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+hello EmacsConf this is john wigley I'm
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+one of the co-maintainers of Emacs along
+
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+with ellie zoretsky
+
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+and lars ingebrigston and I wanted to
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+give you
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+a technical update on what has been
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+happening
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+with the Emacs in the last year so
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+specifically uh we have a few notes that
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+I've gotten from
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+a call with ellie he's been in charge of
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+directing most of the
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+technical contributions on the mailing
+
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+list and monitoring all the patches
+
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+so I'm more here just as a messenger
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+he says that we have good progress and
+
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+support for cairo
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+this is going to be enabled by default
+
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+and emax 28
+
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+and cairo plus half buzz is going to be
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+the preferred rendering combination
+
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+so cairo support is not new but in the
+
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+past there were a lot of bugs in the
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+code and so it was made experimental
+
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+so most of those bugs have been fixed
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+recently and now it becomes the default
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+and the next major version
+
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+which will enable several good features
+
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+such as color emojis if you're looking
+
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+forward to those
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+xft as a result is deprecated there are
+
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+bugs not getting fixed in that code it
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+doesn't appear to be very well
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+maintained
+
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+it was the most advanced font mac end
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+and emax before cairo became dependable
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+so now that we have a more a better
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+maintained and available solution in
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+cairo we're going to go from that
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+go from xft to that native compilation
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+in lisp
+
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+will also be landing soon it's currently
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+on a branch but there are several people
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+using it
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+they say they're very impressed it does
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+require live gcc
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+jit to be installed for it to work and
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+this means you have to have gcc 10
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+installed
+
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+execution of Emacs lisp with native
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+compilation on
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+is about 2.5 times faster than the
+
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+bytecode
+
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+interpreter we don't yet have any
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+measurements on
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+memory or how it affects resources
+
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+besides cpu so
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+we do look forward to having more
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+numbers and analysis to see what the
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+real impact of that is going to be
+
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+also it may vary in compute advantage
+
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+based on the type of workload that
+
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+you're performing
+
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+a downside to the native compilation at
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+the moment is that it takes a long
+
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+time to compile even when you're doing a
+
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+16 core build of Emacs
+
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+it can still take 15 minutes to compile
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+Emacs
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+and all of its in all of its lisp code
+
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+with this enabled
+
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+also this is going to have to happen on
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+every user's machine
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+because we cannot distribute the native
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+compilation products they are specific
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+to the compo
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+to the processor that you might be
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+running on so
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+the emax distribution will remain much
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+as it is now but if you want to have the
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+benefits of natively compiled
+
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+core lisp files you're going to have to
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+spend that time and have gcc 10
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+available
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+to get that compilation support um
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+the gtk only build is being prepared
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+for merging so what this does is it
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+throws away
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+most of the other tool kits that Emacs
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+was using
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+and relies only on gtk making Emacs
+
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+much more of a gtk application than it
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+has been
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+the main issue here is that we were
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+abusing gtk in some ways that weren't
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+really meant
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+and now we're going to be more of a
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+first club gtk will be more of a first
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+class citizen in the
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+approach and the ways that we use it and
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+and
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+be using it in the ways that the gtk
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+developers intended
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+there is going to be much more support
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+for xt mouse
+
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+so xt mouse allows you to use your mouse
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+inside of a terminal window
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+which you could do before but there were
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+certain aspects such as menus
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+that weren't supported so instead of
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+having kind of partial support for mouse
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+inside of an x term with xt
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+mouse you get full support this is going
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+to allow
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+changes in the way that things can be
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+bound the ways that
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+uh key bindings can the mouse events can
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+be mapped to key bindings while in
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+x terms and um yeah little by little
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+this support is being extended even
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+further
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+so we look forward to seeing that
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+develop in the near term
+
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+once this is merged by the way also then
+
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+Emacs will have mouse support in every
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+one of its available configurations
+
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+which has not been true until now Emacs
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+27 will be soon releasing
+
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+27.2 and the pretest for that should
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+begin sometime soon after Emacs comp is
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+done
+
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+and finally Emacs 28 is going to get
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+better emoji support
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+right now emojis are registered
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+internally within Emacs as symbols
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+which works in some ways but does not
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+support some of the special features
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+of of emojis such as different
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+skin tones for the hand emoji or face
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+emojis
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+in Emacs 28 emojis are going to have
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+their own support within the sequel
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+c code and then this is going to allow
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+those types of variations and other
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+emoji specific font setups so that is
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+everything for Emacs
+
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+in the future I don't have a timeline
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+for you on when 28 will be available
+
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+but 27 is going to keep improving until
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+we're ready to get there
+
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+so have fun with the rest of you max
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+conf and I hope to see you there
+
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+bye