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+# Discussion
+
+## Questions and answers
+
+-   Q:\<\_viz\> Q: Is the track-changes item about the org-element
+    parser? \[10:34\]
+    -   A:Yes
+    -   \<Ihor\> Moreover, track-changes has been developed with my
+        input specifically aimed to make sure that it can support
+        org-element use case. See
+        [https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+        /bugreport.cgi?bug=70077
+-   Q: Could you please keep IRC alive? I prefer it to Matrix. Thx.
+    -   A: I am mostly live on IRC from mobile (via Revolution IRC) and
+        should be able to see most of the messages. Except when my
+        mobile phone does not have good internet connection or is
+        discharged
+    -   I got a suggestion to use chat.sr.ht as a bouncer. I will look
+        into it to make the connection more reliable. (It is not bad
+        now, but I do miss messages once in a while).
+-   Q: Is there any plan for adding support for other modalities of
+    notes like handwritten,  audio, etc.? Would that be interesting to
+    the community? It will definitely be useful for me.
+    -   A: Might want to look into jkitchin's repos (possibly via
+        tesseract)
+        -   tesseract + image paste:
+            [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGGAr1AWkTc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGGAr1AWkTc){rel="noreferrer noopener"} 
+		-   John Kitchin \[Youtube\] (2021) scimax - #drawing
+            screenshot, tesseract, pngpaste and ox-clip
+		-   For audio, I do not know much. My bookmarks contain a couple
+            of possibly related items:
+            -   [https://git.sr.ht/\~lxsameer/orion](https://git.sr.ht/~lxsameer/orion){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+            -   [https://github.com/rksm/org-ai?tab=readme-ov-file#setting-up-speech-input\--output](https://github.com/rksm/org-ai?tab=readme-ov-file#setting-up-speech-input--output){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+    -   You can use attachment and images to paste.
+
+    -   \<Ihor\> In terms of actually adding support for hadwritten
+        notes/audio, it is not 100% clear what that support would
+        consitute. Tooling to convert images/sound to text would
+        probably not be appropriate for Org mode. It would be better
+        done as a separate package(s). Then, using such tooling could be
+        supported, but again, it is not clear what such a support would
+        constitute.
+
+    -   \"Would that be interesting to the community?\" Go and ask ;)
+        Just write about your idea in details to the mailing list and
+        you will get feedback. What I can tell is that this topic does
+        not surface frequently as far as I am aware.
+
+-   Q: I spent some time writing a library for myself which involved
+    working with org files. One thing I struggled with was finding a
+    good source of reference code which demonstrated idiomatic usage. Is
+    there/could there be a resource with which to recommend particularly
+    well written codebases for review by others?
+    -   A: Ideally, Org codebase should be such a place. Unfortunately,
+        not every part of Org is a good reference for others (I hope to
+        keep pushing for improvements).
+        -   Decent references could be ox.el, many ob-\* backends, and
+            ox-\* backends. But I cannot suggest something definite
+            without knowing what exactly you tried to do. There are many
+            APIs in Org mode.
+    -   What might be useful is
+        [https://orgmode.org/manual/Hacking.html](https://orgmode.org/manual/Hacking.html){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+        and
+        [https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/index.html](https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/index.html){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+    -   Maybe also
+        [https://alphapapa.github.io/org-almanac/#development](https://alphapapa.github.io/org-almanac/#development){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+
+-   Q: WRT IETF standardization, have you looked at Karl Voits OrgDown? 
+    -   A: Lot of pushback to this idea on the mailing-list.
+        -   A large part of it was about naming
+        -   Some links:
+            -   [https://list.orgmode.org/2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/](https://list.orgmode.org/2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+            -   My followup:
+                [https://list.orgmode.org/87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost/](https://list.orgmode.org/87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost/){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+        -   Despite pushback, Karl\'s idea did align with our IETF idea
+            and with one of the point I make in the presentation about
+            making life easier for non-Emacs apps.
+            -   See
+                [https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/2022-10-17T22-36-38@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/](https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/2022-10-17T22-36-38@devnull.Karl-Voit.at/){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+                -   I will quote Bastien here:
+				-   [https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87fsfl7g01.fsf@bzg.fr/](https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87fsfl7g01.fsf@bzg.fr/){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+                -   What occurred to me while rereading this thread is
+                    that definining a
+                -   syntax for a IETF RFC on an Org mimetype probably
+                    needs to be done not
+                -   just by this Emacs Org-mode community, but by
+                    bringing together other
+                -   \"consumers\" of .org files, from ecosystems outside
+                    of Emacs.
+                -   Such a collective work could lead to define what
+                    subset of the Org
+                -   syntax is useful as the corner-stone for .org files
+                    everywhere - which
+                -   is what you rightfully brought up with \"Orgdown\".
+                -   If successful, such a process could end up in
+                    defining the minimal and
+                -   official \"Org syntax\" while allowing
+                    implementations (like the one for
+                -   Emacs org-mode) to supercharge this syntax if deemed
+                    useful.
+                -   Perhaps TEC is right and we will end up having the
+                    minimal syntax
+                -   being the one we currently use for Org-mode: we\'ll
+                    see.
+-   Q: About a year ago we discussed switching GNU documentation from
+    texinfo to org. Do you still consider this?
+    -   A: We don't want to complicate org syntax to adjust to the
+        texinfo markup.
+    -   ...But we want to keep org's syntax generic so that it can be
+        customized to support the necessary Texinfo constructs
+        -   I detailed my vision in
+            [https://list.orgmode.org/875xwqj4tl.fsf@localhost/](https://list.orgmode.org/875xwqj4tl.fsf@localhost/){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+            -   apart from Texinfo parity, the idea is to help
+                addressing various syntax edge cases by providing
+                aliases to the existing markup elements
+
+## Notes
+
+    \<meain\> Nice to see mobile apps actively being considered when
+talking about\
+                org :D \[10:29\]\
+
+-   \<johnhamelink\> Transient integration in org will be a very welcome
+-                                improvement! Being able to save the
+    transient state on
+-                                org-export would be very nice indeed
+-   \<tarsius\> fun fact: Transient did take some inspiration from
+    Org\'s menus
+    -   \<bzg\_\> tarsius: Oh, I did not know this!
+    -   \<bzg\_\> From which menus exactly, those implemented by Nicolas
+        for the
+    -                exporter?
+    -   \<tarsius\> Not any specific menus but the \"dim unreachable
+        commands, when the
+    -                       user typed an incomplete key sequence\"
+        feature.
+-   \<polezaivsani\> love to hear how folks in emacs real approach
+    project development as social endeavors to a significant degree
+-   \<neil\> Another mobile app that understands org-markdown is
+    ZettelNotes
+    ([https://znotes.thedoc.eu.org/](https://znotes.thedoc.eu.org/){rel="noreferrer noopener"})
+    -   \<Ihor\> It is not the only one missed. For a reason. I did not
+        find source code.
+        -   \<neil\> Ah ok, that is fair.
+-   \<jaafar\>There is a Ruby parser too, in the Guthub renderer
+    -   Right. It is also listed at
+        [https://orgmode.org/tools.html](https://orgmode.org/tools.html){rel="noreferrer noopener"}
+        (alongside with Pandoc)
+-   \<johnhamelink\> As an org user but someone who is not familiar with
+    development
+-                                (and has no context on org\'s direction
+    before Ihor\'s
+-                                stewardship), I\'m really excited about
+    the priorities being
+-                                expressed in this talk :) Thanks
+    \[10:47\]
+-   \<kswiss\> another great (and absolute core to me) app with org-mode
+    support (respectively org files are at the core of it) for iOS
+    devices is: beorg
+    [https://www.beorgapp.com/](https://www.beorgapp.com/){rel="noreferrer noopener"} 
+-   \<johnhamelink\> Really encouraging stuff, thanks :D \[11:02\]
+-   \<vidianos, aquamo4k, stshine\> Thank you yantar92\` 
+-   \<martinl\> Thank you for this wonderful talk!
+-   \<vidianos\> We appreciate all the work being done
+-   \<mjhoy\> really enjoying this talk as a long time user who hasn\'t
+    ever really
+-                   thought about how org mode gets developed (much less
+    contributed)
+-   For audio transcription, I use Speech Note (offline) and copy the
+    text to orgmode
+-   It\'s great to see Carsten, Bastien and Ihor together. I run my life
+    with orgmode, so we owe you guys a lot :)
+-   \<sachac\> I think a huge part of Org Mode is workflow, and that\'s
+    both highly individual and highly social - we learn about what\'s
+    possible by hearing about how other people do things
+
 
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