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 Captioner: mohsen
 
-Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20blee-lcnt%3A%20Blee-LCNT%3A%20An%20Emacs-centered%20content%20production%20and%20self-publication%20framework)
+<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="blee-lcnt-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1>
+
+[[!template text="""Greetings. Salaam again. I'm delighted to be here""" start="00:00:00.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and happy to answer your questions.""" start="00:00:05.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I'm not seeing anything yet,""" start="00:00:11.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""but let me take advantage of this time""" start="00:00:12.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to speak about one question""" start="00:00:17.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""If you can bring up the pad so that you can look at it.""" start="00:00:17.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that I saw coming in earlier on the pad,""" start="00:00:20.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""which was all the outputs""" start="00:00:22.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and the inputs that you mentioned, where are they?""" start="00:00:25.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So they are on GitHub, and this is in one of my slides.""" start="00:00:29.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I mentioned the URL for it. I'll show you that as well.""" start="00:00:35.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So the URL for it is github.com bxplpc18068,""" start="00:00:43.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Okay. Hang on a second. I will.""" start="00:00:43.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""which is the handle for this talk.""" start="00:00:50.392" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""In there, you have all the PDFs and the HTMLs,""" start="00:00:58.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And then people can join here as well.""" start="00:01:00.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""a citation, a bib input, and also the sources.""" start="00:01:06.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So if you were to go to the PDF, you will see""" start="00:01:12.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Um, both the article presentation and the,""" start="00:01:19.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""let's take a quick look at the.""" start="00:01:24.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Which is what you have seen. So.""" start="00:01:27.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And as far as the sources are, there are two primary files.""" start="00:01:34.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I think we're now in a live Q&A session for Blee-LCNT,""" start="00:01:37.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""This presentation, left to right,""" start="00:01:40.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and people can join us here in the Big Blue Button room,""" start="00:01:46.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is the one that includes all the LaTeX packages.""" start="00:01:47.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""We might as well take a quick look.""" start="00:01:50.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So what's in there is primarily the use packages.""" start="00:01:52.642" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And then it dispatches to body press art.""" start="00:01:57.601" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And this is where the code is.""" start="00:02:07.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And I walked through this briefly.""" start="00:02:11.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, notice here again that this is a mixture of LaTeX and Org.""" start="00:02:14.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Each of the presentation slides are here.""" start="00:02:26.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""For example, my introduction""" start="00:02:31.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is just a video that gets included.""" start="00:02:34.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And then the notes that I use, the voiceover,""" start="00:02:37.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is also included in the LaTeX file.""" start="00:02:41.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Let me... It'll probably be easy""" start="00:02:47.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to take those voiceover notes""" start="00:02:50.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and then align them with a tool like NES.""" start="00:02:52.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to make subtitles for your videos.""" start="00:02:54.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Exactly, and that is what I do.""" start="00:02:58.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So there is a way to gather them all as P-notes.""" start="00:03:01.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And so all the P-notes get together in a single file,""" start="00:03:08.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and then you feed that to Aeneas, and it will align them.""" start="00:03:13.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And then there is the work of using your subed""" start="00:03:20.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to just get the right sort of line length on them.""" start="00:03:23.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But you did all of that for me this year, Sacha.""" start="00:03:30.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Thank you very much.""" start="00:03:33.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""It was just a matter of not having time.""" start="00:03:34.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Otherwise, I plan to do it myself. It's all right.""" start="00:03:37.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""It was very easy since he provided the full narration.""" start="00:03:43.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I still need to tweak it sometimes,""" start="00:03:46.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""so I often use the waveforms in subed""" start="00:03:50.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to find the right starting time and ending time for things.""" start="00:03:52.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But it is so nice to have a presentation""" start="00:03:58.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""where you can experience it in different forms,""" start="00:04:01.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""as an article, as a video, as a post with links and everything.""" start="00:04:03.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Very handy.""" start="00:04:10.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Right, and in case a teacher uses this for class lectures,""" start="00:04:11.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""then the student profits from all sorts.""" start="00:04:20.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""The article presentation format is very useful""" start="00:04:26.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""for a student to add their own notes to it and the rest.""" start="00:04:29.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Exactly as you said, having multiple forms is great.""" start="00:04:33.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Video has its place, reveal has its place,""" start="00:04:37.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""PDF has its place, article has its place.""" start="00:04:40.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""All of them work together.""" start="00:04:44.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I've been having a hard time figuring out""" start="00:04:48.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""how to make the reveal.js version of a presentation""" start="00:04:50.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""more easily distributable, though.""" start="00:04:54.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""This is something we've had a hard time""" start="00:04:57.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""with in the past, too.""" start="00:04:58.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""You have these lovely EmacsConf presentations""" start="00:05:00.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that could be reveal presentations,""" start="00:05:02.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""but hosting them doesn't quite fit""" start="00:05:04.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""in the usual assumptions people have. Exactly, exactly.""" start="00:05:07.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So if we were to have a reveal server,""" start="00:05:13.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""then we could upload our reveal inputs to it.""" start="00:05:16.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But you're right, we should look""" start="00:05:20.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""for some sort of a packaging""" start="00:05:25.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that is more plug and distribute. Yeah, so I'd be all game""" start="00:05:26.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""if we wanted to do it for next year,""" start="00:05:34.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I'd be happy to provide all the reveal outputs.""" start="00:05:36.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""In fact, they are here, let me touch on that quickly.""" start="00:05:42.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Good point you brought up. So, this is the. Reveal output.""" start="00:05:45.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So all of these, you see the images and the audio""" start="00:05:53.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""in my own environment are SIM links to where I keep them.""" start="00:05:57.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So those need to come in,""" start="00:06:02.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""but the reveal output really comes right here.""" start="00:06:06.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And this is how it looks.""" start="00:06:10.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""If that's a link you can add to the pad,""" start="00:06:13.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""then I can add you to the top page afterwards.""" start="00:06:15.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I think as a, as a speaker,""" start="00:06:19.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I tend to just self host the thing.""" start="00:06:21.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And that way also, if I find a bug, which often happens,""" start="00:06:24.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I can go and quietly update it.""" start="00:06:28.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Exactly. Exactly. Sure. Sure. Yeah.""" start="00:06:30.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""This right now, what we are looking at is from GitHub.""" start="00:06:36.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And the audio and the images, of course, are large,""" start="00:06:44.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and I did not upload them. But I can send them, sure.""" start="00:06:48.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, a few other things maybe I can elaborate on.""" start="00:06:55.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""This is the kombut strapping page for BISOS, also on there.""" start="00:07:02.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And if somebody wanted to actually""" start="00:07:08.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""dig deeper and go through this,""" start="00:07:11.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""a good starting point would be my GitHub page.""" start="00:07:12.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But my GitHub page is not done and organized the usual way.""" start="00:07:18.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So I only have three repositories""" start="00:07:24.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and the repositories basically say,""" start="00:07:27.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""here is where you need to go.""" start="00:07:30.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So all of my work is organized as organizations.""" start="00:07:32.267" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, for example, for Emacs, if you were to go to BXBli,""" start="00:07:39.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""you will see all the relevant repos for that purpose.""" start="00:07:48.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, for example, if you wanted to""" start="00:07:56.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""come and take a look at mail template,""" start="00:07:58.976" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""templating, distribution, and tracking,""" start="00:08:03.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""you would get a Emacs package ready to go over here.""" start="00:08:08.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But again, all of this is through the use of GitHub organizations.""" start="00:08:16.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So my repos are by subject""" start="00:08:23.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and the by source itself has 69 repositories""" start="00:08:26.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""where different sections of it are packaged as PIP packages.""" start="00:08:33.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, for example, for LCNT, we can go there.""" start="00:08:38.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, these are the packages that let you,""" start="00:08:42.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""let me go there, that let you dissect.""" start="00:08:46.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Sorry, you have your slides shared at the moment,""" start="00:08:53.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""so I don't know if you're in a different tab.""" start="00:08:55.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Oh, am I in a different tab?""" start="00:08:59.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I thought that that would follow me.""" start="00:09:03.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Yes, I am in a different tab. Let me see.""" start="00:09:06.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""This is the one that you are seeing,""" start="00:09:16.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""so let me go over here. Perfect. Now you're seeing it.""" start="00:09:19.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So literally on the same page. Awesome. Right.""" start="00:09:28.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So you were not actually seeing what I was saying.""" start="00:09:31.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, so what I was saying that is that""" start="00:09:33.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""if you go to my primary website, GitHub page,""" start="00:09:36.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""you will see that there are only three repos there.""" start="00:09:42.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And those repos just give information""" start="00:09:45.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""about where the real repos are.""" start="00:09:49.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And the real repos are organized in various organizations.""" start="00:09:52.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, for example, for Emacs packages, I use the bxblee""" start="00:09:57.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And in there, there are 40 repositories.""" start="00:10:06.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And as an example, you can choose, for example,""" start="00:10:12.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""AI plus is just a few additional libraries for menus, for AIDERMAX.""" start="00:10:15.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And the rest of BLEE is done that way as well.""" start="00:10:26.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So if you were to let me also show""" start="00:10:31.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""more relevant stuff to the content generation.""" start="00:10:36.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And everything related to BySauce in Python is in BySauce pip.""" start="00:10:43.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""These are packages that are ready""" start="00:10:48.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to be exported to pypi and""" start="00:10:52.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""For example, for LCNT, if you go here,""" start="00:10:57.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""let's go to the bin directory.""" start="00:11:02.750" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""These are the utilities that dissect the PDF output of Beamer""" start="00:11:04.559" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""converted to images so that you can insert them in Reveal.""" start="00:11:15.809" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And then again, if you were to just wanted to dig deeper""" start="00:11:23.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""in any of these as components,""" start="00:11:29.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""you would simply start from this top level page""" start="00:11:34.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and explore the organizations.""" start="00:11:40.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So in total, maybe there is 300 repos,""" start="00:11:44.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""but they are organized by subject matter""" start="00:11:48.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""within GitHub organizations.""" start="00:11:54.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Yeah. Additional general comment.""" start="00:12:03.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""If you were to look at my presentation,""" start="00:12:10.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I'd say I touched on five different topics.""" start="00:12:13.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, one topic was this content generation in general.""" start="00:12:17.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""The second one was this challenge of DIY model and recipes""" start="00:12:24.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""versus building something large""" start="00:12:35.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and including everything in it.""" start="00:12:38.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And that is, that has been the motivation""" start="00:12:40.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""for BySauce and BLE.""" start="00:12:43.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And I'm interested in getting feedback on it.""" start="00:12:46.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""In general, the open source culture""" start="00:12:50.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""has been focusing on components""" start="00:12:54.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and large American corporations""" start="00:13:00.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""have focused in integration of these components.""" start="00:13:03.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So my short message here is that""" start="00:13:07.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""we should start thinking as providing solutions""" start="00:13:11.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""as opposed to minor pieces and packages""" start="00:13:17.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and put them all together and claim them as our own digital ecosystem.""" start="00:13:23.520" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And this is the concept behind ByStar, BySource and BLEE.""" start="00:13:30.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""The third point I was making throughout""" start="00:13:38.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is this concept of dynamic blocks everywhere,""" start="00:13:41.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and Comiga, which is the inverse of Babel.""" start="00:13:45.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And I'd also be interested in feedback on those.""" start="00:13:51.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I think the d-blocks-everywhere concept,""" start="00:13:57.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I can very quickly show that.""" start="00:14:03.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""it would be in the LaTeX file, as an example.""" start="00:14:13.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I didn't really do a good job in digging deeper into that.""" start="00:14:18.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So if you go to the sources""" start="00:14:23.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and you look at any of the slides,""" start="00:14:25.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""All the slides are in here inside of a dynamic block.""" start="00:14:31.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""This is an org D block,""" start="00:14:39.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""but you would invoke it in LaTeX mode.""" start="00:14:41.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And then from this begin to this end,""" start="00:14:46.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""everything is auto-generated""" start="00:14:51.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""through the Elisp function, body MM video.""" start="00:14:54.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And the parameters that it takes are the video pass.""" start="00:15:00.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So all of this code is repeated all over the place.""" start="00:15:06.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And all you need in it is the video pass.""" start="00:15:12.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So it's very easy to think of this as a macro capability,""" start="00:15:15.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""except that the macro is visible.""" start="00:15:21.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And it has one additional benefit""" start="00:15:25.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""on top of general macro capabilities,""" start="00:15:29.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and that is that it's open.""" start="00:15:34.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""In this particular case, it closes,""" start="00:15:36.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""but let me show you another one where it is open.""" start="00:15:41.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So if you look at, this is latex section, this one is good.""" start="00:15:46.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""This is a derived image. And by saying that it's open""" start="00:15:54.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is that you see my begin verbatim and my begin frame.""" start="00:16:00.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""They end and there is no closing for them.""" start="00:16:06.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So the extra text that is outside""" start="00:16:11.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""of the D block and closes it is down here.""" start="00:16:15.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And none of the existing macro capabilities""" start="00:16:21.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""gives you this feature. This even comes handy in Lisp.""" start="00:16:24.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So that is a proposal saying""" start="00:16:30.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that let's make D blocks, dynamic blocks,""" start="00:16:40.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""generalized to all of Emacs, as opposed to just org mode.""" start="00:16:47.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And that's relatively simple.""" start="00:16:52.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And the Emacs source team could easily decide""" start="00:16:54.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that this is worthwhile doing.""" start="00:17:01.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And then, of course, I've gone""" start="00:17:02.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""over it through the presentation.""" start="00:17:07.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So, I see 1 question coming in. What changes have you seen?""" start="00:17:09.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the culture while developing all these things""" start="00:17:20.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""like liver halal system and now BLCNT.""" start="00:17:24.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Well, it's a work in progress, I would say.""" start="00:17:28.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""We learn from one another.""" start="00:17:40.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And what I'm doing may be considered""" start="00:17:43.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""just a stepwise increment,""" start="00:17:47.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""but the cultural input is that we really should start""" start="00:17:52.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""thinking about providing solutions as opposed to packages.""" start="00:18:01.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""The FOSS culture is really limited in its scope to packages""" start="00:18:09.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""or even if when you think something very large like Debian,""" start="00:18:19.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""which is a collection of packages.""" start="00:18:24.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And it is still choice oriented,""" start="00:18:28.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""as opposed to solution oriented.""" start="00:18:31.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Yeah. Are there any additional topics or questions?""" start="00:18:55.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Otherwise, I'll just add a few additional concepts.""" start="00:19:03.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So the two other points made throughout the presentations""" start="00:19:11.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""are that this statement about clear invalidity""" start="00:19:18.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""of the Western IPO regime.""" start="00:19:28.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So throughout the first movement,""" start="00:19:30.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""we have been focusing on providing alternative licenses""" start="00:19:34.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""which coexist with the IPR system.""" start="00:19:42.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And that is the practical thing to do.""" start="00:19:49.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""We are doing a jujitsu on IPR.""" start="00:19:52.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""We are saying that this is our license to it.""" start="00:19:55.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But conceptually, there has been little discussion""" start="00:20:00.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and also positioning on this basic question""" start="00:20:07.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""as to whether or not copyright""" start="00:20:14.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and patents are valid or invalid.""" start="00:20:17.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And what I am saying is that it is clear that they are invalid,""" start="00:20:21.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""particularly once you start looking at them""" start="00:20:26.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""with the lens of polyexistentials.""" start="00:20:30.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And that the false movement""" start="00:20:33.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""really needs to combine these two,""" start="00:20:39.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""this notion of free software and open source licenses,""" start="00:20:42.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and combined with the belief system""" start="00:20:47.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that we are completely and utterly against""" start="00:20:51.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the validity of the Western intellectual property rights regime.""" start="00:20:55.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And I use the Western and the American occasionally,""" start="00:21:00.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and the reason behind that is that in fact it is, they are Western.""" start="00:21:05.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""If you go to any other language, if you go to Farsi,""" start="00:21:12.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""if you go to Arabic, if you go to Chinese,""" start="00:21:16.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""if you go to Japanese, which are non-Western cultures,""" start="00:21:19.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the concept of intellectual property,""" start="00:21:24.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the words, the vocabulary of those""" start="00:21:28.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""combination of intellectual and property,""" start="00:21:33.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""did not exist anywhere in those cultures.""" start="00:21:36.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""It's only in the past, maybe 60, 70 years""" start="00:21:40.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that they have been translated from the Western world and brought into it.""" start="00:21:44.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So there is an inherent root""" start="00:21:52.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""into the intellectual property rights system,""" start="00:21:54.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""which goes to the Western culture.""" start="00:21:58.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""The second point that I have brought into""" start="00:22:02.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""this presentation and the previous ones""" start="00:22:08.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is this question of, if we go with free software,""" start="00:22:11.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""if we go with open software,""" start="00:22:16.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""are we really creating the right labels?""" start="00:22:18.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And my point is that no, neither of them,""" start="00:22:22.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""neither free software, nor open source""" start="00:22:25.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""are capturing really the essence""" start="00:22:29.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""of what we are trying to do.""" start="00:22:33.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And I claim that that is in fact ethics and morality.""" start="00:22:36.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And it is societal belief that if we reject""" start="00:22:41.440" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""intellectual property rights regime,""" start="00:22:48.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""what do we replace it with?""" start="00:22:51.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And in my thinking is that a software developer""" start="00:22:53.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""does not get to choose""" start="00:22:58.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""what license goes with his or her software,""" start="00:23:00.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and that the equivalent of a federal GPL""" start="00:23:04.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is the default correct license""" start="00:23:09.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to use for all of your software""" start="00:23:13.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""because it is the one that reflects the belief system""" start="00:23:16.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that all software should be ethical software.""" start="00:23:21.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Yeah, I'm looking at the Etherpad again and""" start="00:23:24.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""The question is about IP and AI.""" start="00:23:43.560" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So yeah, over the past two years,""" start="00:23:48.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""something huge has happened.""" start="00:23:54.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And what I am seeing in there as a solution""" start="00:23:56.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is essentially comes down to a talk""" start="00:24:04.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that was given maybe two years ago by someone at EmacsConf,""" start="00:24:12.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and its label was attribution-based economics.""" start="00:24:16.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""In my thinking, intellectual property""" start="00:24:22.360" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""as a whole is invalid.""" start="00:24:28.320" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But that means that through something like a federal GPL,""" start="00:24:29.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""you focus on attribution basing, proper attribution basing.""" start="00:24:36.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""If somebody has done some work,""" start="00:24:41.720" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""it should be clear, no matter what, that that work is his.""" start="00:24:43.840" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And that we already, even prior to AI, we were seeing this.""" start="00:24:48.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""We were seeing large GitHub repos with hundreds of authors.""" start="00:24:54.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And it was utterly unclear as to who would own this whole thing.""" start="00:24:59.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And any piece of it is not of significance.""" start="00:25:09.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""What is of significance is the whole thing.""" start="00:25:14.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So moving towards that attribution based economics is key.""" start="00:25:16.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And then once we do that,""" start="00:25:25.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and then we accept AI as a reality.""" start="00:25:27.600" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""AI should still take very seriously""" start="00:25:31.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and conform to attribution-based economics.""" start="00:25:38.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""In other words, what is generated by the machine""" start="00:25:44.000" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""should not be claimed to be no one's""" start="00:25:47.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""or the machine owners, the AI owners.""" start="00:25:51.280" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""It should still clearly be attributed""" start="00:25:54.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to the people who contributed in its creation.""" start="00:25:56.880" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""This all becomes very muddy, very clear,""" start="00:26:03.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and I don't have a simple or clear answer to it.""" start="00:26:06.960" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But the perimeters of the solution lie in""" start="00:26:11.920" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""rejection of intellectual property,""" start="00:26:16.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""replacement of the intellectual property""" start="00:26:21.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""with attribution-based economics,""" start="00:26:25.040" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and restrictions on AI use""" start="00:26:27.400" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""of not properly attributed content.""" start="00:26:31.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Yeah, I'd say that would be, it's a complicated topic""" start="00:26:38.200" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and I would simply say I haven't figured it out at all.""" start="00:26:50.240" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I just have a perimeter set of concepts""" start="00:26:56.120" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that can be used to drive it.""" start="00:27:03.760" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Are there any other questions? If there aren't any,""" start="00:27:06.480" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I thank everybody again,""" start="00:27:20.680" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and particularly the EmacsConf organizers and Sacha.""" start="00:27:23.160" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And I look forward to continuing all of this next year.""" start="00:27:27.800" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Unless there is any objection,""" start="00:27:32.640" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I'll leave the session and close it. Thank you.""" start="00:27:39.080" video="qanda-blee-lcnt" id="subtitle"]]
+
+</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20blee-lcnt%3A%20Blee-LCNT%3A%20An%20Emacs-centered%20content%20production%20and%20self-publication%20framework)
 
 
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