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So you've + +00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:06.879 +just had a + +00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:08.880 +little roundup of the news, and we're + +00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:10.320 +going to get started now with some + +00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:11.120 +presentations. + +00:00:11.120 --> 00:00:13.840 +We're starting with user + +00:00:13.840 --> 00:00:15.920 +developer stories. + +00:00:15.920 --> 00:00:18.000 +I was extremely interested in this + +00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:19.199 +section because I + +00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.600 +wanted to get a chance, basically, to tell + +00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.160 +you a little more about who I am and + +00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:27.039 +how I got from basically being a user of + +00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:28.160 +Emacs + +00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:30.640 +to being nowadays a package + +00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:31.279 +maintainer, + +00:00:31.279 --> 00:00:33.280 +and maybe more in the future. I don't + +00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:34.559 +know. So, + +00:00:34.559 --> 00:00:36.160 +just for the organizers, I'm planning to + +00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:37.760 +speak for 15 minutes, and I'll have five + +00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:39.680 +more minutes of questions at the end. + +00:00:39.680 --> 00:00:41.360 +As I told you before, if you want to have + +00:00:41.360 --> 00:00:43.440 +questions, you know you can use the pad, + +00:00:43.440 --> 00:00:44.879 +and I'll be reading the questions from + +00:00:44.879 --> 00:00:47.360 +there. Okay. So + +00:00:47.360 --> 00:00:49.600 +hi there, as Amin introduced me before, + +00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.280 +my name is Leo Vivier. + +00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.800 +I'm a freelance software engineer + +00:00:54.800 --> 00:00:58.079 +in France, and I have been using Emacs + +00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:59.359 +now for + +00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:01.280 +i believe close to eight years. I can't + +00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.039 +believe it's been so long. + +00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:07.680 +But yes, it's been a journey because, + +00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:12.000 +in a way, nothing + +00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.119 +made me go for Emacs. You know I'm an-- + +00:01:15.119 --> 00:01:17.280 +sorry, I was about to say Emacs major, but + +00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:19.200 +no, I'm an English major. I went to + +00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.280 +university to study English literature + +00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:24.320 +and linguistics, and + +00:01:24.320 --> 00:01:26.159 +I just got started in emacs + +00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:28.240 +because I was looking for ways to take + +00:01:28.240 --> 00:01:31.340 +better notes. I was looking for ways to + +00:01:31.340 --> 00:01:32.640 +[Applause] + +00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.640 +structure the way I was learning, + +00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:36.720 +structure the way I was + +00:01:36.720 --> 00:01:40.079 +taking notes. I stumbled one day + +00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.320 +upon this weird piece of software which + +00:01:42.320 --> 00:01:43.759 +was called Emacs, + +00:01:43.759 --> 00:01:46.479 +and I've been trapped forever since, + +00:01:46.479 --> 00:01:47.920 +basically, because + +00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:49.280 +eight years ago, when I discovered + +00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:51.119 +Emacs I just couldn't let go. There was + +00:01:51.119 --> 00:01:52.720 +just something very + +00:01:52.720 --> 00:01:55.439 +interesting about the way you configured + +00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:56.320 +your setup, + +00:01:56.320 --> 00:01:58.799 +and I just wanted to dive deeper and + +00:01:58.799 --> 00:01:59.759 +deeper. + +00:01:59.759 --> 00:02:04.320 +So the title is of this talk exactly is + +00:02:04.320 --> 00:02:06.640 +how I went from user to package + +00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.000 +maintainer, and + +00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:09.840 +the package now that I'm maintaining is + +00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:11.599 +called org-roam. I'm not the only one + +00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:12.080 +doing this. + +00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.440 +I'm helped with many lovely people + +00:02:15.440 --> 00:02:18.720 +working on org-roam. + +00:02:18.720 --> 00:02:21.360 +I got started as a maintainer + +00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.360 +only this year, so that means that for + +00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:24.720 +the eight years I've been + +00:02:24.720 --> 00:02:27.360 +an Emacs user, seven of those years were + +00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:29.200 +spent merely being a user + +00:02:29.200 --> 00:02:31.040 +trying to be a sponge for knowledge, + +00:02:31.040 --> 00:02:33.920 +trying to learn as much as I could. + +00:02:33.920 --> 00:02:36.800 +I believe it would be + +00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.040 +interesting for me to share my story + +00:02:39.040 --> 00:02:40.959 +because I believe that I'm far from + +00:02:40.959 --> 00:02:42.160 +being the only user + +00:02:42.160 --> 00:02:43.599 +who can make the jump to being a + +00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:45.519 +maintainer. A lot of you have + +00:02:45.519 --> 00:02:46.879 +a lot of knowledge when it comes to + +00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:48.959 +Emacs. Some of you + +00:02:48.959 --> 00:02:51.040 +are at different steps in your journey. + +00:02:51.040 --> 00:02:52.720 +Some of you, for instance, are just + +00:02:52.720 --> 00:02:55.680 +starting to copy stuff out of + +00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:57.040 +StackExchange + +00:02:57.040 --> 00:02:59.519 +into your Emacs configuration. let's + +00:02:59.519 --> 00:03:00.720 +say you want to do something very + +00:03:00.720 --> 00:03:01.599 +particular + +00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.480 +and you haven't found a way to do so. + +00:03:04.480 --> 00:03:05.920 +You go on StackExchange. You find + +00:03:05.920 --> 00:03:06.640 +something + +00:03:06.640 --> 00:03:09.040 +that's interesting. You add it to your + +00:03:09.040 --> 00:03:10.239 +Emacs configuration. You + +00:03:10.239 --> 00:03:11.680 +barely understand anything that's going + +00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:13.519 +on. You know that it's supposed to be + +00:03:13.519 --> 00:03:14.800 +Emacs Lisp. + +00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.200 +"I hardly know Emacs and I + +00:03:17.200 --> 00:03:19.440 +know even less what is Lisp supposed to be." + +00:03:19.440 --> 00:03:21.440 +But you paste it in and it does what you + +00:03:21.440 --> 00:03:22.800 +want it to do, and you say + +00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.959 +"Great, I'll move on to my work now." So + +00:03:26.959 --> 00:03:29.280 +that's how I got started. I had + +00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:30.879 +a very spartan + +00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.440 +setup for Emacs, which a lot of you must + +00:03:33.440 --> 00:03:36.000 +know... The first time you launch Emacs, + +00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:37.840 +you have this feeling that you're jumping 20 + +00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.599 +years back in time, as far as the + +00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.680 +user interface is concerned. But + +00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.959 +as you get to spend more time with Emacs... + +00:03:46.959 --> 00:03:49.120 +Some would call it Stockholm syndrome + +00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:50.959 +insofar as you can't see + +00:03:50.959 --> 00:03:53.360 +how spartan the entire thing is, but it + +00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:54.640 +actually is + +00:03:54.640 --> 00:03:58.400 +a lovely prison so to speak. + +00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.400 +That's how I got started eight years + +00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:01.680 +ago. I just wanted + +00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.319 +to find a way to do my research properly. + +00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:05.519 +I wanted to have a + +00:04:05.519 --> 00:04:07.280 +tool that I could use to write my notes + +00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.959 +in plain text, because I was already + +00:04:08.959 --> 00:04:11.680 +fairly averse to + +00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.560 +Microsoft solutions when it + +00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.320 +came to taking notes. + +00:04:16.320 --> 00:04:19.359 +So yeah, I got started in emacs. I + +00:04:19.359 --> 00:04:20.880 +read a little bit about what plain text + +00:04:20.880 --> 00:04:23.040 +was about. Just to be clear, + +00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.000 +at the time, yes, I was very good with + +00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:27.120 +computers, + +00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.160 +but I was not a computer science student. + +00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.479 +I had barely any experience with + +00:04:32.479 --> 00:04:33.520 +programming + +00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:36.080 +and coding, and I was even less of a + +00:04:36.080 --> 00:04:36.800 +hacker + +00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:39.919 +back then. + +00:04:39.919 --> 00:04:42.560 +It just goes to show you that at the + +00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:44.479 +beginning, I had close to no knowledge, + +00:04:44.479 --> 00:04:45.840 +whether it be about + +00:04:45.840 --> 00:04:47.840 +the free software world, whether it be + +00:04:47.840 --> 00:04:48.880 +about... + +00:04:48.880 --> 00:04:50.800 +Sacha, do you want to say something? (Sacha: just + +00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.479 +confirming, you're not sharing anything + +00:04:52.479 --> 00:04:54.080 +on the screen at the moment, right?) + +00:04:54.080 --> 00:04:55.360 +No, I'm not sharing anything, I'm + +00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:55.759 +just + +00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:59.040 +presenting. + +00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.240 +So when I started, I had no + +00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:03.680 +experience whatsoever. + +00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:07.199 +I was just a literature major + +00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:11.039 +trying to get better at taking notes. + +00:05:11.039 --> 00:05:13.440 +I stumbled upon LaTeX. As many people + +00:05:13.440 --> 00:05:15.280 +who stumble upon LaTeX know, + +00:05:15.280 --> 00:05:17.039 +you don't just stumble upon + +00:05:17.039 --> 00:05:19.759 +LaTeX, you embroil yourself in the + +00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:21.199 +turmoil of + +00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:24.560 +suffering, of late nights tweaking, + +00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.440 +so that your document is exactly in the + +00:05:27.440 --> 00:05:33.440 +perfect shape you want it to be. + +00:05:33.440 --> 00:05:35.520 +Soon after, when I got started with Emacs + +00:05:35.520 --> 00:05:36.639 +and LaTeX, + +00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:38.400 +I discovered something that truly + +00:05:38.400 --> 00:05:40.560 +changed my life, and it was Org Mode. + +00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.479 +As you'll get a lot of presentations + +00:05:44.479 --> 00:05:46.960 +this afternoon about Org Mode, + +00:05:46.960 --> 00:05:49.360 +I won't be spending too much time on it. + +00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:50.479 +But Org Mode, + +00:05:50.479 --> 00:05:53.680 +for me, was a revelation. It's... + +00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.880 +There was something that, upon reading + +00:05:56.880 --> 00:05:59.039 +articles on how to use Org Mode, + +00:05:59.039 --> 00:06:02.080 +especially one of the key + +00:06:02.080 --> 00:06:04.160 +article that I'd read which really made + +00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.000 +a huge impact on me + +00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.199 +was the "Organize Your Life in Plain Text" one + +00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:10.720 +which i'm sure many of you must have + +00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.240 +stumbled upon + +00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.919 +in your Emacs journey... + +00:06:15.919 --> 00:06:18.720 +For me, when I stumbled upon + +00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:19.680 +this + +00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:21.840 +document, I was starting to get + +00:06:21.840 --> 00:06:23.440 +interested in Getting Things + +00:06:23.440 --> 00:06:24.240 +Done and + +00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.560 +all the nitty-gritty stuff about + +00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:29.199 +organization and self-organization. + +00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.919 +It just felt like everything was under + +00:06:31.919 --> 00:06:32.960 +my fingertips + +00:06:32.960 --> 00:06:36.960 +to make the perfect workflow. + +00:06:36.960 --> 00:06:40.880 +There was something incredibly + +00:06:40.880 --> 00:06:44.080 +satisfying about + +00:06:44.080 --> 00:06:46.319 +having a system that gave you so many + +00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.319 +options to configure your experience + +00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.160 +exactly how you wanted. + +00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.479 +You had this feeling that + +00:06:54.479 --> 00:06:57.199 +the people behind Org Mode had thought + +00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:57.599 +of everything, + +00:06:57.599 --> 00:07:00.479 +whichever small adjustment + +00:07:00.479 --> 00:07:02.000 +that you needed in workflow + +00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.800 +whether it be more states for your + +00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:05.440 +TODOs, + +00:07:05.440 --> 00:07:07.520 +whether it be, oh, I want my weeks to + +00:07:07.520 --> 00:07:09.360 +start on Monday and not on Saturday, + +00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.039 +oh, it's half past one and I need + +00:07:13.039 --> 00:07:13.520 +to... + +00:07:13.520 --> 00:07:15.280 +in the morning, I mean, and I need to make + +00:07:15.280 --> 00:07:17.680 +sure that the item that i'm marking as done + +00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:19.199 +is done for the day before and not for + +00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.919 +the current day. You see what I'm talking about. + +00:07:21.919 --> 00:07:25.280 +So many details that were already + +00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:28.800 +present in Org Mode. At first you're + +00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.039 +really impressed, because you think, + +00:07:31.039 --> 00:07:34.080 +wow, they thought of everything, but then + +00:07:34.080 --> 00:07:35.599 +you realize that it's just a matter of + +00:07:35.599 --> 00:07:38.080 +experience, just a matter of people + +00:07:38.080 --> 00:07:40.800 +contributing code, because the + +00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:42.400 +development of Org Mode, Emacs, and + +00:07:42.400 --> 00:07:43.520 +everything is just + +00:07:43.520 --> 00:07:45.440 +open to the public. You know, it's like + +00:07:45.440 --> 00:07:46.879 +everything is being done with the garage + +00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.560 +door opened. You can just + +00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.960 +go on Org Mode on Savannah and see + +00:07:50.960 --> 00:07:54.800 +everything that is being developed. + +00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:58.639 +For me, the shift that occurred + +00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:02.639 +in my mind was when + +00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:04.240 +I was reading all the options, I + +00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.240 +was looking at all the variables that i + +00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.160 +could modify for Org Mode, + +00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:11.440 +and there came a time, maybe two to three + +00:08:11.440 --> 00:08:12.560 +years ago, + +00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:15.599 +where I thought, oh wow, + +00:08:15.599 --> 00:08:17.759 +maybe for the first time in a while, + +00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:19.599 +there is no option for me to do what I + +00:08:19.599 --> 00:08:21.440 +want to be doing with Org Mode. + +00:08:21.440 --> 00:08:24.479 +I believe at the time the the key + +00:08:24.479 --> 00:08:29.199 +issue that triggered this reflex for me was + +00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.039 +I wanted to do something with the agenda. + +00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:33.599 +I wanted to have a super category so, you + +00:08:33.599 --> 00:08:34.159 +know, in the... + +00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:36.320 +for those of you who know, in your + +00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.000 +agenda, you have the ability to have many + +00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:39.440 +files, and you have the ability to have + +00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.200 +categories. + +00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:47.920 +I wanted somehow to group my + +00:08:47.920 --> 00:08:51.680 +TODOs in smaller groups, or bigger + +00:08:51.680 --> 00:08:52.560 +groups, I should say, + +00:08:52.560 --> 00:08:53.920 +so that, for instance, I could have one + +00:08:53.920 --> 00:08:55.440 +group for my professional life, I could + +00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:56.000 +have a group + +00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.120 +for one work, the second + +00:08:59.120 --> 00:08:59.600 +work... + +00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:00.800 +I could have something for + +00:09:00.800 --> 00:09:02.800 +university and all this. + +00:09:02.800 --> 00:09:06.000 +I thought, yeah, + +00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.600 +I think I'd like this. + +00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.959 +After having spent so long working + +00:09:12.959 --> 00:09:15.519 +with Emacs and working with Org Mode, + +00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:17.200 +I had some ideas about what was + +00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:18.800 +within the realm of possibility and what + +00:09:18.800 --> 00:09:21.120 +wasn't. Here I thought to myself, + +00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.320 +this is definitely something that I can do. + +00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.839 +And so thus started my journey + +00:09:27.839 --> 00:09:31.360 +into the Org Mode libraries. + +00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.040 +I won't go too much into details right + +00:09:33.040 --> 00:09:34.959 +now, because right now, the main objective + +00:09:34.959 --> 00:09:37.040 +that I have is just to show you + +00:09:37.040 --> 00:09:40.240 +how simple it is to become a maintainer, + +00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:41.600 +how to become more involved with the + +00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:42.800 +development. + +00:09:42.800 --> 00:09:46.320 +The libraries in Org Mode, + +00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:50.320 +they're written in Elisp, which is a very... + +00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.080 +It might seem like an obscure language, + +00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.080 +and it certainly is, + +00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.399 +but as soon as you get the logic of the + +00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:57.279 +language--and + +00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:59.360 +what i'm telling you + +00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:00.560 +is coming from someone who's never + +00:10:00.560 --> 00:10:01.760 +studied programming-- + +00:10:01.760 --> 00:10:04.399 +it made sense. + +00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:06.079 +Everything is so verbose when you get + +00:10:06.079 --> 00:10:07.279 +into the code. + +00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.399 +When you learn the rudiments + +00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.360 +of Elisp, you start getting to the code, + +00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:14.079 +and you start + +00:10:14.079 --> 00:10:17.120 +thinking, wow, okay that makes sense, + +00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:19.519 +and you start developing a logic + +00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:21.360 +for all this. + +00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.720 +So, equipped as I was with this + +00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.760 +new knowledge, I went on my project, + +00:10:27.760 --> 00:10:30.000 +i went into the Org agenda code, + +00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:30.880 +and I thought, okay, + +00:10:30.880 --> 00:10:33.440 +is there anything that I can use to do + +00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:34.640 +my bidding? + +00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:38.560 +Fast forward maybe two to three weeks of + +00:10:38.560 --> 00:10:41.600 +intense turmoil and many nights which + +00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:42.720 +were spent + +00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:46.079 +single-mindedly working on this project, + +00:10:46.079 --> 00:10:48.079 +two weeks after, I had something that was + +00:10:48.079 --> 00:10:51.680 +working, and I was pretty happy about it. + +00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:54.640 +That was a key landmark for + +00:10:54.640 --> 00:10:56.800 +me, because when that happened, + +00:10:56.800 --> 00:11:00.320 +it just felt like, okay, I can contribute + +00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.160 +something to Org Mode, and I can do + +00:11:02.160 --> 00:11:06.000 +something that would benefit as many people + +00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.600 +as possible. + +00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.519 +And to me, that was the click. That's when + +00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.440 +it occurred. That's when I + +00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:14.640 +went on my first project and I did something + +00:11:14.640 --> 00:11:18.079 +that felt useful to the community. + +00:11:18.079 --> 00:11:20.079 +And nowadays, as I told you, I + +00:11:20.079 --> 00:11:21.760 +maintain packages, but really, nothing + +00:11:21.760 --> 00:11:22.640 +has changed. + +00:11:22.640 --> 00:11:24.399 +The only thing, maybe, that has changed + +00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.320 +that I've turned my mind onto other problems. + +00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:32.000 +Maybe I've got three more minutes + +00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.279 +and I'd like to finish by + +00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:38.399 +maybe something a little different. + +00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:39.600 +I've told you my Emacs story and + +00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.079 +I hope I've stressed how little effort + +00:11:42.079 --> 00:11:43.600 +it took me to + +00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.560 +move from steps to steps on the ladder. + +00:11:46.560 --> 00:11:48.399 +The ladder implies a sense of hierarchy, + +00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:48.959 +but it really isn't. + +00:11:48.959 --> 00:11:52.240 +Whatever your step on the + +00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:53.920 +journey of Emacs is... + +00:11:53.920 --> 00:11:55.600 +Some of you might be at the + +00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:57.440 +step where you're really worried + +00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.360 +about learning Elisp because it feels + +00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:01.440 +like such a monumental task to be + +00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:02.399 +undertaking + +00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.720 +and you have no experience whatsoever, + +00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:06.079 +but the thing is, + +00:12:06.079 --> 00:12:07.839 +maybe you could try climbing this first + +00:12:07.839 --> 00:12:09.600 +step on the ladder. Maybe you could try, + +00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:11.200 +if you have any project, + +00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.120 +if you've been using Org Mode, + +00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.600 +maybe one day you thought, "oh, yes, + +00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.160 +I wish I could do this but I can't," + +00:12:18.160 --> 00:12:19.920 +or maybe do try to do this, + +00:12:19.920 --> 00:12:21.680 +maybe do try to change something in a + +00:12:21.680 --> 00:12:23.279 +major mode that you're using + +00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.560 +and which you feel might be better. + +00:12:26.560 --> 00:12:29.760 +I think Emacs, Org Mode, and all free + +00:12:29.760 --> 00:12:31.040 +software in general + +00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:34.720 +has this tendency to give you this idea + +00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.720 +that I can be a hacker + +00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:41.360 +in the sense of the term + +00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.200 +that you're modifying things + +00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.320 +to do your bidding. + +00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.399 +For me, I believe this to be a very + +00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.320 +healthy attitude towards software. + +00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.079 +As Amin said in the very beginning, + +00:12:54.079 --> 00:12:57.279 +we are doing this entire presentation-- + +00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.800 +sorry, this entire conference with free software. + +00:13:00.800 --> 00:13:02.240 +Just see all the things we've been able + +00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:03.920 +to do in free software. + +00:13:03.920 --> 00:13:07.360 +For me, Emacs + +00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:10.399 +was my gateway, so to speak, + +00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:14.399 +into how to contribute to free software, + +00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:18.639 +about the philosophy that surrounds it. + +00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:20.560 +What I would like to do... I'll finish + +00:13:20.560 --> 00:13:22.000 +on this note and then I'll be taking + +00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:23.360 +your questions. + +00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.480 +Just try. + +00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.360 +You've read on Reddit that you + +00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:31.279 +need to go through the Elisp manual + +00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.040 +in Emacs. You might be scared, + +00:13:33.040 --> 00:13:35.920 +but just do it. Just give it a shot. + +00:13:35.920 --> 00:13:38.560 +Just give it maybe one afternoon. + +00:13:38.560 --> 00:13:39.199 +Try to read it. + +00:13:39.199 --> 00:13:43.120 +Try to see if this appeals to your mind. + +00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:44.399 +If you've been interested enough in my + +00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:45.680 +presentation right now, and if you're + +00:13:45.680 --> 00:13:47.199 +interested enough in any of the talks + +00:13:47.199 --> 00:13:48.560 +you're going to have during the entire + +00:13:48.560 --> 00:13:49.519 +conference, + +00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:51.839 +do give it a shot. I'm pretty sure + +00:13:51.839 --> 00:13:52.959 +you will like the journey + +00:13:52.959 --> 00:13:55.760 +on which you will be embarking upon. So i + +00:13:55.760 --> 00:13:57.120 +believe i'm finishing one minute early + +00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:01.040 +but I see quite a bit of questions already. + +00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:04.320 +I'm not sure. Sacha, should I + +00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.000 +just be reading the questions, or + +00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:07.120 +do you want to be feeding me the + +00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.639 +questions? + +00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:11.120 +(Amin: It's really up to you. it's + +00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:12.320 +completely up to you. + +00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:13.600 +If you've got the questions + +00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.839 +open and can take them or read them, + +00:14:15.839 --> 00:14:18.320 +by all means please.) + +00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:19.680 +Okay, well, I'm going to read them because + +00:14:19.680 --> 00:14:20.880 +I've got them on the side. I'm going + +00:14:20.880 --> 00:14:22.800 +to start with the one at the bottom. + +00:14:22.800 --> 00:14:24.959 +"Do you feel that being a white male + +00:14:24.959 --> 00:14:26.959 +contributed to your experience?" + +00:14:26.959 --> 00:14:29.680 +Yeah. I mean, I do believe... There's + +00:14:29.680 --> 00:14:31.360 +an idea of privilege. I mean, I'm + +00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.639 +french. I live in... I'm lucky enough to + +00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:35.279 +be here + +00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.560 +at university, okay, and I'm fairly aware + +00:14:38.560 --> 00:14:39.120 +of the + +00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.600 +discrepancies that happen, even in France, + +00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:42.880 +according to this... + +00:14:42.880 --> 00:14:46.320 +So, yes, I believe my journey + +00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:51.199 +was heavily influenced by this. + +00:14:51.199 --> 00:14:52.639 +If you would like to specify the + +00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.320 +question, please do, but I don't have + +00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:56.560 +really all that much to ask on this. + +00:14:56.560 --> 00:14:59.839 +"What is your advice to start learning + +00:14:59.839 --> 00:15:01.279 +Elisp language? Any particularly good + +00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:04.160 +resource or any other tips?" I finished + +00:15:04.160 --> 00:15:07.760 +um my presentation by telling you about + +00:15:07.760 --> 00:15:10.560 +the Elisp introduction which is built into + +00:15:10.560 --> 00:15:13.519 +Emacs. What I might do... I'm going to share my + +00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:15.120 +screen just to show you + +00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:19.519 +how this works. I will be sharing + +00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.880 +this window. + +00:15:22.880 --> 00:15:24.399 +I believe it's frozen on my end, so I + +00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.199 +can't see anything. + +00:15:27.199 --> 00:15:28.959 +i'm not sure if you can see me or if my + +00:15:28.959 --> 00:15:32.560 +camera is moving. + +00:15:32.560 --> 00:15:34.800 +Okay, so my Firefox is frozen. So i'll + +00:15:34.800 --> 00:15:36.000 +answer the question, but I won't be able + +00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:36.800 +to show you + +00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:40.000 +what I wanted to show you. + +00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.639 +There's a built-in guide inside Emacs to + +00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:44.320 +learn Elisp. + +00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:46.880 +Maybe the best chance that you have + +00:15:46.880 --> 00:15:49.040 +is just to go open these info pages. + +00:15:49.040 --> 00:15:50.959 +I'm sure someone will be kind enough to + +00:15:50.959 --> 00:15:53.839 +mention this to you in the #emacsconf channel + +00:15:53.839 --> 00:15:54.880 +on IRC + +00:15:54.880 --> 00:15:56.880 +but it's probably the best way + +00:15:56.880 --> 00:15:59.040 +to get started with Elisp. + +00:15:59.040 --> 00:16:01.279 +You know, we tend to get obsessed, with + +00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.360 +software and with programming, about + +00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:04.880 +what's the best way to get started. + +00:16:04.880 --> 00:16:06.959 +You see so many people who are + +00:16:06.959 --> 00:16:08.399 +heavily interested + +00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:10.639 +in getting started with programming but + +00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.320 +they never managed to get started + +00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.320 +because there's so much choice. + +00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:16.320 +My advice would be to just get started. + +00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.800 +Don't get so worried about the first step. + +00:16:18.800 --> 00:16:21.839 +Well, if I may still recommend the + +00:16:21.839 --> 00:16:23.920 +first step, even after saying this, + +00:16:23.920 --> 00:16:26.480 +do try to start with the + +00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:28.000 +built-in guides. I believe they're pretty + +00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:29.600 +pretty good. + +00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.079 +There was another question. It's + +00:16:32.079 --> 00:16:33.199 +the last question that I can read and + +00:16:33.199 --> 00:16:34.800 +after that, you will have to read + +00:16:34.800 --> 00:16:36.000 +the questions for me because everything + +00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.920 +is frozen on my end. + +00:16:37.920 --> 00:16:41.600 +I hope I'm not frozen + +00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.240 +in a very bad position so + +00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:45.680 +please excuse me if + +00:16:45.680 --> 00:16:48.240 +my mouth is open or anything. (Amin: no, we + +00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:49.759 +just completely lost the video feed, so + +00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.120 +no worries.) + +00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:52.720 +Oh, splendid, so I won't have to make a + +00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.800 +fool out of myself. + +00:16:54.800 --> 00:16:56.800 +So the last question I wanted to answer was + +00:16:56.800 --> 00:16:58.320 +"Have you read Dirk Gently's Holistic + +00:16:58.320 --> 00:16:59.199 +Detective Agency?" + +00:16:59.199 --> 00:17:03.519 +No, I haven't. I hope it's not + +00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.199 +a jab at the way i'm dressing for the + +00:17:05.199 --> 00:17:06.559 +conference, but yeah, + +00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.559 +I haven't read it. Was there any + +00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:10.559 +other question? + +00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:15.919 +(Amin: I see one other question. + +00:17:15.919 --> 00:17:17.919 +"Any recommendation for good packaging + +00:17:17.919 --> 00:17:19.679 +guides or places to start? + +00:17:19.679 --> 00:17:23.199 +i get a bit overwhelmed by some things. + +00:17:23.199 --> 00:17:24.959 +For example, the choice of different test + +00:17:24.959 --> 00:17:26.799 +frameworks.") + +00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:28.240 +Right. Okay. So that's a very good + +00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.400 +question. I believe + +00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.840 +alphapapa is in the chat right now. + +00:17:33.840 --> 00:17:35.840 +As myself a new lisp developer for + +00:17:35.840 --> 00:17:38.320 +org-roam, i'd really recommend you to look into + +00:17:38.320 --> 00:17:40.640 +his package developers' guide because you + +00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.799 +have a list of all the softwares that + +00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:44.559 +are extremely useful to be using when + +00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:45.760 +you're getting started. + +00:17:45.760 --> 00:17:48.000 +If you're looking into a first + +00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.000 +step for how to develop + +00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.640 +elast package, i'd really advise you to + +00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:53.520 +look into edebug. + +00:17:53.520 --> 00:17:56.559 +It's one word, edebug, + +00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:58.400 +and you have a section in the manual for this, + +00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.799 +because for me, it was the key step to + +00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:01.919 +getting to + +00:18:01.919 --> 00:18:04.320 +develop good packages. It was + +00:18:04.320 --> 00:18:06.160 +understanding basically what the code did + +00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.960 +and having us something like a + +00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:09.919 +REPL (read-evaluate-print-loop) + +00:18:09.919 --> 00:18:11.760 +that allows you to step through the code + +00:18:11.760 --> 00:18:13.360 +and see exactly which states the + +00:18:13.360 --> 00:18:16.000 +variables are at which at this point in the + +00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.400 +program. That's really my biggest advice + +00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.080 +to you + +00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:21.200 +[Music] + +00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.400 +Any other question? Thanks. Yeah, I see one + +00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:26.160 +or two more. + +00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:28.240 +So there's one. They ask, "How did the + +00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.080 +freedom of Emacs help you on + +00:18:30.080 --> 00:18:33.120 +your way?" + +00:18:33.120 --> 00:18:36.480 +So the freedom of Emacs... I mentioned + +00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:38.080 +that Emacs, for me, was my gateway + +00:18:38.080 --> 00:18:40.320 +into free software and the freedom of + +00:18:40.320 --> 00:18:41.360 +Emacs was that + +00:18:41.360 --> 00:18:43.840 +you could maybe... First and foremost, + +00:18:43.840 --> 00:18:44.960 +compared to + +00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.840 +other software, was that you had + +00:18:47.840 --> 00:18:48.400 +behind Emacs, + +00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.039 +Elisp, which allows you to read the code, + +00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:52.400 +read whatever is going on in the + +00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:53.039 +background. + +00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:54.640 +Surely, if you go deep enough, you'll + +00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:56.160 +end up on + +00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:58.000 +C functions that you might not be able to + +00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.679 +read if you do not have the experience. + +00:18:59.679 --> 00:19:02.000 +But for Org Mode, which was my gateway + +00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.520 +into Emacs, + +00:19:03.520 --> 00:19:06.400 +most of it is written in Elisp, and all + +00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.240 +the commands have a very verbose + +00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.080 +name, like something simple as + +00:19:10.080 --> 00:19:13.440 +org go to next subtree or + +00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.840 +org go to a parent subtree. You know, things + +00:19:15.840 --> 00:19:16.880 +like this. + +00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.240 +It's so elegant. It's verbose. + +00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:22.799 +That's a sense of freedom + +00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:24.320 +insofar as you can go into the code and + +00:19:24.320 --> 00:19:26.160 +see, oh, okay, that's how it's implemented. + +00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.640 +I believe in a way that's the freedom + +00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:30.400 +and the liberty that is given to you to + +00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:31.600 +look into the code + +00:19:31.600 --> 00:19:33.039 +is something that invites you to do the + +00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:34.640 +same with your life. As + +00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:35.200 +someone who + +00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:36.559 +does a little bit of philosophy on the + +00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:38.080 +side, I believe it's a very healthy + +00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:38.799 +message + +00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.320 +to be gathering from a piece of software. + +00:19:42.320 --> 00:19:45.440 +(Amin: Awesome, thank you. + +00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:50.960 +Let's see... So we have... + +00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:57.200 +I think I saw another question pop up.) + +00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:58.559 +I'm not sure how we're doing as far + +00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.760 +as time is concerned... I believe we + +00:19:59.760 --> 00:20:02.080 +have like one or two minutes more. + +00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:04.240 +(Amin: Yeah, actually, we're quite a bit + +00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:05.679 +ahead of the schedule, so if we take a + +00:20:05.679 --> 00:20:07.840 +little bit longer, we're fine. + +00:20:07.840 --> 00:20:09.440 +If you do have more + +00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:11.280 +questions, please do.) I'm just sorry that + +00:20:11.280 --> 00:20:12.880 +my video is not working anymore. + +00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:16.000 +(Amin: No problem. Someone was + +00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:17.120 +actually saying... + +00:20:17.120 --> 00:20:21.120 +What's the most recent... + +00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:24.159 +Actually, yeah well before that. + +00:20:24.159 --> 00:20:25.919 +"Please show off your three-piece suit + +00:20:25.919 --> 00:20:27.440 +before you end your talk, + +00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.080 +which requires fixing your frozen camera. + +00:20:30.080 --> 00:20:31.919 +if this is not possible, please post + +00:20:31.919 --> 00:20:34.000 +suit selfies in an easily accessible + +00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.240 +location." + +00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:38.720 +Okay, I'll make sure to do this. But yes, I + +00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:40.559 +wanted to hype things up for the + +00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:41.200 +conference, + +00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.039 +so yes I did get the three-piece suit out. + +00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:44.400 +I'm very glad + +00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.919 +you like it. By the way when you get + +00:20:45.919 --> 00:20:47.760 +a chance to see me live again, + +00:20:47.760 --> 00:20:50.080 +do appreciate that my tie has both the + +00:20:50.080 --> 00:20:51.280 +colors of Emacs purple + +00:20:51.280 --> 00:20:53.679 +and also Org Mode green. + +00:20:53.679 --> 00:20:55.760 +It took me a while to find this one, so I + +00:20:55.760 --> 00:21:00.840 +hope you will appreciate this. + +00:21:00.840 --> 00:21:03.679 +(Amin: Awesome. Let's see. We have + +00:21:03.679 --> 00:21:06.880 +one other question. "What's the + +00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.960 +most recent Emacs package or tool that + +00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:10.159 +you've discovered + +00:21:10.159 --> 00:21:14.480 +that you've added to your repertoire?") + +00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:17.600 +Very interesting question. + +00:21:17.600 --> 00:21:20.799 +The thing is, + +00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:22.320 +when you've spent as long as I have on + +00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:23.919 +Emacs--and I know that I've only spent + +00:21:23.919 --> 00:21:25.120 +eight years and some of you + +00:21:25.120 --> 00:21:28.799 +might have spent maybe 10, 20, maybe even + +00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:30.000 +more years on Emacs-- + +00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:32.799 +but for me, I believe the the coolest + +00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:35.120 +neat trick that I found in Emacs was + +00:21:35.120 --> 00:21:40.080 +a mode which is called beacon-mode. + +00:21:40.080 --> 00:21:42.559 +It's something that allows + +00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:43.679 +you to show + +00:21:43.679 --> 00:21:45.120 +when you're jumping between buffers or + +00:21:45.120 --> 00:21:46.960 +when you're dropping between windows, + +00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:49.760 +it shows exactly where your point is in + +00:21:49.760 --> 00:21:51.520 +that buffer by making + +00:21:51.520 --> 00:21:53.840 +a slight ray of light which looks like a + +00:21:53.840 --> 00:21:55.440 +beacon, hence the name. + +00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.760 +It really helps you navigate buffers + +00:21:57.760 --> 00:21:59.520 +because it always shows in a very + +00:21:59.520 --> 00:22:01.760 +visual way where your point is. + +00:22:01.760 --> 00:22:03.520 +I'll get a chance to show this to + +00:22:03.520 --> 00:22:04.640 +you later today + +00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:10.159 +when i'll be presenting my other talks. + +00:22:10.159 --> 00:22:13.840 +(Amin: AWesome. + +00:22:13.840 --> 00:22:16.880 +We have one question + +00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:20.159 +from Jonas, the maintainer + +00:22:20.159 --> 00:22:20.880 +from Magit. + +00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:24.720 +He asks, "When you touched your + +00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:26.880 +webcam, that blew a fuse at my place. + +00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.760 +How did you do that?") + +00:22:29.760 --> 00:22:31.600 +Well, I'm very sorry, Jonas, that it + +00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:32.960 +happened to you, but i'll make sure not + +00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:36.960 +to touch my webcam again. + +00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:41.600 +(Amin: Do we have any other questions?) + +00:22:41.600 --> 00:22:43.919 +I have to trust you on this one. + +00:22:43.919 --> 00:22:45.840 +I'm really sorry. Everything is frozen + +00:22:45.840 --> 00:22:46.960 +on my end. + +00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:48.720 +(Amin: No problem. Yeah i'm more talking to the + +00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:49.940 +audience, I guess.) + +00:22:49.940 --> 00:22:51.520 +[Music] + +00:22:51.520 --> 00:22:55.120 +I hope my lack of + +00:22:55.120 --> 00:22:56.960 +slides didn't bother you. I really + +00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:58.159 +wanted to have this + +00:22:58.159 --> 00:23:01.039 +verbose time with people, to be + +00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:01.600 +able to... + +00:23:01.600 --> 00:23:04.880 +it's a message that i've been trying + +00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:08.640 +to share with as many people as possible. + +00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.760 +In france we do have an Emacs workshop + +00:23:11.760 --> 00:23:14.159 +that we have on a monthly basis. + +00:23:14.159 --> 00:23:16.000 +I've been learning a lot + +00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.960 +with those people and I felt like + +00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.400 +doing the same with Emacs conference + +00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:22.480 +would be good. That's why i'm really + +00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.000 +happy, and I'm really lucky to have had + +00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:25.120 +the chance to + +00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:27.919 +do this today. I hope some of you + +00:23:27.919 --> 00:23:29.200 +I've convinced you + +00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.679 +of climbing up a step on a ladder or + +00:23:31.679 --> 00:23:34.480 +making a step in a journey. + +00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:38.080 +(Amin: Absolutely. Thank you so much, Leo. + +00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:41.279 +I happen to completely agree + +00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.600 +with your not necessarily using a slide + +00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:45.600 +when it's not really needed + +00:23:45.600 --> 00:23:49.200 +and to help give some face-to-face time + +00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.840 +with the audience. Unfortunately + +00:23:51.840 --> 00:23:53.520 +your webcam cut out, but I mean + +00:23:53.520 --> 00:23:55.200 +before that.) + +00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.279 +Yes, I'll make sure to fix the problems + +00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:59.679 +later on, so don't worry about it. + +00:23:59.679 --> 00:24:02.240 +(Amin: Awesome. Alrighty. I guess we're + +00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:03.200 +wrapping up + +00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.400 +for your talk and getting ready for the + +00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.000 +next talk.) + +00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.000 +Sure. Well, thank you so much. I'll see + +00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:11.760 +you all later, I suppose! + +00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:16.799 +(Amin: Sounds good. Thank you again, Leo. Bye-bye) |