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+... Org mode and kind of note taking. And that meant that it wasn't
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+too difficult to get started with. But when I started more on
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+the coding side, because I'm a software engineer, you know,
+
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+on the day job. That kind of got me to think that the colors and
+
+00:16.366 --> 00:24.790
+how themes look, how Emacs looks, was affecting. And that's
+
+00:25.331 --> 00:28.973
+how it kind of came to picture. So I could have kind of gone
+
+00:29.073 --> 00:36.917
+into a little bit more coding side of things, but I didn't
+
+00:29.073 --> 00:36.917
+want to stress too much on the talk. So that's why I kind of
+
+00:36.957 --> 00:41.919
+stuck to a very small bits of Org Mode and Elisp. And yeah, I
+
+00:42.319 --> 00:45.321
+think that's how it came about. Yeah, but that's perfectly
+
+00:46.536 --> 00:48.577
+fine. That's one of the chief reasons why we have two tracks
+
+00:49.437 --> 00:52.778
+for Emacs content. We've had those for the last four years, I
+
+00:52.798 --> 00:55.059
+think. It's because we have a general track, which is more
+
+00:55.119 --> 01:05.442
+geared towards people who want a general... well,
+
+00:55.119 --> 01:05.442
+generally people who are highly interested into org mode
+
+00:55.119 --> 01:05.442
+and not necessarily into coding, but just to whet their
+
+00:55.119 --> 01:05.442
+appetite to what can be done. And on the DevTrack, we have,
+
+01:06.082 --> 01:12.986
+well, this year we have talked about Rust and about other
+
+01:06.082 --> 01:12.986
+fancy things that people can do with Emacs. But, you know,
+
+01:13.006 --> 01:15.768
+I'm also a software engineer, you know, we do this all the
+
+01:13.006 --> 01:15.768
+time. Sometimes it's just fine to just chat about colors and
+
+01:15.808 --> 01:21.751
+just the results of what we develop rather than how the
+
+01:15.808 --> 01:21.751
+sausage is made. So that's completely fine too. I'm not sure
+
+NOTE Why colour?
+
+01:23.733 --> 01:32.618
+if you mentioned it in your presentation, but why color, out
+
+01:23.733 --> 01:32.618
+of all the things you could be ricing on your setup, why were
+
+01:23.733 --> 01:32.618
+you so interested about colors? I think it was just that
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+01:34.870 --> 01:41.176
+mainly that I had to do a lot of context switch between
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+01:34.870 --> 01:41.176
+different languages. Elisp is not the one because Elisp is
+
+01:41.576 --> 01:46.600
+something that I would do for Emacs editing. But for day job,
+
+01:47.061 --> 01:52.385
+I had to use mainly Go as I work with Kubernetes quite a bit. So
+
+01:52.525 --> 01:57.109
+Go and also web languages like TypeScript, JavaScript, you
+
+01:58.090 --> 02:13.642
+know, those languages, where I felt that whenever I was
+
+01:58.090 --> 02:13.642
+switching context to a different language, I felt that it's
+
+01:58.090 --> 02:13.642
+kind of annoying to see all the different colors in
+
+01:58.090 --> 02:13.642
+languages like TypeScript, where, you know, VS Code way
+
+01:58.090 --> 02:13.642
+would be very full of colors. which I felt that, okay, like,
+
+02:14.262 --> 02:23.569
+why do I have to have that many different colors on let and
+
+02:14.262 --> 02:23.569
+constant or the keywords where it could be just a white text?
+
+02:23.789 --> 02:25.170
+It didn't have to be that colorful. So that was the bit, the
+
+02:25.890 --> 02:30.373
+most annoying bit when it came to context switching. And I
+
+02:30.974 --> 02:35.197
+felt that that just didn't happen in the Org Mode or writing
+
+02:30.974 --> 02:35.197
+in general. So I had to find a way to make it work, make more
+
+02:36.017 --> 02:41.481
+coding make my coding more kind of friendly to me and that's
+
+02:42.173 --> 02:59.576
+when I thought maybe just the colors are something that's
+
+02:42.173 --> 02:59.576
+bothering me and it actually was the case and that's how I got
+
+02:42.173 --> 02:59.576
+to more into the color kind of journey and got too much into it
+
+02:42.173 --> 02:59.576
+I guess. Right, and was it what eventually motivated you to
+
+NOTE What motivated you to learn Elisp and get into the Emacs core?
+
+03:00.535 --> 03:05.778
+learn Elisp and to get into the Emacs core? Because it's
+
+03:05.798 --> 03:22.406
+funny how you find plenty of people using Emacs in Org Mode
+
+03:05.798 --> 03:22.406
+and then they find something that they take particular
+
+03:05.798 --> 03:22.406
+issue with, for you it's the color, and then they just go all
+
+03:05.798 --> 03:22.406
+in trying to pull the rope as far as they can to try to
+
+03:05.798 --> 03:22.406
+understand as much as possible about what code is managing
+
+03:05.798 --> 03:22.406
+this part of the application. Like for you it was color, for
+
+03:22.786 --> 03:25.047
+me it was the org agenda, I desperately wanted to make Org
+
+03:25.367 --> 03:30.692
+Agenda do something that it wasn't able to do. And five
+
+03:31.433 --> 03:36.318
+years, well, actually, no, 10 years later, I find myself
+
+03:31.433 --> 03:36.318
+hosting Emacs Cons. So, you never know just how far you're
+
+03:36.598 --> 03:39.201
+going to be pulling this rope. So, it's really interesting
+
+03:39.561 --> 03:42.224
+for me that my call was this. But back to the question, is this
+
+03:42.464 --> 03:48.150
+what eventually motivated you to get into Elisp and the core
+
+03:42.464 --> 03:48.150
+of Emacs? I think that the original journey to move to Emacs
+
+03:49.798 --> 04:02.250
+was around keybindings that I got annoyed with with other
+
+03:49.798 --> 04:02.250
+solutions, not just, you know, not speaking of Emacs
+
+03:49.798 --> 04:02.250
+keybinding or anything, like anything in general. The main
+
+04:02.870 --> 04:09.797
+reason was that I used Dovrak keyboard layout, and that
+
+04:02.870 --> 04:09.797
+meant that all the C-c, C-v, C-p, whatever, It just is
+
+04:10.257 --> 04:11.417
+all over the place. So I had to find something that could work
+
+04:11.577 --> 04:14.298
+for me. And Emacs was a solution that allowed me to do
+
+04:14.898 --> 04:17.499
+anything. And that's the kind of the journey that it
+
+04:18.019 --> 04:21.519
+originally started. And from there, started tweaking org
+
+04:21.599 --> 04:28.421
+mode and writing experience to be tuned to my liking. Color
+
+04:29.101 --> 04:33.682
+was another thing that I thought, OK, maybe I could do it
+
+04:29.101 --> 04:33.682
+easily with org mode. And when I started to use more of the
+
+04:34.262 --> 04:37.983
+coding side of things on Emacs, I felt that, okay, that was
+
+04:39.355 --> 04:41.697
+something I needed to solve. So Elisp was always kind of
+
+04:41.877 --> 04:48.022
+just a toolkit that, you know, I knew that it was available. I
+
+04:48.322 --> 04:52.105
+knew that it would be something that I want to be able to use.
+
+04:52.646 --> 04:58.090
+So I think in a way color was a good segue to understand how I
+
+04:52.646 --> 04:58.090
+can kind of work out more of a complex logic with the editor
+
+04:59.136 --> 05:07.220
+without having to write JavaScript or things that I don't
+
+04:59.136 --> 05:07.220
+particularly like. So yeah, I think the journey around the
+
+05:07.440 --> 05:13.583
+functional languages, functional kind of programming was
+
+05:07.440 --> 05:13.583
+always something that I was keen about. And yeah, the whole
+
+05:13.943 --> 05:16.644
+journey kind of made sense for me. And then moving on to the
+
+05:16.984 --> 05:21.246
+color was just one way to get more involved in. So I can
+
+05:21.406 --> 05:27.069
+totally see that this journey kind of making to a little bit
+
+05:21.406 --> 05:27.069
+different angle But yeah, we shall see how that really turns
+
+05:27.669 --> 05:30.972
+out. But for now, I think I'm happy with the color setup. Now I
+
+05:33.514 --> 05:35.095
+can really focus on the coding. Well, that's all good. And
+
+05:37.156 --> 05:44.162
+I'm sure plenty of people listening to you now, you know,
+
+05:37.156 --> 05:44.162
+find this relatable, how they eventually got into
+
+05:37.156 --> 05:44.162
+programming. Like for you, you did say that you were a
+
+05:44.222 --> 05:47.745
+software engineer now. But I found plenty of people,
+
+05:48.705 --> 05:53.469
+especially doing workshops, that just started you know,
+
+05:54.339 --> 06:01.267
+their software engineering journey just with Emacs and
+
+05:54.339 --> 06:01.267
+they just realized they were doing something completely
+
+05:54.339 --> 06:01.267
+different, like I was studying humanities. But then you
+
+06:01.787 --> 00:06:02.687
+touch Emacs and you realize, yeah, this whole programming
+
+06:01.787 --> 06:06.693
+shtick is actually pretty damn cool.
+
+00:06:07.280 --> 00:06:09.399
+And then you find yourself again,
+
+00:06:09.400 --> 00:06:11.039
+five to 10 years later, becoming a software
+
+00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:12.919
+engineer. So yeah, that's all good.
+
+00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:14.519
+So we do have a couple of
+
+00:06:14.520 --> 00:06:18.439
+questions and I'd like to move into them so that I, I mean,
+
+00:06:18.440 --> 00:06:22.439
+people have questions and for me it's okay for me to chat with
+
+00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:25.119
+you but obviously it's better if people ask you the question
+
+00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.679
+themselves. And again, if you want to ask questions to Ryota
+
+00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.079
+directly, feel free to join us on BBB and whenever we're done
+
+00:06:31.080 --> 00:06:33.519
+with the questions on the pad, I'm more than happy
+
+00:06:33.520 --> 00:06:34.444
+to let you ask your questions live.
+
+NOTE Q: Is there any intention to create a library for working with more experimental color spaces? Pulling code out of Hasliberg for this purpose, perhaps?
+
+06:35.982 --> 00:06:37.902
+All right, so starting with the first question,
+
+00:06:37.903 --> 00:06:45.108
+is there any intention to create a library
+
+00:06:37.903 --> 06:45.108
+for working with more experimental color spaces, pulling
+
+06:35.982 --> 06:45.108
+code out of Hasliberg for this purpose, perhaps? Although I
+
+06:45.329 --> 06:46.049
+do not know. Hasliberg, you might? Yeah, Hasliberg. And to
+
+06:49.692 --> 06:50.892
+answer the question, started the journey just for myself
+
+06:52.859 --> 07:04.331
+and I didn't think that it would be actually useful for other
+
+06:52.859 --> 07:04.331
+use cases and this conference talk just came about kind of
+
+06:52.859 --> 07:04.331
+out of sheer luck really. So the idea I think I can definitely
+
+07:04.771 --> 07:14.501
+work it out and I don't think there will be too, the original
+
+07:04.771 --> 07:14.501
+code that I started with was I had to use some color space and I
+
+07:15.931 --> 07:21.595
+started with sRGB and then went to HSL and then went to LCH. So
+
+07:21.996 --> 07:24.678
+I think there has been quite a bit that I learned from it. At
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+07:25.458 --> 07:33.885
+the same time, I may be tempted to actually maybe perhaps
+
+07:25.458 --> 07:33.885
+contribute back to ct.el rather than creating my own. I
+
+07:34.105 --> 07:36.227
+think that would make more sense perhaps.
+
+07:36.607 --> 00:07:39.548
+But for my own kind of taste that I thought
+
+00:07:39.549 --> 00:07:42.891
+that it would be something I can work out in my theme,
+
+00:07:42.892 --> 00:07:44.273
+but I don't have any I think, you know, making a
+
+07:45.813 --> 07:53.975
+library is definitely something that I can think about, but
+
+07:45.813 --> 07:53.975
+perhaps maybe making it too many packages isn't exactly
+
+07:45.813 --> 07:53.975
+what I want. But for my own use case, I think I just wanted to
+
+07:55.175 --> 08:06.317
+have something that just didn't have any external
+
+07:55.175 --> 08:06.317
+dependency so that I can use the vanilla Emacs with my
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+07:55.175 --> 08:06.317
+colors. I think that's how it started, but I'm definitely up
+
+08:06.757 --> 08:11.558
+for it if there is interest about it. Yeah, well, thank you
+
+08:12.622 --> 00:08:13.615
+for this. It's always good to contribute.
+
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+I'm tempted to say
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+that's how they get you. You know, you do something really
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+cool and you share it with people and they have the, you know,
+
+00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.080
+they just ask you, oh, do you have your code online? And you
+
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+realize, no, I haven't pushed it. And then they start
+
+08:28.707 --> 08:30.107
+pressing you on. well, you need to do this, this is amazing
+
+08:30.287 --> 08:33.349
+and you need to share it. You know, I had plenty of people ask
+
+08:33.849 --> 08:41.735
+me to share my dot files when I was tackling the org agenda
+
+08:33.849 --> 08:41.735
+issue that I mentioned earlier. And yeah, eventually when
+
+08:42.575 --> 08:54.243
+you get to publishing your stuff, you also feel great
+
+08:42.575 --> 08:54.243
+because you're putting a little bit of your intelligence
+
+08:42.575 --> 08:54.243
+into the world and it can be the start of the journey for
+
+08:42.575 --> 08:54.243
+someone else. You know, maybe someone will find your
+
+08:54.283 --> 08:59.867
+library at some point and realize, yeah, I wanted to do
+
+08:54.283 --> 08:59.867
+something slightly differently. and then they either
+
+09:00.387 --> 09:10.793
+contribute to a library or they make their own but it's a
+
+09:00.387 --> 09:10.793
+complete journey that starts with just people taking the
+
+09:00.387 --> 09:10.793
+time to publish the content of the brain basically. Yeah,
+
+09:11.894 --> 09:13.354
+that's the power of open source now. It's just how we really
+
+09:13.654 --> 09:21.276
+appreciate the open source culture being cultivated
+
+09:13.654 --> 09:21.276
+throughout so many years. And yeah, this is something that
+
+09:21.736 --> 09:24.337
+I'm definitely keen about. So yeah, open for suggestions.
+
+09:26.618 --> 09:29.298
+And exactly, that's how I started with the journey. And
+
+00:09:29.760 --> 00:09:33.559
+yeah, while this is very experimental and very personal,
+
+00:09:33.560 --> 00:09:38.239
+yeah, I'm not, you know, tied down to one particular way
+
+00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.679
+only. So yeah we'll be open to suggestions like this one
+
+00:09:41.680 --> 00:09:44.839
+which I would definitely think about. Yeah that's amazing
+
+00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.879
+and just to be clear you know this is not a there's no
+
+00:09:46.880 --> 00:09:47.840
+incentive one. I'm not pushing you to publish your library.
+
+09:51.070 --> 09:57.595
+You know it was very personal for you and at the end if you
+
+09:51.070 --> 09:57.595
+believe it might be useful for others it's a nice thing to
+
+09:51.070 --> 09:57.595
+eventually think about publishing it. But just the fact
+
+09:58.056 --> 10:00.117
+that you showed up at EmacsConf... Sorry, I'm
+
+10:01.278 --> 00:10:02.698
+starting to lose my voice on the morning
+
+00:10:02.699 --> 00:10:03.280
+of the first day. That's
+
+10:03.520 --> 00:10:08.559
+not boding well for the two next days. I mean, just one day.
+
+00:10:08.560 --> 00:10:10.079
+But just the
+
+00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.279
+fact that you're showing up at EmacsConf and sharing about
+
+00:10:13.280 --> 00:10:17.119
+all of this, the process, how you got to it eventually, it's
+
+00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:19.439
+also a part of sharing. And I think it's also amazing in its
+
+00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:26.039
+own way. Absolutely. Okay, I'm going to try to read the next
+
+00:10:26.040 --> 00:10:31.719
+question and then try to cough a little bit. So can we have...
+
+00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:36.919
+Oh, sorry, Bala. Sorry. I was the one who asked the question.
+
+00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:40.120
+I thought I could ask it live here rather than... Thank you.
+
+10:40.188 --> 10:41.368
+I'll go cough a little bit. So here I am. Thanks, Ryota, for
+
+10:45.050 --> 10:47.190
+the nice talk. This is great. I loved it. Your attention to
+
+10:49.531 --> 00:10:50.140
+detail was awesome.
+
+NOTE Q: Can we have a dark as well as light theme variations made from your theme?
+
+00:10:51.880 --> 00:10:55.079
+So I was just looking at the code and I was
+
+00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.839
+wondering, do you have a dark and a light theme variation
+
+00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.479
+which can be made from your theme? Or do you have to customize
+
+00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.519
+it every time? That was my question. And thanks for that.
+
+00:11:05.520 --> 00:11:07.640
+Thank you very much. I appreciate your feedback and
+
+00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:15.079
+questions. So to answer the question, the short answer is
+
+00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.639
+that I do have both dark and light themes with some sorts of
+
+00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:22.199
+standard colors that I personally liked. And there were a
+
+00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.719
+few things that I showed in the demo. where I showed, I think,
+
+00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.039
+three different dark theme colors. So light theme is
+
+00:11:30.040 --> 00:11:31.440
+definitely something that I can do.
+
+00:11:31.800 --> 00:11:33.879
+And the idea around Hasliberg theme
+
+00:11:33.880 --> 00:11:36.359
+and just my theming in general was that
+
+00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:39.679
+when I feel like I want to work in dark theme and when I want to
+
+00:11:39.680 --> 00:11:42.440
+work in the standard way, I would just use the standard color.
+
+00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.959
+But when I feel like maybe it's just so cold that I want
+
+00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:49.399
+to have a bit of a warm colors near me, I would use the orange
+
+00:11:49.400 --> 00:11:52.359
+theme, without changing too much of the kind of general
+
+00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.679
+feeling and experience. So that can be said for the light
+
+00:11:55.680 --> 00:11:58.959
+theme as well. So there is something and the kind of
+
+00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:04.919
+customization isn't that difficult to extend. So I do have
+
+00:12:04.920 --> 00:12:09.079
+both dark and light, but primarily I'm just looking at the
+
+00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:10.239
+dark theme as my main driver. But yeah, they are both
+
+00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:13.240
+available. Great. Thank you so much. I will definitely try
+
+00:12:18.208 --> 12:18.865
+your theme out. I'm definitely on the lookout for a nice,
+
+12:19.205 --> 12:22.426
+friendly theme. Thank you very much. As I said, this is a
+
+12:25.388 --> 12:27.429
+personal theme. I'm not sure if it really fits everyone's
+
+12:29.089 --> 12:42.816
+need, but it is one inspiration that I hope that can lead to
+
+12:29.089 --> 12:42.816
+another nice theming that could work for someone
+
+12:29.089 --> 12:42.816
+specifically for some use cases. I don't have to solve
+
+12:42.996 --> 12:44.977
+everyone's problem. Yeah, and I mean, it was sufficient to
+
+12:46.553 --> 12:49.715
+be inspirational to people. I mean, just Bala just
+
+12:49.755 --> 12:58.619
+mentioned it right now, but I'm sure plenty of people who
+
+12:49.755 --> 12:58.619
+watched live, but also people will be watching in the
+
+12:49.755 --> 12:58.619
+future, will have the interest to speak by what you've done.
+
+12:58.699 --> 13:00.040
+So thank you again so much for this. Yep. All right, well, I
+
+13:04.102 --> 13:06.603
+don't see any further questions. So I suggest we move
+
+13:07.083 --> 13:10.525
+towards closure. Ryota, do you have any last words? No, I
+
+13:13.775 --> 13:14.175
+don't. So yeah, thank you very much for attending. And it was
+
+13:16.577 --> 13:18.979
+great fun putting this together. And I really didn't think
+
+13:19.299 --> 13:27.545
+that I would be talking about my personal colors and
+
+13:19.299 --> 13:27.545
+personal favorites, like orange being my favorite color.
+
+13:27.845 --> 13:31.228
+This wouldn't be something that I would say out in any
+
+13:27.845 --> 13:31.228
+conference, to be honest. But it just came out to be. And
+
+13:33.890 --> 13:35.491
+happy that I had a chance. So thank you very much for giving me
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+the opportunity to talk. in this amazing conference and
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+yeah I can't just wait to check out other talks which you know
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+I know that there isn't you know other talks that are
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+happening right now I was actually wanted to to join them and
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+check check that out so I will probably do that right now.
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+Well, sure. Well, I won't hold you any longer then. Thank
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+you. For me, it was just amazing to, you know, generally when
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+you ask someone what their favorite color, you know, they
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+just tell you orange or blue or whatever. They don't go then
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+to chat about 20 minutes about their favorite color and how
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+they tuned their entire editor to work exactly around their
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+favorite colors. So it was inspiring. And I also want to try
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+it out, frankly, because my theme has been utterly bad for
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+the last five years and I need some change into my life. All
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+right. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much,
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+everyone. Cheers. Bye-bye.