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diff --git a/2021/talks/forever.md b/2021/talks/forever.md index 12a49755..1f36160b 100644 --- a/2021/talks/forever.md +++ b/2021/talks/forever.md @@ -18,7 +18,24 @@ this talk, we'll take a look at why popular editors fade and the specific aspects of Emacs that will ensure it remains relevant regardless of mainstream popularity. - +# Discussion + +- My anecdotal evidence, is introducing my coworkers to org mode, and the intracacies of doing more and more in Emacs. It becomes an overwhelming advantage. +- lots of really popular editors are primarily maintained by companies and dies when the backing companies stop maintaining it +- Popularity also adds to people breaking features that long time users like me use everyday but they don't see as popular and so they feel the need to break for something different. +- I think a lot of popularity could be gotten from introducing more people in academic fields to Emacs. Org-Mode is such a game changer on that front. +- Now, Emacs is based on another mind-blowing idea. The idea of practical notation for lambda calculus, what is known as Lisp. Lisp, probably can be crowned as the most important idea in computer science. It just hard to think of something more influential than Lisp. Emacs is just a practical implementation (and frankly, not the best one) of that idea. +- Yes. Emacs is an editor for creating domain specific editors. +- my only problem with the Emacs community is that the community in other language is non-existen +- Would there be any way to have other Lisps like Guile be compatible with Emacs? + - Guile has an Elisp interpreter in its compiler tower, however it's afaik not up to snuff for actually running Emacs. + - the problem is the "big datatypes" like buffers and strings, which guile either doesn't do at all or which need expensive bidirectional transcoding across the boundary + - some like this? https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/docs/docs-1.8/guile-ref/Using-Guile-in-Emacs.html +- I think seeing power users do the things they do with Emacs and Org-mode and how prolific they are is a major selling point (thinking of *so* many people, but say John Kitchin comes to mind) + - To piggy back on a previous comment, I think if people kept seeing the top people in their fields (be in science/academic, software engineering, devops, etc.) use Emacs and Org-mode and especially their uniquely powerful features (literate style with org-babel, etc), Emacs would start taking over beyond it's historically low single digit % adoption + - luckily for me, John Kitchin shows a lot of engineering applications of emacs and org-mode and I love those videos, but I can understand that a lot of people won't find someone like that for their profession + - The concurrent pushes for reproducible science, literate programming, literate devops, and so on, also contribute to making the case for Emacs & Org-mode +- the performance point is spot on. That is one of the main reason why the neovim community is thriving # Outline |