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diff --git a/2021/meetings.md b/2021/meetings.md index e9aa50fc..8c62e9d0 100644 --- a/2021/meetings.md +++ b/2021/meetings.md @@ -1,17 +1,427 @@ [[!meta title="Meeting notes"]] -[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2020 Amin Bandali, Sacha Chua, David O'Toole, Corwin Brust, Leo Vivier, Daniel Gopar"]] +[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2021 Amin Bandali, Sacha Chua, David O'Toole, Corwin Brust, Leo Vivier, Daniel Gopar"]] <!-- Automatically generated from meetings.org --> # Ongoing projects +- Tech + - Figuring out a better streaming workflow (speakers & OBS) + - Review whether we need FH’s BBB instance: mplsCorwin & bandali + - CDN with Nate Saltes: mplsCorwin, bandali + - Subtitles/transcripts: sachac, bhavin192 -- FOSSHost: mplsCorwin - Calendar, connecting with meetups: sachac - Streaming infrastructure for meetups?: bandali, sachac + - set of methods for clipping, publishing, etc. + - Amin and Gopar's podcast: bandali, gopar -- mplsCorwin's livestreaming project, working on trimming - Writing about Emacs: zaeph +- mplsCorwin's livestreaming project, working on trimming +- Diversity outreach: gopar, sachac, zaeph +- Finding a parallel monthly day for EmacsConf prep meetings + - Write-up for streaming with FLOSS +- Mediation project between MELPA and org-mode’s core: zaeph + + +# March 5, 2021 meeting + +- Agenda + - BBB + - Follow-up from Emacs-SF session on <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp"><2021-03-05 Fri></span></span> + - Do we need to give moderators rights to orgas? + - Podcast + - Update on intro song + - Ping shoshin, and define a loose schedule + - bandali will go listen to things + - Creating a list of people to invite to the show + - Qiantan (crdt) + - Protesilaos Stavrou + - John Wiegley + - Bastien Guerry + - Adam Porter (alphapapa) - package maintainers group? + - Jonas Bernoulli (tarsius) + - FSF people? Zoe? Greg? rwp? + - Drew Adams (@oracle.com, probably) + + - gopar sent things to re-record + - Usergroups + - zaeph: Report on M-x Research + - Paths of collaboration between M-x Research and ERG + - zaeph: Report on Emacs-SF + - FOSSHost BBB worked out well for them + - discussed federation of communities + - ag + - people are interested in publishing stuff + - make it easier to get clips out? + - highlight clips webm + - handle text/timing information (ex: oops at 7:05, or clip from 2:00 to 10:00) + - zaeph: TODO: Work with orgas for Emacs-SF + - They're the next public meetup and are hyped about the idea, so zaeph will coordinate re: being okay with making the presentation public and clipping it out to publish for them + - Keep track of start/end time and any oops times + - zaeph: Report on Emacs Paris + - zaeph’s crowdfunding + - packages and core +- Updates: + - bandali: talk accepted for LibrePlanet 2021, congrats! Jami and how it empowers users. + - Please ask them how they're streaming captions so that we can borrow the ideas for EmacsConf (they were looking for volunteers at <https://groups.google.com/g/ploversteno/c/TWEx31PasrE>). Also, if they edit subtitles, subed.el might be useful for them. + - sachac: more Emacs tweaking + - figure out workflow for splitting things out of meetup recordings + - mplsCorwin: still kind of out of it, get well soon! + - New domain: literatecloud. FOSSHost building new partnerships. 00:06:03-00:09:15 more secret part. Try to nudge towards LibreJS? +- Next steps: + - Sacha will work on Emacs calendar publishing workflow + - New CNAME - maybe bbb.emacsverse.org (meet.emacsverse.org?) + - ‘Let’s just do it and figure out what we have to do with FH/BBB to get it working.’ + - Investigate enabling LibreJS for FH’s BBB + - zaeph: Grep ‘TODO’ + + +# February 27, 2021 meeting + +- Agenda + - Check-in + + - Follow-ups from last week + - Podcast update + - bandali said he might have a version of the podcast that we could review + - bandali is almost done with editing the first episode + - Some re-recording might be warranted for the start and the end + - He’s aiming for a preview version by <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-28 Sun]</span></span> + - The editing workflow has been figured out, and gopar might be able to handle the editing for episode 2 + - Release plan + - Order + - 1: EmacsConf + - 2: Maxima with Fermin + - 3: ERC + - Tentative agenda + - <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-28 Sun] </span></span> 1st episode for us to review (no pressure!) + - Tentative schedule + - Tue or Wed if we’re not worried about the intro music + - We do not have an intro song yet + - In January, bandali talked with shoshin in the #emsig channel for commissioning an intro, but shoshin didn’t have much time to work on this because of work + - TODO Maybe we could try pinging him again? + - Could we put out a call for people to submit their intro? + - Reddit + - No news segment for the two first one + - We still don’t have an intro song + - TODO Find an intro song + + - Future topics + - bandali & gopar: They could invite zaeph to talk about the crowdfunding or any related projects + - So far, no proper agenda for the guests, but something that we might figure out in the coming weeks + - TODO Try to come up with a list of people to get on the show + - EmacsConf’s FLOSS streaming facility + + - bandali updates + - In March, bandali might have more time on his hands, and he might have time to prepare his presentation for LibrePlanet + - (date of the talk: <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-03-20 Sat]</span></span>, deadline for submitting the slides: <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-03-08 Mon]</span></span>) + + - Nice progress on Jami, and Amin might be done within 2 weeks + + - bandali is planning to have some time to invest into writing the guide on streaming with FLOSS + - Some progress has been made, but it’s been mostly ad-hoc with the people who asked + - Tentative date for a rough draft: <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-03-27 Sat]</span></span> + - Tentative date for a release: mid-April (but again, no pressure! ಠ\_ಠ) + + - Negative feedback on the quality of one of the recordings + - [EmacsConf 2020 - 12 - One Big-ass Org File or multiple tiny ones? - Leo Vivier - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1qwAjleGk) + - The stream resolution is 720p with an external monitor to avoid rescaling the video + - One of the bottlenecks with the previous EmacsConf was the rescaling + - Setup: Laptop 720p + Streaming to 1080p + - This year, it looked nicer + - bandali does not think he’s got enough computing power to handle 1080p + - 2 days of 1080p streaming might be too much for bandali’s unit (understandably) + - Questions + - Do we agree that the quality was sub-par, for this talk or for others as well? + - bandali: Probably ‘yes’, and we knew it going into it; this is one of the reasons why we encouraged pre-recordings + - The pre-recordings had good quality (streamed at 720p, but published at the native resolution, which was up to 2k) + - It was very readable, and there wasn’t a time when bandali couldn’t read what was on the screen + - The shared video with BBB sometimes was subpar + - The problem + - Ways to solve the problem + - Composing the window maximally with OBS + - mplsCorwin: Using OBS and asking the speakers to stream to a URL that we’d provide to them; it’s EZPZ. + - Corwin has had real success with OBS, so that all his kids can have OBS running, and Corwin can bounce them via nginx + - TODO Let’s figure out an OBS-based workflow for webcam/screen feeds + - Having multiple tracks for speakers + - Offline talks + - Pre-recs + - Live talks + - Easy + - BBB + - Intermediate + - OBS & streaming to address + + - FH’s BBB sitrep + - zaeph: No news from EmacsSF, so I’ll assume it’s next week; which also means that we’ve got no data + - At least + + - CDN for the videos + - We got an offer for EU-based hosting (France & Germany) + - yang@freenode + - This would help us address the slow DL for EU viewers + - bandali is investigating FLOSS CDN options + - mplsCorwin: Definitely an offer we should take them up on + - Can we deploy a FLOSS CDN to handle those different servers? + - FH has a partnership with PacketFrame + - FLOSS CDN app, developed by Nate Sales; Corwin did some work with them on an org-inspired, lambda-based workflow; PoC underway + - CDN for video content is a bit of a weird usecase + - Optimisation is definitely done within routing-layer: ‘IP address, and network addresses which are specifically create subnets for delivery; beyond that, it’s just the usual caching thing’ + - Could we get Nate Sales on board to help us with this topic? + - Let’s try to do it on the <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-03-13 Sat]</span></span>, or any time during the following week + - mplsCorwin is sending them a note and will keep us in touch + + - zaeph: EmacsBerlin update + - They might be interested in a BBB instance + - Michael Albinus (maint of TRAMP) is interested in working with me on advanced optimisation (for org-roam and org-mode) + + - Mailing list + - bandali will ping bhavin192 for which email they want + - He didn’t have the time to do it yet; the TZ aren’t nice. + - Any other news? + + - ERG update + - Today, weare meeting with Mark Dawson from `M-x Research` + + - zaeph’s crowfunding + - sitrep + - Discussion + - On funding for the dev of Emacs’s core + - RMS might have made a comment that financing Emacs should be done with FLOSS tools (e.g. non-free JS) + - [Liberapay](https://en.liberapay.com/) might be a solution + - mplsCorwin: ‘The fact that we have multiple string-manipulation librairies is a sign of sickness in the community’ + - Related to Perl and CPAN + + - FSF sponsorship + - zaeph: No update + + +# February 20, 2021 meeting + +- Discuss distribution of meetings / podcasts + - For grabbing BBB’s recordings + - With Firefox + - [Video DownloadHelper – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/) + - Download the two feeds (one for presentation, and one for all the webcams) +- Updates + - gopar: been busy + - bandali: busy at work too + - sachac: experimenting with captions (can do mic+browser audio now), gstreamer->OBS +- Podcast with bandali and gopar + - Last week, they’ve interviewed Fermin on his experience with Maxima + - Name + - EmacsNow (how did we not think of this before?) + - bandali got the idea BSDNow + - Maybe prepending the name with `M-x`? + - bandali wanted something very short and + - He also wanted to use a theme for the podcast’s website which would be based on Emacs + - As a stretch-goal, we could merge a \`emacs-now\` command into core to open the podcast + - If elfeed (or any other RSS, maybe GNUS?) could be merged into Emacs, the command could bring you to the feed for the podcast + - Everyone seems to agree that EmacsNow is a good, short name, and that we should go with it + - Format? + - This one was a lengthy podcast: more than 1h30, but it was very interesting + - gopar and Fermin bonded over chess, which was fun! + - bandali and gopar would be interested in extending the podcast to other topics beyond Emacs + - Would that be a good idea? + +- M-x Research + - ERG is not the only group working on research within Emacs: there is also \`M-x Research\` + +- ERG’s last meeting: Intervieww with Peeragogy + - It went well, and I’m too tired to re-write what I’ve said during the meeting (sorry!) + +- Need volunteers to publish to certain popular platforms (i.e. itunes) + - bandali and gopar have some experience with it, and mplsCorwin was willing to help as well + +- Leo: FSF sponsorship + - Table it for now; Leo hasn’t had time to work on it this week. + +- Leo: Kickstarter for org-mode core mediation + - Mentioned the project of mediating the org-mode MELPA ecosystem and the core of Emacs + - bandali thinks it’s interesting to think about the whole packagers within Emacs (including MELPA) + - Before, it used to be just ELPA; but then, MELPA came along, but because of its raison d’être, it was never implemented into the core of Emacs + - Non-GNU ELPA doesn’t require CLA; the mediation project might be a nice way to bridge the gap between those communities + - Might help with discoverability + - Surveying the field (and the people) to see which package would + - Ecosystem of org-mode packages + - Questions from bandali + - How would this project work within the new doctrine for org-mode (i.e. fragmentation of maintenance in a federated way)? + - Folding org-mode development back into the Emacs repository? + - ‘Emacs’s core is where packages go to die’ (Leo; please don’t quote him on this in unauthorised spaces) + - Could we get bzg involved in the discussion? + - Not right now; Leo needs to finish his contract before he starts diverting himself towards greener fields. + - Financial aspect + - Leo thinks it’d be **very** complicated to reach th number that Jonas (tarsius) reached with magit; however, it would be possible to get a project going with only a fraction of that + +> 17k EUR for 6 month of work +> 2100 EUR/monthly (compared to the 1500 EUR / 1800 USD I was making as a professor) +> 25% goes to social security in France, up to 10% goes to taxes +> I’m aiming to release this on March 15 or on April 1st (depending on how many people I need to reach out to) +> There would be also a stretch-goal of doing this for a eyar if I get 34k + +- EmacsSF & BBB + - Could we test-run FH’s BBB instance rather than the FSF’s? + - In theory, it’s doable, and it’s why it was given to us for + - We’re going to test-drive it, and we’ll report how it went (zaeph & maybe sachac?) + +- Next time + - bandali might have a version of the podcast that we could review + - One of the episodes + - 1: EmacsConf: how it went generally (not the actual title) + - 2: ERG + - 3: Maxima with Fermin + - The order is still unclear, but the three episodes are recorded + - bandali is planning to have some time to ivnest into writing the guide on streaming with FLOSS (but **no pressure**!! ಠ\_ಠ) + - Tentative agenda + - zaeph: Kickstarter for MELPA/core org-mode + - Especially to get sachac’s opinion + - Podcast update + - FH review based on EmacsSF + - Mailing list + - bandali will ping bhavin192 for which email they want + + +# February 13, 2021 meeting + +- Homework from previous meeting: + - For everyone: + - Think about ways to organize and flesh out the [Emacs Diversity](https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDiversity) page. + - How do we give it better structure? + - Leo: Work on the FSF thing (for <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-15 Mon]</span></span>) + - Sacha: Figure out toggling mute from Emacs and add it to my modeline, since my computer LED doesn't work =) + - Sacha: Edit more subtitles + - Future points + - bandali & mplsCorwin: Gauge whether we can/need to use FH’s BBB. + - …For our own meetings/workshops? + - …For the next EmacsConf? + - Maybe we should figure out a streaming server that can accept RTMP, so meetups on Jitsi can stream +- mplsCorwin showed OBS multicast plugin +- bandali is looking into RTMP ingest +- Updates: + - bandali: busy at work + - mplsCorwin: work + - sachac: more subed tweaks (can now cut video based on subtitles, hide non-text stuff with overlays =) ); EmacsSF meetup, ERC automation with run-at-time, Twitter is being annoying about adding incorrect cards) + - zaeph: meetup guests, package maintenance, fundraising +- Interest in live captions, Sacha is looking into it + - Hmm, maybe hooked into crdt so that people can volunteer, and then the moderator can send the caption out to the streaming service + - Need to figure out how to get the subtitles out (OBS can send captions to Twitch, I think, so it's probably possible to do something similar… Icecast?) + +- Sacha’s tweets for meetups + - Making the format nicer? It’s difficult to know which timezones to include in the tweets: which ones should we keep? + - Suggestions welcome! + - Adapting based on the language of the event (Paris → GMT+2, maybe neighbouring countries, etc.) +- BBB: FSF vs. FH? + - Let’s postpone the decision for now; that’ll give us time to check with people (i.e. in the workshops) if they want to make use of it. + - Use FH hosted infrastructure for "federation" (e.g. offering to other groups) + - Use FSF for email, use FSF for EmacsConf BBB +- ERG: Report on meeting with Qiantan (crdt.el’s maint) + - Lots of good news, and Qiantan + - bandali: ‘Once most of the important issues have been taken care of, he should probably contact Emacs dev’ +- EmacsSF report + - They’re interested in our effort to federate the different workshops. + - They’re having another session in 3 weeks (<span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-26 Fri]</span></span>) + - Main topic: Follow-up on the completion systems + - They’re interested in getting access to a BBB instance + - We’ll use the opportunity to stress-test FH’s instance + - We’ll also have a Jitsi room ready as a backup +- ERG: Meeting people from Peeragogy today + - Bridging the gap between curious academics who are working on collaborative e-Research. +- Amin’s follow-up on Mailman + - Almost ready to go for emacsconf/emacsverse mailman lists + - TODOs: + - Non-list emails + - Listhelper for anti-spam + - Corwin’s idea: Vanity email addresses @emacsverse.org? + +Next actions: + +- Discuss distribution of meetings / podcasts +- Need volunteers to publish to certain popular platforms (i.e. itunes) +- Leo: FSF sponsorship + + +# February 6, 2021 meeting + +- Checking in with everyone + - bandali: Crunch at work with the latest release of Debian, Icecat release + - zaeph: possible actual department for free software at his current work + - mplsCorwin: vacation, extra week, yay PTO! Looking more into literate programming. (Grant Rettke recently shared how he uses untangling to make it easier for people to edit the resulting source code files) + - sachac: + - Emacs calendar can now handle recurring events + - Now done with a Python script instead of an old Ruby script + - Some people are starting to use it! + - Especially for the meetups. + - Started figuring out Twitch streaming + - updated obs-websocket at <https://github.com/sachac/obs-websocket-el>, can easily switch scenes, start/stop recording, put a message up in a buffer, capture timestamped notes/markers into a WebVTT file + - Sacha is curious about gstreamer; maybe if Amin got around to writing his gstreamer script, Sacha could get around to using it for Twitch? + - Sacha is also working on a system for using Twitch’s API to send subtitles/descriptions + - used mozart-dice-game NPM to generate a whole bunch of piano minuet MIDIs, yay generated music; used selectric-mode to add typing sounds + - looked into OBS SendCaptions, but might not be able to easily get it to work under Linux; might consider other ways to send live captions and markers + - Started sketching out EmacsDiversity page + - Next up: test my hydra for editing subtitles, +- Points + - Diversity + - Iterating over [EmacsWiki : Emacs Diversity](https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDiversity) (you might be thinking about EmacsChannelDemographics) + - Podcast update? + - shoshin update on the intro music? + - Answer this question: ‘What kinds of talks do we generally want?’ + - Working off our configs; explaining parts of our config (mplsCorwin) + - Inspiration, integrated workflow demos + - Really cool programming demo + - Really cool nonprogramming demo + - The goal would be to get people to read other people’s code; something vaguely archeological: ‘if I could do this, even though it wasn’t great code, it did the job!’ + - A lot of people respond to those ‘programming but not’ / surface-programming approaches to code. + - ERG reports on what we’re working on (zaeph) + - Meta-workshops on how they’re organised/run, what goes into it (zaeph) + - Writing modes / releasing modes + - How do we go from some intricate code inside a personal config to a package releasable to the public? + - Hacking on Emacs C core (bandali) + - Some of the more involved modification of Emacs will need to be done in the C core. + - Maybe we could consider inviting Stéfan Monnier? + - Native compilation, maybe dynamic modules? + + - Amin: Check how much time it would take to deploy Mailman for the workshops. + - Are we trading low up-front effort (asking maintainers to create a mailing list) for high ongoing effort (keeping our own mailing list system going)? + - Amin talked to someone else who can help set this up, maybe even this weekend. Main domain? Maybe emacsverse? + - Stack: Trisql, Exim, Mailman + - Could it work with FOSSHost? + - Since it’s geared to the end-users, and based on our relationship with them (via mplsCorwin), we might be able to ask them to host the server. + - FOSSHost did set up a BBB for us; we should gauge whether we want/need to use it. + - Hmm… mplsCorwin, would FOSSHost like to talk to the other Emacs meetups to see if they want to join up? I think it was EmacsNYC or EmacsATX that has been experimenting with self-hosting Jitsi, and EmacsBerlin self-hosts Jitsi. Could be later on. + - Domain discussion + - emacsverse + - Mailing lists and co. would go on their + - All in all: + - We’re very close to having Mailman ready for the meetups/workshops. + - FH & BBB: What **scope** do we want? + - ‘Do we want Emacs NYC to get their own server, or do we want to manage a single, federated instance with user-account, self-management, etc.?’ + - We’d be in charge of most of the management of that instance, and we wouldn’t be piggy-backing on the FSF’s instance. + - We'll figure out our own stuff first, maybe, and then we can get the other folks in + - Improving the diversity page: [EmacsWiki : Emacs Diversity](https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDiversity) + - Right now, the page only contains an alphabetised list of names + +rganising the names on that page in a more relevant fashion? + +- Two sides of the question: + - "I feel a little isolated. I don't know other Emacs users, and it seems you have to be a real computer geek in order to use Emacs. Are there people like me?" + - ‘What are some different ways you can use Emacs, and what kinds of people use Emacs? + - People might be unwilling to identify as marginalised groups: how do we resolve this? +- Diversity of usage: What is Emacs being used for? +- Diversity of people: By whom is Emacs being used? + +- Homework: + - For everyone: + - Think about ways to organize and flesh out the [Emacs Diversity](https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsDiversity) page. + - How do we give it better structure? + - Leo: Work on the FSF thing (for <span class="timestamp-wrapper"><span class="timestamp">[2021-02-15 Mon]</span></span>) + - Sacha: Figure out toggling mute from Emacs and add it to my modeline, since my computer LED doesn't work =) + - Sacha: Edit more subtitles + - Future points + - bandali & mplsCorwin: Gauge whether we can/need to use FH’s BBB. + - …For our own meetings/workshops? + - …For the next EmacsConf? + - Maybe we should figure out a streaming server that can accept RTMP, so meetups on Jitsi can stream # January 28, 2021 meeting @@ -138,12 +548,13 @@ - Homework - Answer this question: ‘What kinds of talks do we generally want?’ - Amin: Check how much time it would take to deploy Mailman for the workshops. - - Leo: Update bhavin on the mailing stuff to let him that we are currently looking into options - - Leo: Sending a get-well-soon to David + - [X] Leo: Update bhavin on the mailing stuff to let him know that we are currently looking into options. + - [X] Leo: Sending a get-well-soon to David. - How strongly do we want to ask for pre-recs? - Definitely at least as much as this year. - It’s also much easier for Amin to chill when we have pre-recs. + - We need to incentives speakers by telling sending their pre-recs early, we can do some adjustments. # January 21, 2021 meeting |