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+# Discussion
+
+## Questions and answers
+
+- Q: This is brilliant, thank you! Do you know if PGmacs works with
+ TRAMP? I often use TRAMP multi-hop to access databases - both
+ remotely when accessing via a 'bastion server' and locally when
+ using OCI containers
+ - A: There is no TRAMP support, I'm afraid. PGmacs is directly
+ connecting to the database server over the network. You can set
+ up ssh tunnels, but that would be done separately from Tramp.
+ Thanks :)
+ - \<NullNix\> you can tunnel arbitrary data over ssh
+ - \<NullNix\> ssh subsystems are the thing to look at, I
+ think\... I might look at it
+ - \<NullNix\> (sftp works that way: basically you can put
+ arbitrary progams at the remote end\... like, oh, say,
+ pgsql. transparently to the ssher.)
+ - \<jreicher\> Possibly PGmacs could setup the tunnel itself,
+ using TRAMP?
+ - With docker.el, kubel, etc, it's often possible to for example
+ select a container/pod/whatever that is hosted on a machine
+ you've connected to via TRAMP (such as
+ /podman:\<image\>:/path/), and trigger a terminal/eshell as well
+ as port-forwards and other similar things. It'd be nice to be
+ able to use this tool in a similar way since it would open up
+ the ability to use it with complex connection configurations.
+ Doing SSH tunnels manually is ofc totally fine in practice :)
+- Q: \<Donovan\>Great work! I'm impressed. How did you come up with
+ this brilliant idea?
+ - A: First got the idea by looking at sqlite-mode
+- Q: Is sqlite-mode also capable of all of this functionality (table
+ relations, etc)? If not, will it be possible to abstract out this
+ functionality from pgmacs somehow?
+ - A: I'm not veyr familiar with sqlite-mode but  it looks more
+ basic. There are differences between the sql dialects so it will
+ be difficult to abstract it out.
+- Q: Would it be possible to move it into Emacs tree? Are the
+ maintainers interested in it?
+ - A: Currently its at a very early stage and is being updated
+ regularly. I also have some philosophical reasons to not do it
+ regarding copyright transfer to the FSF.
+- Q: Almost missed this one, so glad I didn't, but this may have been
+ answered already: what do you use for the in-buffer tables? vtable?
+ - A: vtable but "forked" (some changes/improvements, may
+ consider "merging" back with vtable core work)
+- Q:
+ - A:
+
+## Notes
+
+- I have got 270 tables, and it stays there forever "loading"
+ tables, and nothing appears.
+- Thanks for checking it out! You may have an authentication failure,
+ and PGmacs is not very good at showing that in the connect phase.
+ Switch to the \*Messages\* buffer and see whether there's an error
+ message there.
+ - This is happening with me as well. I noticed this error message
+ in Postgres Logs. It works if I open the postgres database.
+ - db-1  \| 2024-12-08 18:58:41.524 UTC \[48\] STATEMENT: 
+ CREATE EXTENSION IF NOT EXISTS vector
+ - db-1  \| 2024-12-08 18:59:13.831 UTC \[50\] ERROR:  could
+ not open extension control file
+ "/usr/share/postgresql/14/extension/vector.control": No
+ such file or directory
+ - In \*Messages\* buffer, this is what I see
+ - pg-bind: Wrong type argument: stringp, 97
+- OK, thanks for this feedback. It looks like your Postgres vector
+ extension is not well set up, but that really shouldn't be causing
+ a complete connection failure. You can comment out the line
+ (pg-vector-setup con) in function pgmacs-open in pgmacs.el and see
+ whether that helps
+ - - Let me try that and report back.
+ - I got this error: pg-do-startup: Process postgres not
+ running: failed with code 111
+ - OK, that means that the network connection failed. There is
+ probably more error information in the backtrace
+ - Ah sorry, had stopped the pg. This time I got the same error
+ - pg-bind: Wrong type argument: stringp, 97
+ - But it didn't try to load vector extensions (from pg logs).
+ - With toggle-debug-on-error, this is the backtrace
+ - [https://gist.github.com/ankitrgadiya/d9ae038489e4f680e3037e2e61584312](https://gist.github.com/ankitrgadiya/d9ae038489e4f680e3037e2e61584312){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+ - OK, thanks for that backtrace. I don't immediately see what
+ is wrong here. There is something strange about that
+ shared_urls table, it seems. Are you using pg-el from the
+ github repo? 
+ - I created the github issue to continue the discussion:
+ [https://github.com/emarsden/pgmacs/issues/9](https://github.com/emarsden/pgmacs/issues/9){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+- - - BTW I'm using the postgres docker image.
+
+- This is amazing! Image inline :o !!
+
+- I'm impressed by the inline images.  Just sprinkle a little elisp
+ and voila.
+
+- A PostGIS point field -\> osm.el integration would be very cool
+- Interesting idea, will look into that.
+- \<sctb\> emarsden: Super slick Emacs/PG hacking and presentation!
+ Eat your heart out, MS Access
+- \<NullNix\> another package I never knew I needed
+- \<alzai\> Very cool, I'm currently using PG on a small project and
+ it's always a pain to leave emacs to do checks in the database.
+- \<NullNix\> I just wish it had existed when I was doing massive db
+ work in the 90s/2000s
+- \<gs-101\> Just installed it, to prevent me from forgetting about
+ it.
+
+\
+
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