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-hello I'm richard stallman
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-founder of the gnu project in 1976 I
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-developed the first
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-Emacs editor with some help from guy
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-steele
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-then shortly after starting to develop
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-the gnu operating system in 1984
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-I wanted an Emacs editor for it
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-so I started writing gnu Emacs in
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-september
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-1984.
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-several years ago we decided to move
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-many of the Emacs list packages outside
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-the core
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-Emacs distribution into a separate
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-package archive that we call the e-max
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-list
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-package arc elpa
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-there were two main reasons for this one
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-is to make the emax distribution smaller
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-so every user wouldn't have to get all
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-the packages
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-and install all the packages and the
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-other reason was to make it possible to
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-release
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-individual packages separately
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-from Emacs releases
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-now at that point somehow we decided to
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-support loading packages from
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-a variety of different Emacs list
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-package archives
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-and ours would be called the gnu elpa
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-but elpa could be any other
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-now I think that naming was a mistake we
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-should have
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-meant we should have decided that elpa
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-referred to our package archive
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-and any other package archive should be
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-called some other name
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-oh well uh this
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-is a mistake I believe because it leads
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-to a lot of confusion it would have been
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-clearer
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-if we had uh used the other naming
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-because the difference between having a
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-package in
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-core Emacs and having it in gnu elpa
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-is purely a practical convenience matter
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-convenience of distribution and
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-convenience of maintenance
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-we wanted to be able to move packages
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-between the two
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-whenever that was convenient so to make
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-that possible
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-we insisted on getting copyright
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-assignments for packages in gnu elpa
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-just the same way we do for packages in
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-core Emacs
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-having the facility for installing
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-packages from package archives
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-led to a tremendous boost in the
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-development and release of emax packages
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-unfortunately there was a problem with
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-the way that was done
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-for the most part the developers of
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-these packages
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-wouldn't even tell us about them they
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-posted them
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-in another package archive where we
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-didn't know about them
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-and where they no attempt was made to
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-try to fit them
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-into Emacs so that they could make sense
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-as parts of the Emacs distribution
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-this led to both moral problems
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-packages that depended on non-free
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-software in order to be usable
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-and technical problems because the
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-developers of those packages didn't
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-coordinate with us
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-about how to make it useful and
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-convenient and clean to have them
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-in Emacs
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-so the idea of non-gdu elpa
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-is an effort to smooth these things
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-out the fundamental plan of
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-non-gnu eopa is that
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-we won't ask for copyright assignments
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-for those packages
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-so we won't be able to put them into
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-core Emacs
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-at least not easily but we will
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-have some control over how we distribute
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-them
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-we can put any package into
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-non-gnu elpa as long as it's free
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-software
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-if we like it we can
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-set up that way for users to get it
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-we could put the package in exactly as
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-it is
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-if there's no problem at all with it
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-we can make an arrangement with the
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-packages developers
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-to work on it with us and maintain it
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-directly for distribution by non-gdu
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-elpa
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-but if they are not interested we can
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-put it in
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-ourselves and if we need to make any
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-changes we can do so
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-so non-gnu elpa
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-is not meant to be just a way
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-that others can distribute their
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-packages
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-it's meant at least in a minimal
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-technical
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-sense to work with gnu Emacs and we'll
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-make changes if necessary so that it
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-works smoothly with
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-Emacs and
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-this means that we're going to maintain
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-it differently
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-from gnu elpa well gnu elpa
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-is hosted in a way that is actually
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-rather inconvenient
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-it is one single git repository
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-and so anybody that has access to write
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-it
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-can write any part of it there are many
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-different packages in there maintained
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-by different people
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-and we have no way to give each one of
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-them access to per own package
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-and not to the others well with non-gnu
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-elpa we plan to fix that the idea is to
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-have
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-a single git repository where you can
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-download various packages from
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-but they won't be maintained there each
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-of those packages will be
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-copied automatically from some other
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-place
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-probably some other repository where
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-the right people have access to work on
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-it
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-and this way we can avoid giving a
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-gigantic number of people
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-access to every part of it
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-so far non-gnu elpa is just a plan
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-we need people to implement the plan
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-so if you would like to help please
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-write to me
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-I think this is a very important step
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-for progress
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-and it's got to be implemented
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-thanks and happy hacking
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