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+Recording started.
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+Great. All right, you are live in Common Lisp on dev.
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+This is Corwin back and I've got screwlisp with me,
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+the host of the Lispy Gopher... Climate, I like to say.
+
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+It used to be show.
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+The Lispy Gopher show or the Lispy Gopher Climate.
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+Thank you so much for joining us. Minutes.
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+Yeah, we're just, we've got already
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+a whole pad full of questions
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+and we have a unique opportunity if you,
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+if you check out the etherpad,
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+you'll see some instructions there to join on Lambda Moo,
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+which screwless,
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+but I'm hoping you will talk to us a little bit about that
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+as well as your, your very cool project.
+
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+Oh yeah, so I main on Lambda, as Corwin is saying.
+
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+And Corwin was pretending not to know the name of the show,
+
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+but he has in fact appeared on an episode of it
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+in January this year, I think.
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+So he was just pretending there. I'm screwless of this.
+
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+What's happening?
+
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+10 minutes or less before we started going live here,
+
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+they were like, remember how you said you fixed that bug?
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+And then I had to quickly recapitulate my whole talk.
+
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+And I introduced some new bugs while that was happening.
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+But let's go through some of these questions.
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+We're all hanging out in LambdaMoo.
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+So if you mx telnet over to lambda.moo.mud.org port 8888.
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+This is where we're talking at the moment
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+with people like Ed Swarthout, DM, and yduJ,
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+who I gossiped about in the show,
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+and Sasha, and people were there a little bit as well.
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+I'm just going to read some of the questions
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+that GGXX in Lambdomoo has been relaying to me there,
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+though I hear that there are a whole bunch of them now.
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+Someone asks on the Etherpad,
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+what do you mean when I say the agent is running slowly?
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+Yeah, so if you saw in the talk,
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+I was having the agent only attempt
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+to act every 20 seconds.
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+This is what I mean by the agent is acting slowly.
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+So this is quite different
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+to what people might expect within AI
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+if people are talking about like the graphics card ones
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+where you're trying crunch as fast as you can
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+for as few seconds as you can, and then you stop.
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+In contrast, my agent is just trying to do
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+a simple action every 20 seconds.
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+But if you keep going continuously
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+at a simple action every 20 seconds
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+without sleeping for days,
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+it still adds up to a lot.
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+So that was the significance of it running slowly.
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+What else are people saying? TGXX to screwtape.
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+Someone asked on the Etherpad,
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+do you think that it would be too hard
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+to add a second way
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+to send commands from Common Lisps to Emacs?
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+No, I put three of them together
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+and I didn't talk about it
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+because this is a kind of affected choice.
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+Right now you're using Emacs client for that.
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+That is the simplest way to implement.
+
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+How about using the slime protocol?
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+Elsewhere, I am just using the SLIME protocol.
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+So, in everyone that's SLIME-connected.
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+So, earlier on, you saw somebody
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+running a SWANK server in Python.
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+Normally, you run a SWANK server in Common Lisp.
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+And a SWANK server is what Emacs SLIME,
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+Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs, connects to.
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+And then Swank comes with Swank Eval and Emacs.
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+So after you've been slime connected,
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+you can trivially send Emacs Lisp forms to Emacs
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+using Swank Eval and Emacs.
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+The reason that I chose to use
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+Emacs server and Emacs client
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+was that I was letting the Leonardo agent
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+talk to Emacs using Swank, Eval, and Emacs.
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+And I wanted my ECL image to be using
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+a different notion of a server.
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+So the ECL image, just because
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+I chose to do it like this,
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+is using Emacs client and Emacs server going via,
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+I guess it's executing a program
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+rather than using a shell.
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+And Yeah, I was letting somebody else
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+use Slime eval in Emacs.
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+It would have been simpler
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+if everybody just used Slime eval in Emacs.
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+I thought I was getting something
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+out of adding Emacs server into the mix.
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+What's somebody saying?
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+Idaj is weirded out by doing get foo bar
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+instead of get foo quote bar.
+
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+Yeah, that was Sandewall's choice.
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+He was trying to pitch Lisp
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+to logic notation people,
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+so he lets people put commas in
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+and then ignores them in certain expressions,
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+and he doesn't have these Lisp-style quotes.
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+Idaj is obviously from like Schlumberger
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+and wherever else she was at in
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+in the kind of list of traditions.
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+Full of Spain is saying good observation.
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+Yidaj is shocked that she's being mentioned.
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+Interestingly Nosredna yduJ capitalizes Nosredna at the front,
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+but she capitalizes yduJ at the back, just for clarity.
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+You should read her Stanford page or her recipe site
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+or anything if you're not clear on who yduJ is.
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+It's actually you're looking for the word eclipsed.
+
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+I think she eclipsed a dodge,
+
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+I think is the English phrase that you're looking for.
+
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+He does just saying she would not.
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+She's no matter what I say
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+she's not going to hug my software agent
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+like she would hug a grandchild eyes me warily.
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+And Sasha is not going to.
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+Totally not training a general intelligence
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+who requires a lot of data
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+and also cuddles. Okay, so everybody who has children
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+is disagreeing with me quoting Sandewall,
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+who did have children and grandchildren,
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+saying that he wanted machine intelligences
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+to be like his grandchild.
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+GGXX is saying somebody on Etherpad
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+is asking what the Leonardo system is.
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+Sandewall is a LISP scientist
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+from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 90s, 10s.
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+with things like bronze statues of him in Sweden.
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+People outside of the Swedish-speaking sphere of science
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+are less familiar with him.
+
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+I guess he famously taught Robert Strand
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+how to program in LISP, if that places him for you.
+
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+What else did he do?
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+Yeah, so he was on a kind of long trajectory of AI,
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+which would now be called good old-fashioned AI.
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+And he was coming from the situation calculus,
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+then activity calculus kind of direction,
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+which are extended first order logics
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+for reasoning about change over time.
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+And his last program he contributed to the world was this.
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+From 2005 to 2014, he worked on
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+this Leonardo system for his master's program.
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+He was teaching at that time
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+at the University of Linköping in Sweden.
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+And... Then he just kind of gradually faded from view
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+while he wrote his unpublished books
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+on reasoning and change, I guess, between 2010 and 2014.
+
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+And then I just kind of noticed this eventually.
+
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+And I brought that software back. And that's what this is.
+
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+And that's why it kind of weirdly exists.
+
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+Welcome to Khaki Guest. Magenta Guest is gone.
+
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+Pink Guest is gone.
+
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+Blue Guest has arrived. Great. Somebody order six.
+
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+Everybody orders sake from Emily.
+
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+We're hanging out in Jay Lamott's sushi bar in Lambda,
+
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+which is on the model railway
+
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+on the table in the second guest bedroom in Lambda House
+
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+where we're all hanging out.
+
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+Oh, I think GGXX is ordering people up things.
+
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+You know, just teach people about this.
+
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+All right, I'm going to try looking
+
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+at the etherpad manually. Sorry, I can read you.
+
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+So the next question you have,
+
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+somebody says, I found Eduardo's blog.
+
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+OK, you just got through that.
+
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+And then we were also, a question you answered
+
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+is the other one that I see here, just about Lambda Moo.
+
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+And I think you started to answer in the pad.
+
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+But if you want to kind of read that out.
+
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+I definitely haven't written anything in the pad.
+
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+I'm going to just talk to Khaki Guest in Lambda.
+
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+Sure, so why don't you do a little bit
+
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+and just read this question.
+
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+The question was, what is LambdaMOO and how do we use it?
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+LambdaMOO is a module introduction,
+
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+and you can tell that to it.
+
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+There's instructions in the pad.
+
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+I'll go ahead and drop that in the gen channel
+
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+or in the dev channel chat right now.
+
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+And I see it is already in there.
+
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+But down at the bottom
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+of the discussion links feedback area,
+
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+you'll see a set of detailed instructions
+
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+that ScrewList has provided us to get in there.
+
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+I think that was actually GGXX
+
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+who might have written that for us.
+
+00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:08.039
+Several changes evolved in the last 10 minutes
+
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+before we went live here.
+
+00:10:09.680 --> 00:10:12.839
+But yeah, so LambdaMoo is
+
+00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:14.879
+the world's longest-running virtual reality.
+
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+I guess it started in the end of October in 1990
+
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+and has run continuously to today.
+
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+You can get there, ideally, with a MUD client.
+
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+Technically, it's a MUD, comma, object-oriented.
+
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+This is just where I hang out some degree of the week.
+
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+yduJ is the wizard yduJ, or sorry,
+
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+yduJ is also the wizard Nosredna of Lambdomoo, for example.
+
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+It kind of fits into quite less history.
+
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+I guess Pavel Curtis would have started in 1990
+
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+for Xerox PARC, originally. Just to go to what Khaki Guest
+
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+has been continuing to talk about.
+
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+Welcome to Brown, Guest, as well, I guess.
+
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+Aki Guest says, to Screwtape,
+
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+it seems like you're trying to build
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+a more restrictive Turing test
+
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+using the input output logs of an Emacs conversation.
+
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+Is that accurate?
+
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+Can you explain this idea of if it is intelligent,
+
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+I'd like it to be like me?
+
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+Otherwise, I don't know what intelligence is.
+
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+Doesn't that seem a little egocentric?
+
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+Is that a joke or a genuine definition of intelligence?
+
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+Why do you think the link between
+
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+input-output of Emacs human input-output
+
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+is stronger than other forms of Turing tests?
+
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+So I'm going to misread Turing tests
+
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+for a moment as Turing-complete.
+
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+And Sandewall's system is very specifically
+
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+Our first-order logic, if we don't extend it,
+
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+is not Turing-complete, for starters.
+
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+And things like situation calculus,
+
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+McCarthy's situation calculus,
+
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+which I guess is prior to
+
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+Sandewall's Leonardo's calculus,
+
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+are extended first-order logics
+
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+for reasoning about change.
+
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+And so they're slightly
+
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+more restricted than conventional,
+
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+than general-purpose computer programs.
+
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+And then what you're saying is, if it's intelligent,
+
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+I'd expect it to be like me.
+
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+I'm really just paraphrasing what Sandewall says about,
+
+00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:23.319
+well, he thinks his grandchildren are intelligent.
+
+00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:24.759
+So if a computer is intelligent,
+
+00:12:24.760 --> 00:12:26.239
+he thinks the computer will have to be
+
+00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.039
+similar to his grandchildren.
+
+00:12:28.040 --> 00:12:32.279
+This is in contrast to people
+
+00:12:32.280 --> 00:12:33.839
+who are using the terms AI
+
+00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.319
+to mean something a graphics card does
+
+00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:41.319
+with extremely specialized bulk matrix multiplication
+
+00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.919
+for a very short period of time
+
+00:12:43.920 --> 00:12:47.519
+on absolutely gigantic electrical
+
+00:12:47.520 --> 00:12:50.159
+and kind of memory and computing resources,
+
+00:12:50.160 --> 00:12:51.519
+which doesn't look at all like what
+
+00:12:51.520 --> 00:12:54.999
+Sandewall's grandchildren were doing.
+
+00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:56.399
+And this is why I'm kind of saying,
+
+00:12:56.400 --> 00:12:57.559
+well, if I have an agent,
+
+00:12:57.560 --> 00:13:00.839
+And my agent is quite simple.
+
+00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:04.519
+It uses Emacs server and Emacs client
+
+00:13:04.520 --> 00:13:07.559
+to send lines of basically extended
+
+00:13:07.560 --> 00:13:09.199
+first-order logic to the agent,
+
+00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:12.959
+and the agent then takes a kind of
+
+00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:15.399
+first-order logic-y action.
+
+00:13:15.400 --> 00:13:21.079
+And I was making the point
+
+00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.479
+that this looks more like me computing
+
+00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:27.519
+using of REPL-driven development like EEV,
+
+00:13:27.520 --> 00:13:30.479
+where in EEV I have basically a log
+
+00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.119
+of something I've previously done,
+
+00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:34.239
+and I can tap F8 and execute
+
+00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:36.479
+line after line after line.
+
+00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:38.839
+And I think if I see an agent doing that,
+
+00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:40.399
+I can clearly understand
+
+00:13:40.400 --> 00:13:43.639
+and relate to what the agent is doing.
+
+00:13:43.640 --> 00:13:45.519
+And so I'm not classifying
+
+00:13:45.520 --> 00:13:49.399
+Like, I never do gigabytes and gigabytes
+
+00:13:49.400 --> 00:13:52.279
+and gigabytes of matrix multiplications,
+
+00:13:52.280 --> 00:13:54.959
+so I can't relate to this as an idea of intelligence.
+
+00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.919
+Sorry. Welcome to GreenGuest teleporting in.
+
+00:13:57.920 --> 00:14:02.759
+FullSpain is saying, no one truly knows what intelligence is.
+
+00:14:02.760 --> 00:14:10.759
+All right. I kind of wished that this was working,
+
+00:14:10.760 --> 00:14:13.199
+because just before we went live, they said,
+
+00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.919
+hey, just have your example working quickly.
+
+00:14:15.920 --> 00:14:18.999
+Then I downloaded my example from my blog,
+
+00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.479
+and I'd double escaped some characters
+
+00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.799
+so that the escaped characters would show up in my blog.
+
+00:14:26.800 --> 00:14:29.759
+And I caused a lot of rampant chaos.
+
+00:14:29.760 --> 00:14:32.319
+If anyone else has a question.
+
+00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:40.759
+Guest has said, but. So. Great.
+
+00:14:40.760 --> 00:14:47.279
+I guess I could go back and try it.
+
+00:14:47.280 --> 00:14:50.399
+I probably should have jumped in a couple of minutes ago
+
+00:14:50.400 --> 00:14:53.279
+and just said the live stream did cut over,
+
+00:14:53.280 --> 00:14:54.919
+but we're continuing to record this
+
+00:14:54.920 --> 00:14:57.119
+and the whole session will be published
+
+00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:58.399
+along with the video on the website.
+
+00:14:58.400 --> 00:15:04.079
+Oh, well. Sorry about that. I tried that.
+
+00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.799
+I just lost a couple of minutes there
+
+00:15:06.800 --> 00:15:08.879
+and failed to give you the smooth morning.
+
+00:15:08.880 --> 00:15:14.199
+Oh, no, no. That's fine. I was just kind of rambling.
+
+00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.959
+Listen. Don't download a web page
+
+00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:19.799
+and try and convert it to an org file on the fly
+
+00:15:19.800 --> 00:15:21.959
+and just before you go live somewhere
+
+00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:23.319
+is the kind of moral here.
+
+00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:27.799
+You know, just saying that's pretty graphics, but it's long.
+
+00:15:27.800 --> 00:15:29.399
+She's dropping. See you later. Yeah.
+
+00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:31.239
+Let's, let's, let's all get out of here.
+
+00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:32.399
+Basically. I'm going to go see
+
+00:15:32.400 --> 00:15:36.159
+if I can look at this ether pad one last time
+
+00:15:36.160 --> 00:15:37.639
+and see if there are any questions
+
+00:15:37.640 --> 00:15:39.359
+just to not leave anyone else.
+
+00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:43.559
+Anyone out much to their chagrin possibly.
+
+00:15:43.560 --> 00:15:47.639
+Um, how to connect to LambdaMu, seems great.
+
+00:15:47.640 --> 00:15:52.159
+Oh, interesting guides, somebody wrote that.
+
+00:15:52.160 --> 00:15:55.439
+What do you mean by slowly? Yeah, so I'm saying taking
+
+00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.279
+a simple action every 20 seconds,
+
+00:15:57.280 --> 00:15:59.079
+this still adds up to a lot over time.
+
+00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:01.599
+Question, do you think that it would be,
+
+00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.079
+yeah, well, if you've used Slime,
+
+00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:05.959
+and hence you're using Swank,
+
+00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:07.239
+you can just Swank, Eval,
+
+00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:08.839
+and Emacs would be the more trivial way.
+
+00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:10.719
+I felt like I was getting something bonus
+
+00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.959
+by using, um, Emacs server.
+
+00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:17.359
+Somebody has a link to Eduardo's blog,
+
+00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.839
+which I think has been misspelled.
+
+00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.079
+It should be angkwu with no dot there,
+
+00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:27.199
+dot net, sharp sign EEV.
+
+00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:31.519
+So, Eduardo is the author of EEV mode.
+
+00:16:31.520 --> 00:16:33.079
+I found Eduardo's thing.
+
+00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.199
+Oh, this was the question, what is the Leonardo system,
+
+00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.479
+which I just answered.
+
+00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.959
+What is LambdaMOO? How do you use it?
+
+00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:45.559
+It's a mud, comma, object-oriented.
+
+00:16:45.560 --> 00:16:49.319
+So it's a multi-user dungeon kind of classical video game,
+
+00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.799
+still popular, but with extended object-oriented facilities.
+
+00:16:52.800 --> 00:16:57.359
+Companies like Harlequin, which yduJ
+
+00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.319
+and Ken Pitman, for example, were at, I think, in the 90s.
+
+00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:05.319
+Instead of modernly, you'd have Slack web apps or something.
+
+00:17:05.320 --> 00:17:08.079
+People used to have these MOOs and things.
+
+00:17:08.080 --> 00:17:15.519
+Okay, the music that's replaced me is evidently quite nice.
+
+00:17:15.520 --> 00:17:22.119
+Yes, get the hints. Thanks for being here.
+
+00:17:22.120 --> 00:17:29.359
+Well, let's continue this diatribe
+
+00:17:29.360 --> 00:17:33.639
+possibly on the Mastodon or something like that.
+
+00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.999
+We'll do some kind of...
+
+00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:40.519
+Let me thank you one more time for preparing this talk
+
+00:17:40.520 --> 00:17:44.359
+and for all that you do for the Free Software community
+
+00:17:44.360 --> 00:17:47.879
+and especially for Emacs. particularly appreciate you.
+
+00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.439
+Thank you for all you do for the Free Software community
+
+00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.319
+and particularly Emacs, Corwin and Bruce.
+
+00:17:53.320 --> 00:17:56.079
+I'm still waiting for a working demo of Dungeon Mode.
+
+00:17:56.080 --> 00:17:58.559
+My joke that I was setting up and never had a chance for
+
+00:17:58.560 --> 00:17:59.959
+was that I was going to say
+
+00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:03.599
+I wanted my agent to be using Dungeon Mode in Emacs.
+
+00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:05.999
+How's that? Okay, well, we'll work on that.
+
+00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.119
+That could be a project for the two of us in our copious free time.
+
+00:18:10.120 --> 00:18:13.559
+Definitely. Yeah. Okay. I'll let you go.
+
+00:18:13.560 --> 00:18:14.679
+I'm gonna abandon this stream.
+
+00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.039
+All right. I'll end out the recording
+
+00:18:17.040 --> 00:18:24.560
+and thanks to all who participated. Okay. See you later.