a little test + +00:18:24.040 --> 00:18:27.079 +of Hyperbole right there, and you'll have more over the weekend. + +00:18:27.080 --> 00:18:30.319 +We've had a lot of Hyperbole talk this year, which is amazing. + +00:18:30.320 --> 00:18:33.559 +You know, we usually have a lot of talk about org, but this year + +00:18:33.560 --> 00:18:37.479 +is truly the one where we also have a similar amount of Hyperbole talk, + +00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:42.399 +which is amazing to see. Obviously, I am more of an org guy, + +00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.679 +but I see so many parallels between the two, so many bridges + +00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:50.319 +that could be built as well, and it's amazing to see the amount of passion + +00:18:50.320 --> 00:18:53.439 +that goes into this. Usually I deal with people who are passionate about org, + +00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.719 +but to see that there's a similar amount of passion on the Hyperbole side + +00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:58.279 +of things is truly amazing to me. + +00:18:58.280 --> 00:19:04.799 +I think we had one more question in the pad, if you can take it, Matt. + +NOTE Do the links/buttons created in hyperbole (like that one with the url) get exported on org-mode files too? (like when exported to html) + +00:19:04.800 --> 00:19:10.639 +Yeah, the last here is, does the links buttons create in Hyperbole, + +00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:16.159 +like the one with the URL get exported on org mode files too, + +00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:18.999 +like when exported to HTML? + +00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.039 +Oh, tricky question. + +00:19:21.040 --> 00:19:31.519 +I mean, these implicit buttons, they are just like the patterns. + +00:19:31.520 --> 00:19:35.319 +So the pattern will of course be exported to HTML, + +00:19:35.320 --> 00:19:37.439 +but you will not be able maybe + +00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:43.519 +to do something there unless you're watching the HTML within Emacs, + +00:19:43.520 --> 00:19:50.199 +so the sort of Hyperbole machinery would be available, if that makes sense. + +00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:58.359 +I mean, yeah, it's possible. It depends what the encoding is, + +00:19:58.360 --> 00:20:03.999 +what the encoding is, but we do have an outliner mode, the K outliner + +00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:10.439 +in Hyperbole as well, and that has a single command export to HTML. + +00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:13.879 +So if you've embedded URLs in there, + +00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:19.519 +you would see them just like if you embedded them in org mode, + +00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:25.559 +and potentially the org exporter, if you just write a raw URL, + +00:20:25.560 --> 00:20:30.119 +will also encode it for you when you export it. + +00:20:30.120 --> 00:20:35.039 +There's other Hyperbole buttons in there. Yeah, but the functionality that + +00:20:35.040 --> 00:20:38.159 +is by clicking on that button will not be exported. + +00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:44.079 +Well, it's like you can try printing the button, I'm not sure. No amount + +00:20:44.080 --> 00:20:46.479 +of clicking on it is actually going to trigger an action. + +00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:51.639 +I might be wrong though. Sorry, I mean printing on paper, + +00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:55.799 +it's a very confusing terminology that we're using right there, not printing + +00:20:55.800 --> 00:20:56.759 +in a terminal. + +00:20:56.760 --> 00:21:02.359 +One cool thing if you use the Hyperbole export to HTML is + +00:21:02.360 --> 00:21:07.519 +that you can expand and collapse your trees in the HTML. + +00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:10.439 +I don't think you can do that with the org export right now. + +00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:15.999 +But Bob, you're going to show something about that tomorrow, right? + +00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:21.319 +I don't think it's in this presentation because I'm- Oh, it's not + +00:21:21.320 --> 00:21:25.079 +in the presentation, okay. On the org side of the house this time, + +00:21:25.080 --> 00:21:32.879 +but it'll be in a different one about Hyperbole some other time. All right, + +00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:36.199 +so we have about two minutes until we need to go to the next talk, + +00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:38.479 +but thank you so much, Matz, and thank you so much, Bob, + +00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.839 +also for showing up and giving us a taste of what is probably going + +00:21:41.840 --> 00:21:44.759 +to follow up tomorrow. I can't remember, I think your talk is + +00:21:44.760 --> 00:21:51.599 +in the afternoon, right, Bob? Correct, about 1 p.m. EST. Yeah, so + +00:21:51.600 --> 00:21:56.959 +in about 22 hours, 23 hours. I'm trying my best to give you times + +00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.119 +which are time zone independence, + +00:21:59.120 --> 00:22:01.839 +so I'm sorry if I'm missing the mark a little bit, + +00:22:01.840 --> 00:22:04.679 +but hopefully this would be useful for many people. But otherwise, + +00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:07.719 +just check the schedule and you'll be able to get everything. All right, well, + +00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:09.999 +thank you so much, Matz, for answering so many questions + +00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.839 +and for your presentation as well. I feel like it was good + +00:22:12.840 --> 00:22:16.599 +to have your presentation before Bob's one tomorrow, + +00:22:16.600 --> 00:22:22.039 +because focusing on the one aspect of Hyperbole, the buttons, and linking it + +00:22:22.040 --> 00:22:26.119 +to Elisp, linking it to interactivity, linking it to UI, I think is going + +00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:29.239 +to prime people to then understand fully what Hyperbole, + +00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:34.319 +or what are the capabilities of Hyperbole, beyond this, or inspired by this. + +00:22:34.320 --> 00:22:37.199 +So thank you so much. Thanks, Matz. Thank you. + +00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:38.599 +Great. + +00:22:38.600 --> 00:22:42.519 +All right, and we are going live with the next talk in about 30 seconds. + +00:22:42.520 --> 00:22:45.519 +I think we're going to close the BBB room, + +00:22:45.520 --> 00:22:49.759 +because nobody has showed up otherwise. So I will see you both later. + +00:22:49.760 --> 00:22:50.599 +Bye-bye. + +00:22:50.600 --> 00:22:54.000 +Bye-bye. |