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... Org mode and kind of note taking. And that meant that it wasn't
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too difficult to get started with. But when I started more on
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the coding side, because I'm a software engineer, you know,
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on the day job. That kind of got me to think that the colors and
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how themes look, how Emacs looks, was affecting. And that's
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how it kind of came to picture. So I could have kind of gone
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into a little bit more coding side of things, but I didn't
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want to stress too much on the talk. So that's why I kind of
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stuck to a very small bits of Org Mode and Elisp. And yeah, I
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think that's how it came about. Yeah, but that's perfectly
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fine. That's one of the chief reasons why we have two tracks
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for Emacs content. We've had those for the last four years, I
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think. It's because we have a general track, which is more
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geared towards people who want a general... well,
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generally people who are highly interested into org mode
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and not necessarily into coding, but just to whet their
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appetite to what can be done. And on the DevTrack, we have,
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well, this year we have talked about Rust and about other
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fancy things that people can do with Emacs. But, you know,
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I'm also a software engineer, you know, we do this all the
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time. Sometimes it's just fine to just chat about colors and
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just the results of what we develop rather than how the
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sausage is made. So that's completely fine too. I'm not sure
NOTE Why colour?
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if you mentioned it in your presentation, but why color, out
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of all the things you could be ricing on your setup, why were
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you so interested about colors? I think it was just that
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mainly that I had to do a lot of context switch between
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different languages. Elisp is not the one because Elisp is
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something that I would do for Emacs editing. But for day job,
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I had to use mainly Go as I work with Kubernetes quite a bit. So
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Go and also web languages like TypeScript, JavaScript, you
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know, those languages, where I felt that whenever I was
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switching context to a different language, I felt that it's
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kind of annoying to see all the different colors in
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languages like TypeScript, where, you know, VS Code way
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would be very full of colors. which I felt that, okay, like,
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why do I have to have that many different colors on let and
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constant or the keywords where it could be just a white text?
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It didn't have to be that colorful. So that was the bit, the
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most annoying bit when it came to context switching. And I
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felt that that just didn't happen in the Org Mode or writing
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in general. So I had to find a way to make it work, make more
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coding make my coding more kind of friendly to me and that's
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when I thought maybe just the colors are something that's
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bothering me and it actually was the case and that's how I got
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to more into the color kind of journey and got too much into it
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I guess. Right, and was it what eventually motivated you to
NOTE What motivated you to learn Elisp and get into the Emacs core?
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learn Elisp and to get into the Emacs core? Because it's
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funny how you find plenty of people using Emacs in Org Mode
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and then they find something that they take particular
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issue with, for you it's the color, and then they just go all
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in trying to pull the rope as far as they can to try to
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understand as much as possible about what code is managing
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this part of the application. Like for you it was color, for
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me it was the org agenda, I desperately wanted to make Org
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Agenda do something that it wasn't able to do. And five
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years, well, actually, no, 10 years later, I find myself
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hosting Emacs Cons. So, you never know just how far you're
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going to be pulling this rope. So, it's really interesting
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for me that my call was this. But back to the question, is this
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what eventually motivated you to get into Elisp and the core
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of Emacs? I think that the original journey to move to Emacs
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was around keybindings that I got annoyed with with other
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solutions, not just, you know, not speaking of Emacs
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keybinding or anything, like anything in general. The main
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reason was that I used Dovrak keyboard layout, and that
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meant that all the C-c, C-v, C-p, whatever, It just is
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all over the place. So I had to find something that could work
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for me. And Emacs was a solution that allowed me to do
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anything. And that's the kind of the journey that it
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originally started. And from there, started tweaking org
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mode and writing experience to be tuned to my liking. Color
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was another thing that I thought, OK, maybe I could do it
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easily with org mode. And when I started to use more of the
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coding side of things on Emacs, I felt that, okay, that was
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something I needed to solve. So Elisp was always kind of
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just a toolkit that, you know, I knew that it was available. I
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knew that it would be something that I want to be able to use.
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So I think in a way color was a good segue to understand how I
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can kind of work out more of a complex logic with the editor
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without having to write JavaScript or things that I don't
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particularly like. So yeah, I think the journey around the
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functional languages, functional kind of programming was
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always something that I was keen about. And yeah, the whole
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journey kind of made sense for me. And then moving on to the
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color was just one way to get more involved in. So I can
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totally see that this journey kind of making to a little bit
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different angle But yeah, we shall see how that really turns
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out. But for now, I think I'm happy with the color setup. Now I
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can really focus on the coding. Well, that's all good. And
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I'm sure plenty of people listening to you now, you know,
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find this relatable, how they eventually got into
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programming. Like for you, you did say that you were a
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software engineer now. But I found plenty of people,
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especially doing workshops, that just started you know,
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their software engineering journey just with Emacs and
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they just realized they were doing something completely
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different, like I was studying humanities. But then you
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touch Emacs and you realize, yeah, this whole programming
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shtick is actually pretty damn cool.
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And then you find yourself again,
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five to 10 years later, becoming a software
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engineer. So yeah, that's all good.
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So we do have a couple of
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questions and I'd like to move into them so that I, I mean,
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people have questions and for me it's okay for me to chat with
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you but obviously it's better if people ask you the question
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themselves. And again, if you want to ask questions to Ryota
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directly, feel free to join us on BBB and whenever we're done
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with the questions on the pad, I'm more than happy
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to let you ask your questions live.
NOTE Q: Is there any intention to create a library for working with more experimental color spaces? Pulling code out of Hasliberg for this purpose, perhaps?
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All right, so starting with the first question,
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is there any intention to create a library
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for working with more experimental color spaces, pulling
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code out of Hasliberg for this purpose, perhaps? Although I
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do not know. Hasliberg, you might? Yeah, Hasliberg. And to
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answer the question, started the journey just for myself
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and I didn't think that it would be actually useful for other
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use cases and this conference talk just came about kind of
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out of sheer luck really. So the idea I think I can definitely
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work it out and I don't think there will be too, the original
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code that I started with was I had to use some color space and I
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started with sRGB and then went to HSL and then went to LCH. So
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I think there has been quite a bit that I learned from it. At
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the same time, I may be tempted to actually maybe perhaps
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contribute back to ct.el rather than creating my own. I
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think that would make more sense perhaps.
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But for my own kind of taste that I thought
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that it would be something I can work out in my theme,
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but I don't have any I think, you know, making a
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library is definitely something that I can think about, but
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perhaps maybe making it too many packages isn't exactly
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what I want. But for my own use case, I think I just wanted to
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have something that just didn't have any external
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dependency so that I can use the vanilla Emacs with my
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colors. I think that's how it started, but I'm definitely up
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for it if there is interest about it. Yeah, well, thank you
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for this. It's always good to contribute.
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I'm tempted to say
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that's how they get you. You know, you do something really
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cool and you share it with people and they have the, you know,
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they just ask you, oh, do you have your code online? And you
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realize, no, I haven't pushed it. And then they start
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pressing you on. well, you need to do this, this is amazing
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and you need to share it. You know, I had plenty of people ask
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me to share my dot files when I was tackling the org agenda
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issue that I mentioned earlier. And yeah, eventually when
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you get to publishing your stuff, you also feel great
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because you're putting a little bit of your intelligence
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into the world and it can be the start of the journey for
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someone else. You know, maybe someone will find your
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library at some point and realize, yeah, I wanted to do
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something slightly differently. and then they either
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contribute to a library or they make their own but it's a
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complete journey that starts with just people taking the
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time to publish the content of the brain basically. Yeah,
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that's the power of open source now. It's just how we really
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appreciate the open source culture being cultivated
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throughout so many years. And yeah, this is something that
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I'm definitely keen about. So yeah, open for suggestions.
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And exactly, that's how I started with the journey. And
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yeah, while this is very experimental and very personal,
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yeah, I'm not, you know, tied down to one particular way
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only. So yeah we'll be open to suggestions like this one
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which I would definitely think about. Yeah that's amazing
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and just to be clear you know this is not a there's no
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incentive one. I'm not pushing you to publish your library.
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You know it was very personal for you and at the end if you
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believe it might be useful for others it's a nice thing to
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eventually think about publishing it. But just the fact
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that you showed up at EmacsConf... Sorry, I'm
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starting to lose my voice on the morning
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of the first day. That's
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not boding well for the two next days. I mean, just one day.
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But just the
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fact that you're showing up at EmacsConf and sharing about
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all of this, the process, how you got to it eventually, it's
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also a part of sharing. And I think it's also amazing in its
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own way. Absolutely. Okay, I'm going to try to read the next
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question and then try to cough a little bit. So can we have...
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Oh, sorry, Bala. Sorry. I was the one who asked the question.
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I thought I could ask it live here rather than... Thank you.
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I'll go cough a little bit. So here I am. Thanks, Ryota, for
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the nice talk. This is great. I loved it. Your attention to
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detail was awesome.
NOTE Q: Can we have a dark as well as light theme variations made from your theme?
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So I was just looking at the code and I was
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wondering, do you have a dark and a light theme variation
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which can be made from your theme? Or do you have to customize
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it every time? That was my question. And thanks for that.
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Thank you very much. I appreciate your feedback and
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questions. So to answer the question, the short answer is
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that I do have both dark and light themes with some sorts of
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standard colors that I personally liked. And there were a
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few things that I showed in the demo. where I showed, I think,
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three different dark theme colors. So light theme is
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definitely something that I can do.
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And the idea around Hasliberg theme
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and just my theming in general was that
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when I feel like I want to work in dark theme and when I want to
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work in the standard way, I would just use the standard color.
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But when I feel like maybe it's just so cold that I want
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to have a bit of a warm colors near me, I would use the orange
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theme, without changing too much of the kind of general
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feeling and experience. So that can be said for the light
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theme as well. So there is something and the kind of
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customization isn't that difficult to extend. So I do have
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both dark and light, but primarily I'm just looking at the
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dark theme as my main driver. But yeah, they are both
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available. Great. Thank you so much. I will definitely try
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your theme out. I'm definitely on the lookout for a nice,
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friendly theme. Thank you very much. As I said, this is a
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personal theme. I'm not sure if it really fits everyone's
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need, but it is one inspiration that I hope that can lead to
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another nice theming that could work for someone
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specifically for some use cases. I don't have to solve
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everyone's problem. Yeah, and I mean, it was sufficient to
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be inspirational to people. I mean, just Bala just
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mentioned it right now, but I'm sure plenty of people who
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watched live, but also people will be watching in the
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future, will have the interest to speak by what you've done.
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So thank you again so much for this. Yep. All right, well, I
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don't see any further questions. So I suggest we move
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towards closure. Ryota, do you have any last words? No, I
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don't. So yeah, thank you very much for attending. And it was
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great fun putting this together. And I really didn't think
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that I would be talking about my personal colors and
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personal favorites, like orange being my favorite color.
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This wouldn't be something that I would say out in any
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conference, to be honest. But it just came out to be. And
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happy that I had a chance. So thank you very much for giving me
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the opportunity to talk. in this amazing conference and
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yeah I can't just wait to check out other talks which you know
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I know that there isn't you know other talks that are
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happening right now I was actually wanted to to join them and
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check check that out so I will probably do that right now.
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Well, sure. Well, I won't hold you any longer then. Thank
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you. For me, it was just amazing to, you know, generally when
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you ask someone what their favorite color, you know, they
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just tell you orange or blue or whatever. They don't go then
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to chat about 20 minutes about their favorite color and how
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they tuned their entire editor to work exactly around their
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favorite colors. So it was inspiring. And I also want to try
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it out, frankly, because my theme has been utterly bad for
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the last five years and I need some change into my life. All
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right. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much,
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everyone. Cheers. Bye-bye.
