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 Captioner: mohsen
 
-Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20blee%3A%20About%20Blee%3A%20enveloping%20our%20own%20autonomy%20directed%20digital%20ecosystem%20with%20Emacs)
+<div class="transcript transcript-qanda"><a name="blee-qanda-transcript"></a><h1>Q&A transcript (unedited)</h1>
+
+[[!template text="""Thank you for the talk. I mean, it was a fairly long one and we""" start="00:00:00.983" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""had two very distinct parts, one which dealt with a""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""philosophy of LibreLL software and then the application,""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""obviously, of PySAS. So thank you so much for the""" start="00:00:01.724" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""presentation. Before we get started with the question, and""" start="00:00:13.270" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""for the record, we have about 14 minutes of question time, is""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""there anything that you'd like to add on top of your""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""presentation, something that perhaps would not have fit in""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the actual presentation format? Sure, but prior to that,""" start="00:00:16.291" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""félicitations à tous les Français pour le rouvrir de""" start="00:00:30.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Notre-Dame. Thank you. I'll say thank you because I'm a""" start="00:00:30.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Francophone and I'm also French, but OK.""" start="00:00:41.404" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Yeah, so a few things have come up in various other talks,""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that kind of EmacsConf 2024 talks, that kind of dovetail""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""with what I was saying. One idea was Peter Prevost's""" start="00:00:48.642" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""observation of working with Emacs versus working on Emacs.""" start="00:01:07.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And I'm all for that. So the idea of BLEE is that""" start="00:01:20.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Others can package things, and we are seeing this in the form""" start="00:01:28.303" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""of redistributions. There is Doom, there is Space Max, and""" start="00:01:28.303" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""we are seeing the evolution of Emacs into layers. So there is""" start="00:01:34.248" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the core Emacs, and there are layers on top of it. And Peter""" start="00:01:43.274" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""also mentioned about too much choice, this notion of""" start="00:01:49.239" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Not always too much choice is the right thing to have. And""" start="00:02:03.236" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""packaging Emacs with a layer on top of Debian gives you a""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""platform and an environment where the choices are a lot""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""less. And that is not necessarily a bad thing.""" start="00:02:09.677" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So that was one idea. The other idea or the other theme""" start="00:02:31.209" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""throughout the various talks that we saw was this concept of""" start="00:02:33.750" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""mixing org mode with programming languages and What Babel""" start="00:02:33.750" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""has done is two things. One is it has successfully""" start="00:02:53.191" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""integrated org mode with all kinds of languages. And that""" start="00:02:56.733" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""has happened in the context of literate programming. Um, so""" start="00:03:06.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""a talk coming after mine is literate programming for the""" start="00:03:11.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""21st century, mixing org mode with program languages. And""" start="00:03:11.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""what I am saying is that there is an alternative and that's""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""great, but we should also, uh, consider a traditional""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""programming mixed with org mode and, um, Polymode is key to""" start="00:03:22.077" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that. So those were some of the key concepts that I saw a""" start="00:03:38.803" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""resonance with as the conference went forward. Yeah, and I""" start="00:03:41.645" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""think, if my memory serves me right, we have another talk""" start="00:03:54.485" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""about hyperbole this year, right after this Q&A session.""" start="00:03:54.485" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""And hyperbole, it's not Org Mode, but I'm not sure if you're""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""familiar with it, Mohsen, you might have seen it from""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""various talks last year, but it also tends to have a similar""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""stance than you, with the fact that text should be embedded""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""in programming languages rather than having Org Mode""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""implement, I mean, integrate other languages. And I found""" start="00:04:04.193" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""it funny that we have your talk and this talk which are about""" start="00:04:24.649" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the other direction, which I find very resonating as well.""" start="00:04:24.649" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Right, right, right. So in terms of other things that did not""" start="00:04:33.091" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""fit into my talk is that the several concepts that I""" start="00:04:35.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""introduced, namely""" start="00:04:35.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Dynamic blocks everywhere and Comiga.""" start="00:04:52.370" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I'd be happy to expand on those by sharing your screen in due""" start="00:05:00.835" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""course, whatever is appropriate. Sure, considering the""" start="00:05:00.835" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""time that we have, we only have about 8 minutes 30 and we""" start="00:05:11.084" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""already have about four, five questions actually. I""" start="00:05:11.084" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""suggest we perhaps leave the screen sharing until later if""" start="00:05:18.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""people are interested. I mean this Q&A can last as long as you""" start="00:05:18.810" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""want. That makes perfect sense. OK, cool. So how about we""" start="00:05:23.493" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""focus on the question now and starting with the first one.""" start="00:05:29.362" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""You mentioned that there are two editions, one named at""" start="00:05:33.285" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Westerners and one for worldwide readers. I'm from Brazil.""" start="00:05:33.285" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Which edition would you recommend? It's a Western country,""" start="00:05:40.170" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""but you didn't make the distinction exclusive for the""" start="00:05:41.751" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""second edition. So I thought it would be better to ask.""" start="00:05:41.751" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Right. So definitely, I would say for everybody who is on""" start="00:05:48.248" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""this conference, the international edition is the right""" start="00:05:48.788" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""choice. In this book, I take some aggressive stance against""" start="00:05:48.788" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""intellectual property and I link that specifically to the""" start="00:06:13.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""American culture. So there are pieces in the book where the""" start="00:06:13.954" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""typical American audience may be offended. And if your skin""" start="00:06:21.496" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""is thick enough to deal with what I consider reasonable""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""criticism, then the International Edition is definitely""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the better choice. Right. So yeah, I believe you also""" start="00:06:33.543" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""mentioned it. Pretty much exactly the same thing in your""" start="00:06:52.100" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""talk. So if you need to review, just watch the talk. And I""" start="00:06:55.463" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""think Mohsen also provides extra information about this.""" start="00:06:59.966" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Moving on to the second question. Thank you for this talk.""" start="00:07:03.970" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""How does your perspective interface with work such as Yanis""" start="00:07:07.352" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Varoufakis' Technofeudalism?""" start="00:07:07.352" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I haven't read much of that. I think there is a whole lot of""" start="00:07:14.720" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""global growth and collective understanding towards this""" start="00:07:19.784" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""notion that the direction we are headed in And by that, I mean""" start="00:07:19.784" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""American digital ecosystems""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""are dangerous and that we should revisit""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the entirety of the model and strategy.""" start="00:07:40.785" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""If the person who asked the question has any additional""" start="00:08:03.561" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""information, I'll be happy to hear it. Sure. We'll see if the""" start="00:08:03.561" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""person actually comes back to this. All right. In the""" start="00:08:15.313" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""meantime, moving on to the next question. To what extent do""" start="00:08:19.654" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""you agree that the introduction of proprietary systems in""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""education creates an environment for exploitation whilst""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""at the same time diluting the learning value of the""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""curriculum? My computing education at school amounted to""" start="00:08:22.034" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""learning how to use the Microsoft Office suite, i.e. the""" start="00:08:32.797" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""opposite of lasting open knowledge. Yeah, that's right on""" start="00:08:38.258" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the mark. That's right on the mark. So the idea is that""" start="00:08:41.846" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""teaching and learning should be unrestricted. In the""" start="00:08:44.768" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Muslim tradition and in Iranian tradition, we say that""" start="00:08:55.997" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""passing along the learning is the tax on having learned. So""" start="00:08:55.997" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""absolutely. I think it makes very little sense for the""" start="00:09:12.273" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""proprietary Microsoft software to be used as part of""" start="00:09:15.474" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""education. So the question is right on the mark. Okay,""" start="00:09:15.474" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""great. Let me just take a note of this. All right, moving on to""" start="00:09:33.396" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""the next question. As a specific example of how ownership is""" start="00:09:37.859" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""not something clean, look at the Star Trek Picard series.""" start="00:09:40.320" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""They continuously asked Patrick Stewart to come to do""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""another Star Trek series, but he couldn't because Star Trek""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""changed from what it used to be, at least until they came up""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""with a series that honored what Star Trek used to be. Does""" start="00:09:46.284" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""this intersect? Let me read this for a moment.""" start="00:09:57.832" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Yeah, I am not sure I fully get the point, but. Let me make a""" start="00:10:22.192" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""point about my criticisms of the false movement""" start="00:10:29.281" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""in the presentation and in the book. The idea is that we have""" start="00:10:29.281" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""jumped on the false movement and recognize it as an""" start="00:10:43.726" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""alternative But we haven't looked deeply enough to see if""" start="00:10:43.726" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""our own philosophy and movement have problems. The""" start="00:10:57.033" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""problems that I note is that The first movement does not""" start="00:11:07.645" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""recognize clearly and explicitly that the entirety of the""" start="00:11:12.069" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""intellectual property rights regime is flawed. The second""" start="00:11:12.069" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""piece is that it's only now that we are seeing the FOSS""" start="00:11:29.699" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""movement is broader than the Western world. The third""" start="00:11:29.699" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""problem is that the labels of free software and open source""" start="00:11:44.662" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""are not necessarily correct. The fourth problem is that we""" start="00:11:44.662" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""are not paying enough attention to establishing a""" start="00:11:58.574" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""relationship with society.""" start="00:11:58.574" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""So there's a whole chapter in the book dedicated to this""" start="00:12:12.332" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""topic. What I'm not sure about is if I got the point of the""" start="00:12:12.332" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""question correctly. So again, if the person who asked the""" start="00:12:18.194" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""question could clarify, I'll be happy to further expand.""" start="00:12:25.896" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Okay, considering the time, we only have about one minute to""" start="00:12:37.188" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""ten seconds until we go. So what we're going to do, as we""" start="00:12:37.188" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""usually do, Morsen, is that we're going to move the stream""" start="00:12:41.772" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""onto the next talk. And if you want to take a little bit of time""" start="00:12:41.772" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""in this room to answer the question, I'm putting a link to the""" start="00:12:46.456" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""pad in the BBB chat so you can open it on your end. But as we are""" start="00:12:46.456" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""still live for 15 more seconds, do you have any last words?""" start="00:12:55.484" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Keep up the good work. Those would be my last words, that the""" start="00:13:01.760" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""free software and the open source and Emacs are a very valid""" start="00:13:04.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""strategy for inside of IPR resistance. And thank you, Leo""" start="00:13:04.701" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""and Sasha and the rest of the folks for this wonderful yearly""" start="00:13:21.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""event. Well, thank you so much. And it's always a pleasure to""" start="00:13:21.451" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""have you. And thank you for your thankings. So we'll be""" start="00:13:32.754" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""moving to the next talk in 10 seconds. Mohsen, thank you so""" start="00:13:35.655" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""much. And I'll see you later. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye.""" start="00:13:37.717" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""All right. We are off air. So thank you so much, Mohsen. I'll""" start="00:13:47.663" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""need to get moving to get ready for the next talk. So again,""" start="00:13:49.924" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""feel free to take the time you need to answer the questions.""" start="00:13:52.125" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I'm going to stop sharing my screen because I need to leave.""" start="00:13:54.827" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""But take all the time you need. And when you're finished, you""" start="00:13:57.048" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""can just leave the room. OK. All right, bye-bye. Thank you.""" start="00:13:58.529" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Great. I""" start="00:14:16.143" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""see one more person in the room.""" start="00:14:17.184" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Hi, John.""" start="00:14:27.472" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I was looking at the questions.""" start="00:14:33.922" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""To see if there is more that I can add. So.""" start="00:14:41.428" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""through the regard of societal impacts on ethical,""" start="00:14:52.206" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""philosophical and wider force community. I'm involved in""" start="00:14:52.206" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""politics in my country, my party is very sympathetic to""" start="00:14:57.671" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""force ideas and I have public Do you have any recommendation""" start="00:14:57.671" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""to reading materials designed for such an audience? Um,""" start="00:15:06.260" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""yeah, this is, uh, with regard to the, uh, last question""" start="00:15:12.003" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that's on the etherpad at this moment. Um, so the idea is, um,""" start="00:15:12.003" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""that, uh, my own book would be an excellent resource. I'd""" start="00:15:20.928" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""say, um, And the bibliography in the book contains various""" start="00:15:32.094" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""other pointers that could be quite useful.""" start="00:15:34.950" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I'm reading again.""" start="00:15:53.880" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Yeah.""" start="00:16:08.499" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""Very good. If there are no other questions,""" start="00:16:14.784" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
+[[!template text="""I think I'm going to consider this a day and move on.""" start="00:16:15.665" video="qanda-blee" id="subtitle"]]
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+</div>Questions or comments? Please e-mail [emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org](mailto:emacsconf-org-private@gnu.org?subject=Comment%20for%20EmacsConf%202023%20blee%3A%20About%20Blee%3A%20enveloping%20our%20own%20autonomy%20directed%20digital%20ecosystem%20with%20Emacs)
 
 
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