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+mentally over the next couple of days, but I can assure you
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+that it will be many organizers in the background also
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+working. You'll probably get to see us later on. But for now,
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+without further ado, I want to say hi to Vincent. Hi,
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+Vincent. Hi, thanks for having me. Yeah, and thanks for
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+coming and thanks for presenting. I mean, you didn't decide
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+to go first. It's mostly the time zone for you which decided
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+for you because I believe you are in Japan, correctly. Yeah,
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+exactly. So I'm living there now and it's very late. It's
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+really funny to see everyone saying good morning in the
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+chat. It's always the same for me. So personally, I'm in
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+France. So for me, it's only 3 p.m. For you, it's probably 9 or
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+10 p.m. if I'm correct. Already 11 here, yeah. It's already
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+11, so thank you for staying up so late for us. And how about we
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+just get started with the questions because you've just
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+presented something that is very dear to my heart, which is
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+writing academic paper with Org Mode, which is, for the
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+record, how I got started with Org Roam and stuff like this.
+
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+So, unless you've got anything else to add on top of your
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+presentation that wasn't able to fit in, I suggest we just
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+start taking questions. All right. So yeah, right now I'm
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+reading the question from IRC and also from the pad. So I
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+guess I'm gonna take what's already written there.
+
+NOTE Q: I'd be interested how to start this journey of writing academic papers in Org-Roam when not having used Emacs Org-Mode yet? Thanks!
+
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+So the first one is asking, I'd be interested in how to start this
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+journey to write academic paper in org-roam when not having
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+used Emacs org mode yet. So I saw this one before and I guess it
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+would be possible to do that, to use Org documents only
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+as the way that you are writing papers. Maybe you can
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+just use that as a template that you're going to export.
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+If you are familiar with LaTeX, it's going to be more useful,
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+and maybe more convenient to work with inside of
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+Emacs. But then I'm not 100% sure if that's... How do you say
+
+00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:10.799
+that? Maybe, in my opinion, the benefits of using
+
+00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.679
+org-roam in that setup is that you can link the things. For
+
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+me, I'm using the search function for org-roam to just
+
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+navigate between the files. So that's really some, a good
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+advantage, but like, yeah, that could be, like Leo said in
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+the presentation, that's some, maybe that's something you
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+can start using org-mode with to write papers. So yeah.
+
+NOTE Q: How about connecting Emacs Org-Roam to Zotero? Is that something you have experience with?
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+Second question. So how about connecting Emacs or Roam
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+to Zotero? Is that something that you have experience with?
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+Not at all. Actually, I used briefly Zotero in the past and I
+
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+really didn't like it or didn't really get into that. I don't
+
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+know. But right now,
+
+NOTE Q: Out of curiosity, how do you manage your bibliography? Do you do it from inside Emacs, or using a separate program like Zotero?
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+I don't connect that at all. The question after, out of
+
+00:03:00.320 --> 00:03:03.559
+curiosity, how do you manage your bibliography? Do you do it
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+from inside Emacs or using a separate program, ex: Zotero?
+
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+Because personally, I have struggled to do it from Emacs,
+
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+though I have wanted to for some time. So the way I manage that
+
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+is I just have a couple of .bib files that I edit by hand, where
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+I put the reference when I find them.
+
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+And yeah, I just showed very briefly in the presentation,
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+but the way.
+
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+One of the great thing with the org reference system is that
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+if you have your bibliographic files that are connected to
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+that system, you can just like, you can put the link, the
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+reference to the paper, like click on it from your org note,
+
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+and then you can open the PDF. You can open the DOI link to open
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+the whatever publisher page.
+
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+So no, I don't use Zotero and I just edit bib or bib files by
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+hand in Emacs.
+
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+I was just going to add something because you know
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+org-roam-bibtex is actually one of the packages that I
+
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+developed and I got it working with Zotero because for me it
+
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+was convenient. I was studying humanities and for me it was
+
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+very easy to connect reference taken in my browser with
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+Zotero and just post-processing them a little bit but it is
+
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+possible to make org-roam, org-roam-bibtex and Zotero
+
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+work together. But it's a little bit of an involved process to
+
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+get everything working in Emacs.
+
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+Yeah, for sure. And
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+yeah, I guess the way I'm doing it, I understand the appeal
+
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+for having it integrated in the browser. Maybe
+
+00:05:03.840 --> 00:05:06.279
+that's something I should look up, actually, because right
+
+00:05:06.280 --> 00:05:09.359
+now I just like doing it very much by hand, like going on the
+
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+publisher page and copying the bibtex block and
+
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+just using putting that in my file. Yes, it can be not a very
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+efficient workflow on that side. But after that, you're
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+having the PDF and having it inside the note.
+
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+Yeah, it's great. Yeah. To some extent, it kind of depends on
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+the reference system that is used by the field in which you
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+are or the university in which you're publishing. Because
+
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+sometimes, you know, you're going to have some basic BibTeX
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+file and sometimes you're going to have better BibTeX
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+files. And those are very different metadata that you need
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+to reconcile. And depending on which LaTeX compiler you're
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+using, be it zLaTeX[??], be it regular LaTeX, lualatex, it's
+
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+going to be all different. So it's a whole can of worms that
+
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+I'm not sure we want to be opening now. But if you are
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+interested and if you're not too attached about getting
+
+00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.679
+everything right, it's really easy to get started with
+
+00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.319
+stuff like org-roam-bibtex. It's supposed to get you
+
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+most of the way down to a working setup. And if you need to get
+
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+everything working down to the comma based on your
+
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+reference system, that's going to be a little harder. But
+
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+it's possible. I managed to do it and many people actually
+
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+managed to do it. Okay, anyway, so let's move on to the next
+
+NOTE Q: How do you start a new document?
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+question. All right, so the next question asking how do you
+
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+start a new document? There are a lot of headers you have to
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+set up. Do you use a template? I'm curious if you use your
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+snippets to deal with all of these LaTeX org metacommands.
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+So I don't use a snippets template of any kind for that.
+
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+Probably I should. That's actually a good idea. I'm
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+probably going to look into that. No, the way I do actually is
+
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+I just reuse some previous documents. I copy it, delete all
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+the contents and adjust it until it works the way I like.
+
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+The main issue in general after that step is to make it work
+
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+with the template I receive and Let's say if I have some
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+template that needs to work with another LaTeX compiler,
+
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+I'm probably going to try to copy an existing file that I have
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+that uses the same compiler to save me some work. But yeah,
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+no, I don't use any snippet or something. Probably I should,
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+but I'm just doing it the quick and dirty way to just copy some
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+existing thing.
+
+NOTE Q: What do you think of using citar with org-roam-bibtex?
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+Then what do you think of citar with org-roam-bibtex? It seems
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+that bibtex completion is tied to org-roam-bibtex. I don't
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+know. I never really looked into citar that much. I
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+don't know about that. I don't know either, so I'm not going
+
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+to be able to help on this one.
+
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+Because yeah, the bibtex completion is tied to the overall
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+bibtex. I guess so. So what I'm interpreting, because I do,
+
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+so BibTeX completion is the single motor that drives helm
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+BibTeX and Ivy BibTeX. Perhaps there's another
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+alternative now that is using the Vertico stack for
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+completion. But org-roam-bibtex was interfacing with BibTeX
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+completion to retrieve all the references from a bib file.
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+and I assume citar would be something very similar in a way
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+that it interfaces with a bib file, but I couldn't tell you
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+more. I need to explore a little more and sadly I haven't
+
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+touched any of this stack in like three years, so I'm a little
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+out of touch. I guess this is what comes with leaving
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+academia to go work as a corporate developer. I'm no longer
+
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+so interested in the publishing process, even though I'm
+
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+obviously very appreciative of people who still do, and
+
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+especially people who use
+
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+Yeah, same here. I definitely going to look into the citar
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+package to see what's possible. Maybe can be using in some
+
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+way that is useful for me. Yeah.
+
+NOTE Q: Most academic journals insist that papers are formatted in their own custom LaTeX documentclass.  Does org-roam make it easy to do that?
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+And if I go to the next question, so most academic journal
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+insist that paper are formatted in their own custom LaTeX
+
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+document class. Does org-roam make it easy to do that? The
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+answer is no. That's mostly what I was presenting in the
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+slide.
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+Actually, that's also why I made the presentation, because
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+if someone has a solution, I would gladly take it. No, the way
+
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+I do it is that I have to add a I don't have that on top of my head.
+
+00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:10.599
+plus. Yeah, exactly. So I just make a custom class with the
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+name of the latex template. In general, I think people use
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+00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:19.359
+that to redefine like stuff like section and subsection,
+
+00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:24.279
+but for me, I just, it shows in the slide where I just map the
+
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+section to the same section. I just changed the name of the
+
+00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:33.719
+class. And this way it allows to import the, the CLS and then
+
+00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.079
+the rest is just like putting the tech template that is
+
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+provided either in headers, in LaTeX headers at the top or
+
+00:10:48.520 --> 00:10:56.079
+Yeah, or just on a LaTeX block in the body of the document if
+
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+that's needed, for example, for the acknowledgement.
+
+00:11:02.040 --> 00:11:05.759
+Sometimes they need some different formatting, but no,
+
+00:11:05.760 --> 00:11:09.079
+it's not really easy because it needs to modify some
+
+00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:12.359
+configuration in Unix to do that. Then after that, a little
+
+00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.719
+bit like manually adapt the templates into your org notes.
+
+00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.799
+So that's a little bit some upfront work to do. But once it's
+
+00:11:18.800 --> 00:11:22.159
+done, your notes are going to be exported exactly like the
+
+00:11:22.160 --> 00:11:27.319
+template and you don't have to worry about it. Yeah, it's an
+
+00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:32.679
+interesting topic because the thing about, on one side, you
+
+00:11:32.680 --> 00:11:36.159
+know, you want to have, when you're using LaTeX, it kind of
+
+00:11:36.160 --> 00:11:39.359
+translates into you caring a lot about the document that you
+
+00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.879
+produce. Either you care about how quickly you can turn a
+
+00:11:42.880 --> 00:11:46.719
+plain text document into a very nicely formatted PDF at the
+
+00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:52.239
+end, or, you know, you just care about the output of your
+
+00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.439
+documents, making sure that everything is properly
+
+00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.039
+formatted. We were talking about references just before,
+
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+you know, the formatting rule for references are highly
+
+00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:04.319
+dependent upon the manual that you're using and, you know,
+
+00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.159
+some people really care about this. And what I found in my
+
+00:12:07.160 --> 00:12:09.799
+particular experience, my own personal experience
+
+00:12:09.800 --> 00:12:15.199
+writing for academia, was that I was more in the latter crowd
+
+00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.839
+that really cared about the output format and making sure
+
+00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:20.599
+everything was correct and it's really a struggle to get
+
+00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.519
+everything working especially when you're transpiling
+
+00:12:23.520 --> 00:12:27.199
+from Org Mode documents straight into LaTeX. You're
+
+00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.119
+obviously going to be resorting to a number of hacks to get
+
+00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.439
+everything working like Vincent just mentioned with the
+
+00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:36.519
+class or you're going to end up with many imported files just
+
+00:12:36.520 --> 00:12:39.999
+to get everything working, but really you're fighting
+
+00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.839
+against the tide if you want to get something a little
+
+00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.759
+different from what is shipping with Walmart. Maybe
+
+00:12:45.760 --> 00:12:48.479
+everything has gotten better since I was writing my papers,
+
+00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:53.879
+but generally... Kindly disagree. Yeah, go on. I kindly
+
+00:12:53.880 --> 00:12:57.159
+disagree. I actually, I'm surprised that a lot of template
+
+00:12:57.160 --> 00:13:00.679
+is so complex that you don't just change the document class,
+
+00:13:00.680 --> 00:13:03.359
+but also need to do something else. I'd say it's rather
+
+00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.919
+uncommon. I guess it depends on the area of your search.
+
+00:13:05.920 --> 00:13:12.599
+Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's it. It just needs CLS and
+
+00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:17.559
+that's all. Yeah, but it really depends on, as you said, on
+
+00:13:17.560 --> 00:13:19.639
+the field in which you're publishing. Some fields are a
+
+00:13:19.640 --> 00:13:22.599
+little more lax with their rules. And just the fact that you
+
+00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.479
+can introduce mathematic formulas kind of makes LaTeX the
+
+00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.919
+de facto for publishing math documents. But when you're
+
+00:13:29.920 --> 00:13:33.599
+doing humanities, they're more attached to other kinds of
+
+00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.879
+formatting. So I think things are much better, anyway,
+
+00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:42.919
+since I started five years ago. Oh, yeah. I have heard from
+
+00:13:42.920 --> 00:13:46.639
+humanities people Microsoft Word. Yes. Sadly, that's the
+
+00:13:46.640 --> 00:13:51.879
+format we're fighting against. Yeah. As for document,
+
+00:13:51.880 --> 00:13:57.079
+yeah, for LaTeX classes, it is a customization and it is the
+
+00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.319
+right way to customize this thing, that's all. I'm not sure
+
+00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.999
+why it's a hack. It's not a hack. It's an actual user
+
+00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:08.959
+customization. Right. So, we've got about four more
+
+00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.559
+minutes of question. Vincent, we've got a couple of Yeah. So
+
+00:14:13.560 --> 00:14:15.319
+I've got a little voice talking in my ear telling me that
+
+00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:17.839
+exactly the same thing. So we've got about two more
+
+00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:21.159
+questions. Vincent, do you want to field them? Sure. So, are
+
+NOTE Q: Are you using zotra or org-ref?
+
+00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:27.799
+you using Zotra (sending some link) or org-ref? No, I don't.
+
+00:14:27.800 --> 00:14:31.879
+I've never heard of Zotra, actually. Looking that very
+
+00:14:31.880 --> 00:14:34.639
+briefly. That's something I'm going to have to look into.
+
+00:14:34.640 --> 00:14:38.519
+Apparently, the short for Zotero translator, so that might
+
+00:14:38.520 --> 00:14:41.759
+be something useful for me since I'm not using Zotero yet,
+
+00:14:41.760 --> 00:14:45.119
+maybe trying to combine. But no, I've never really tried
+
+NOTE Q: How much of this is tied to org-roam specifically?
+
+00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:52.519
+these, but I will. Then the last question, how much of this is
+
+00:14:52.520 --> 00:14:59.479
+tied to Org-roam specifically? Not a lot. Actually apart
+
+00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.959
+from the org-roam-bibtex, I think.
+
+00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:11.919
+Maybe I'm mixing up stuff there. But no, not a lot actually.
+
+00:15:11.920 --> 00:15:14.999
+It's just the fact that I'm using that as a in my org-roam
+
+00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:22.159
+system. But apart from that, most of, I mean, actually all of
+
+00:15:22.160 --> 00:15:27.519
+the exports can be done from a normal org-note or any other
+
+00:15:27.520 --> 00:15:31.799
+knowledge management system that you do with org-notes. So
+
+00:15:31.800 --> 00:15:34.119
+no, it's not specifically tied to org-roam, just that
+
+00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:38.399
+that's the way I'm using it. And I'm showing it this way, but
+
+00:15:38.400 --> 00:15:41.759
+yeah, actually the export process can be, can be done with,
+
+00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:49.839
+Yes, specifically tight work room. Yeah, just confirming
+
+00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:54.519
+this, the only way Org Roam intervenes into this process is
+
+00:15:54.520 --> 00:15:57.439
+just referencing
+
+00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.319
+bibliography elements. It just kind of intercedes a little
+
+00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.319
+bit between what Org Roam usually does. But when it comes to
+
+00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:08.759
+the exports to LaTeX and PDF eventually, that's completely
+
+00:16:08.760 --> 00:16:13.279
+deferring to org exports. So, ox-latex and all of this. So,
+
+00:16:13.280 --> 00:16:16.039
+we are not intervening in any way into this transpiling
+
+00:16:16.040 --> 00:16:20.719
+format. One comment. Yeah, I don't know if I imagine it is,
+
+00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:25.759
+but it looked from the slides that it was our graph was it.
+
+00:16:25.760 --> 00:16:35.439
+Sorry, that it was? org-ref, org-ref.
+
+00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:42.719
+Yes. Because it is a link system for citations. Built-in
+
+00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:46.359
+citations, which is, there is a built-in citation system in
+
+00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:50.639
+art mode. It uses, it doesn't use links. It has a special way
+
+00:16:50.640 --> 00:16:57.359
+to cite things. Yeah, because I believe, yeah, go on please,
+
+00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:01.519
+Vincent. No, I just wanted to say, in that case, I'm using the
+
+00:17:01.520 --> 00:17:10.119
+link with the cite command. I'm not using the org-roam link
+
+00:17:10.120 --> 00:17:14.079
+for the reference. I didn't really show that very
+
+00:17:14.080 --> 00:17:17.679
+carefully. But then, yeah, it's a site element that is
+
+00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.639
+exported. So the roam part is just like, you can access the
+
+00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:26.519
+org notes that you have attached to a reference paper. But
+
+00:17:26.520 --> 00:17:31.879
+that's it. Okay, because I was confused by why the
+
+00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:35.919
+bibliography is a link, why style is a link, because it is the
+
+00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:37.239
+approach org-ref uses.
+
+00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:47.839
+Ah, right. Okay, I see. Yeah, the thing is, actually I don't
+
+00:17:47.840 --> 00:17:52.159
+know why, but In my experience, using the org-roam,
+
+00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:57.599
+org-roam-bibtex links doesn't export or doesn't export
+
+00:17:57.600 --> 00:18:01.999
+properly. So like adding them with the org-ref-cite worked
+
+00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:05.359
+better. So that's, that's why I'm using these. If I may
+
+00:18:05.360 --> 00:18:07.439
+interject. If you're using org-ref-cite, you're using
+
+00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.319
+org-ref-for-export, which is slightly different. I'm
+
+00:18:11.320 --> 00:18:14.039
+going to interject very quickly because sadly we are a
+
+00:18:14.040 --> 00:18:15.919
+little pressed for time because we are heading into the next
+
+00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.559
+discussion. So just very quickly, if you want to continue
+
+00:18:18.560 --> 00:18:21.279
+the discussion, the BBB room is available at
+
+00:18:21.280 --> 00:18:24.319
+emacsconf-org. You can go to the talk and get the link to join
+
+00:18:24.320 --> 00:18:27.319
+the BBB. And the stream will be moving on to the next stream in
+
+00:18:27.320 --> 00:18:30.239
+about 5 to 10 seconds. So I'll see you on the other side. And
+
+00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:36.439
+thank you, Vincent. Thank you. All right, sorry for cutting
+
+00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.839
+a little abruptly. It's because we use crontabs to move to
+
+00:18:38.840 --> 00:18:42.519
+the next talk. And sadly, I don't have any leeway on this. So
+
+00:18:42.520 --> 00:18:45.279
+feel free to continue the discussion. I'll be moving on to
+
+00:18:45.280 --> 00:18:48.639
+make sure everything is working. So enjoy the discussion.
+
+00:18:48.640 --> 00:19:00.720
+Thank you very much. Bye-bye.